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Potentially great news....obviously there's a long way to go to getting anything agreed, suitable development plans approved, planning permission granted (objections from local residents???), agreement as to how the stadium would operate, who would own it, what's the deal for the Lions i.e. how much would we be paying to play and hold functions there (now and in the future should the good doctor walk away after a few years).

Don't get me wrong....this is fantastic news for us all but there are a good number of hurdles to be jumped yet. :yahoo:

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Having listened to Dr Koukash at the Legion a while back, he was concerned about the fact Salford couldn't make any revenue from the stadium as they didn't own it. They only see a return when they sell a certain amount of tickets. Is anyone worried about the potential of a ground share with Salford somewhere down the line if this does come off?

The planned capacity, based on what Dr Koukash and Martin Vickers said during the same meeting, is 3,000.

Personally I feel that's a bit on the small side and it would be better to aim for 5,000. However a capacity limited to 3,000 definitely implies the ground will be too small to host Salford matches in Super League.

If I remember correctly, the minimum standard for SL is 8,000. Besides which Salford's gates this season have been hitting arounrd the 7k,000 mark. Dr Koukash wouldn't want to turn 4,000 paying customers away!

What is more likely is the stadium being used for lower tier things, like Salford academy matches and some training. We then enter into the realms of how far that type of thing can go before it starts to undermine the unique identity of Swinton Lions.

However the priority has to be to get the bricks and mortar in place - hopefully to a standard that means it will be around long after Dr Koukash's involvement. Once the ground is actually there, the rest is a changeable feast.

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I think if the stadium does go ahead,yes an initial capacity of about 3000 would suffice but I think given time maybe there would be scope to increase the capacity to 8000,who knows.I think that if the stadium does get built and Swinton do start to do well once again then why not go for Super League one day?an area the size of Manchester(which many say IS the second city and we should be proud of that,go chew grass Birmingham)SHOULD be able to accommodate 2 Super League teams despite having United(my footie team) and the horrible,awful lot from the Emptyhad on our doorstep.I think if the stadium does get built,there will be a lot of hard work required as a generation of fans HAVE been lost and I think that the club will have to offer freebies to under 16s,with a parent or adult in order to attract a new generation of fans.But all in all things may well be looking good for Swinton RLFC once again.

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I think that the area of Salford would benefit greatly from two fierce rival teams in SL.

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Im so excited

I can't believe we are already considering losing our identity

oh yes I can. ..its the Swinton forum

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Having listened to Dr Koukash at the Legion a while back, he was concerned about the fact Salford couldn't make any revenue from the stadium as they didn't own it. They only see a return when they sell a certain amount of tickets. Is anyone worried about the potential of a ground share with Salford somewhere down the line if this does come off?

Well lets get the ground built first and up and running with Swinton Lions back home and worry about anything else at a later date.Let Salford,Sale Sharks,Peel Holdings or whoever else is involved in Barton sort themselves out.

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I hope Dr K isn’t just a publicity junkie . Since his Salford takeover there’s been Owdham, Bratford and the Lions (have i missed anyone?) – is he on a retainer from the RFL to keep the game in the news? He is the supreme cheerleader, tub thumper, mover and shaker after all.

And i can’t believe he does parochial - he wants to hear his name bouncing off the walls of the biggest room possible. If things progress i wouldn’t be surprised if a name change isn’t floated- from Swinton Lions to Manchester Lions.

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It depends on the size of the stadium. It could be a setup like the South Leeds Stadium with one large stand. It will be wonderful to have the Lions back in M27. Maybe name some of the stands or roads appropriately to ensure it really is the home of the Lions!

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For once I am going to be slightly miserable.

 

Lets not forget that Swinton Rugby have some element of  "power" in the proposed developments and its structure and that we do not just role over to have our bellies tickled

 

Without Swinton RFLC (or RLC?) I do not believe there will be a ground so they are pivotal in the proposed development.

 

From the previous meeting the role of the Trust, post any change in ownership of the club, needs to be properly resolved.

 

Dr Koukash was very impressive at the open meeting and could be the saviour of rugby league not just Swinton. At the same time, a business man (albeit with a love of Rugby League and they are like hens teeth).

 

I also understand that Dr Koukash principle is that the club must be able to make money from its "own" ground ....hopefully how it is all legally structured (ownership and rights) is carefully considered to safeguard the future of the club for all our young uns.

 

The club needs to raise income from the ground and not be paying rent to be viable going forward.

 

Over...

 

Onward and upward :onthequiet:

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Lets find something to worry about when the stadium is built and not look for obstacles prior to construction.

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Great news for the club and town, bring it on. :superblue:

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Obviously this is a positive development, and I don't want to sound negative, but we should still exercise a degree of caution. There's a long way to go yet, and the club needs everyone's support more than ever in the meantime. Fingers crossed though.

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The planned capacity, based on what Dr Koukash and Martin Vickers said during the same meeting, is 3,000.

Personally I feel that's a bit on the small side and it would be better to aim for 5,000. However a capacity limited to 3,000 definitely implies the ground will be too small to host Salford matches in Super League.

If I remember correctly, the minimum standard for SL is 8,000. Besides which Salford's gates this season have been hitting arounrd the 7k,000 mark. Dr Koukash wouldn't want to turn 4,000 paying customers away!

What is more likely is the stadium being used for lower tier things, like Salford academy matches and some training. We then enter into the realms of how far that type of thing can go before it starts to undermine the unique identity of Swinton Lions.

However the priority has to be to get the bricks and mortar in place - hopefully to a standard that means it will be around long after Dr Koukash's involvement. Once the ground is actually there, the rest is a changeable feast.

 

Dewsbury's ground capacity is about 3,500 and is a nice sized stadium for clubs at our level. The main thing is, that if it should initially be limited to 3,000, there should be adequate provisions for enlargement should circumstances dictate.

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Yep some local residents are already voicing objections!

 

Who are they? I'll put their windows in!

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Can't blame local residents

Im pretty certain I'd be concerned too

We definitely need these people on side not alienated.

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Well, as a local resident to the site, at least there'll be a few behind it!

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Dewsbury's ground capacity is about 3,500 and is a nice sized stadium for clubs at our level. The main thing is, that if it should initially be limited to 3,000, there should be adequate provisions for enlargement should circumstances dictate.

The case study of Dewsbury demonstrates some of the pitfalls, provided your memory goes back to the Bob McDermott era. Not once but twice the Rams did what was necessary on the pitch to earn a crack at top flight rugby, but on both occasions were refused promotion by the RFL on the grounds that minimum standards had not been met (principally because the stadium wasn't big enough).

Hunslet then suffered the same fate.

P&R is now firmly back on the agenda, and whilst it might seem fanciful today its entirely feasible for a Lions team playing within the town backed by Dr Koukash's finance to be a serious contender at the top of the semi pro ranks within 2 or 3 years.

What happens then? A ground of 3,000 would be a cap on ambition. And to expand the capacity of a stadium after its constructed is far from easy.

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Obviously this is a positive development, and I don't want to sound negative, but we should still exercise a degree of caution. There's a long way to go yet, and the club needs everyone's support more than ever in the meantime. Fingers crossed though.

Wise words "Chairman Wild". I am confident that you and the trust will be looking after the lions and it's supporters. All the more reason why people should join the trust NOW as at an important time in our history we need a voice in matters as they develop.

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Am I right when I say that actual stadium plans are already drawn up? If so, it would be nice to get a peek at them like when artist's impressions were made available a few years back when there was a meeting at Pendlebury Legion.

 

As regards opposition from residents. It would be far better if the main access was via Chorley Road rather than Stanwell Road and Shaftesbury Road thus hopefully reducing human and vehicular traffic in these residential streets. The retention of the existing high wall would probably be advisable. Perhaps there could be access through what is currently the entrance to the old sorting office alongside Swinton Post Office.

 

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The planned capacity, based on what Dr Koukash and Martin Vickers said during the same meeting, is 3,000.

Personally I feel that's a bit on the small side and it would be better to aim for 5,000. However a capacity limited to 3,000 definitely implies the ground will be too small to host Salford matches in Super League.

If I remember correctly, the minimum standard for SL is 8,000. Besides which Salford's gates this season have been hitting arounrd the 7k,000 mark. Dr Koukash wouldn't want to turn 4,000 paying customers away!

What is more likely is the stadium being used for lower tier things, like Salford academy matches and some training. We then enter into the realms of how far that type of thing can go before it starts to undermine the unique identity of Swinton Lions.

However the priority has to be to get the bricks and mortar in place - hopefully to a standard that means it will be around long after Dr Koukash's involvement. Once the ground is actually there, the rest is a changeable feast.

according to the standard I received from Blake Solly SL standard is 12 k.

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....hence why the Council have given Dr K 3 months exclusivity to finalize his plans and convince them and the residents that his plan is a good idea for the town and city as a whole.

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My understanding is that proposed access will be from Chorley Road & all parking will be on site. The Stanwell Road end of the proposed pitch layout will be open with no intrusive structures. But people will inevitably object regardless of the detail of the plans. Hopefully any genuine fears will be met with persuasive arguments. It certainly can't stay as a school playing field forever.

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