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As far as I'm aware we are only playing the set number of 5 dual reg players this season (so far) and do not have the number of players we 'signed' last year. As such we are doing no different than any other team which includes Barrow. Job done!

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As far as I'm aware we are only playing the set number of 5 dual reg players this season (so far) and do not have the number of players we 'signed' last year. As such we are doing no different than any other team which includes Barrow. Job done!

Thankfully from my point of view there are still some teams left in the Championship who are not using Dual Registration to anything like the same extent as the Lions, in the case of the division's best side they aren't using it at all.

In addition to the 5 changeable DR players, so far this year three more from Warrington have joined - Ackers, Peet and most recently Hulme. Not as bad as last season, granted, but still enough to make up half the side if they all play. On the plus side at least the team isn't being picked by a de facto Warrington academy coach.

On a personal level I find it very sad to see Lions supporters taking their team news from the Warrington Guardian prior to a match against another traditional club, in which the majority of points on both sides were scored by Warrington players. The whole thing makes a total mockery of the Championship.

If the club's natural level is in the third tier, the way to improve matters ought to be finding ways to grow income. Granted its much easier to take advantage of rules and circumstances that have given an opportunity for a short-term boost, but at what long-term cost?

Hopefully the day may come that a new ground is actually delivered by Dr Koukash and with it some high quality governance - we can but hope he comes up trumps, and not for the objective of making the Lions a feeder club for Salford.

In the meantime the gates so far indicate that around 300 or so are still prepared to run with it this season and good luck to all, but the prospect of watching 6 tries from 8 being scored by Warrington players isn't for me.

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Well said Steve. You wear the jersey you represent the club - end of. Simply put,the SL players need game time experience outside

SL and championship clubs need this to be the case. Its there for all to use and it benefits all who use it. You would think they

got that. I thought we all stood together? Maybe not all? Only a small mindless minority though, otherwise a fair size decent

Barrow support.

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Philip the top side in the league have money to spend on players we in our current guise don't. The money they have thrown at their squad is the reason they are the top side and also the reason they don't have to draw players from another team. As for you views on the Lions everyone is well aware of them and we really don't need them dragged up time and time again it's getting boring. At the moment we are not in a position to spend willy nilly on players, I know you would like nothing more than to have us field a team with just the contracted players in but we would be drawing from about 21 players and wouldn't be competitive but then again people like yourself would smile a big smile at the thought of us getting hammered every week and relegated just so you can say "told you so". Stick to your own teams forum you aren't a Lions fan and never were.

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Thankfully from my point of view there are still some teams left in the Championship who are not using Dual Registration to anything like the same extent as the Lions, in the case of the division's best side they aren't using it at all.

In addition to the 5 changeable DR players, so far this year three more from Warrington have joined - Ackers, Peet and most recently Hulme. Not as bad as last season, granted, but still enough to make up half the side if they all play. On the plus side at least the team isn't being picked by a de facto Warrington academy coach.

On a personal level I find it very sad to see Lions supporters taking their team news from the Warrington Guardian prior to a match against another traditional club, in which the majority of points on both sides were scored by Warrington players. The whole thing makes a total mockery of the Championship.

If the club's natural level is in the third tier, the way to improve matters ought to be finding ways to grow income. Granted its much easier to take advantage of rules and circumstances that have given an opportunity for a short-term boost, but at what long-term cost?

Hopefully the day may come that a new ground is actually delivered by Dr Koukash and with it some high quality governance - we can but hope he comes up trumps, and not for the objective of making the Lions a feeder club for Salford.

In the meantime the gates so far indicate that around 300 or so are still prepared to run with it this season and good luck to all, but the prospect of watching 6 tries from 8 being scored by Warrington players isn't for me.[/quote

lucky for you that you are in the unique position of being a dual reg fan then]

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Well let's not forget that last season when Leigh were cash strapped they were adamant they wouldn't dual reg but as the season went on low and behold they took Wigan players on dual reg.

At Featherstone the then coach Daryl Powell openly said he was no fan of Dual reg yet he now sends players from Castleford out on dual reg.

It seems until clubs experience differing situation they have to survive using means within the rules, which of course Swinton have done.

Mr Hudson you may not be aware that at the last game of the season one of Swinton's very own players was openly poached with an incentive which Swinton couldn't match but then since you do not follow the Lions home and away you omit these kind of facts from your criticism of the club.

If it upsets you so much best you turn your support to a club who fit your criteria of the perfect club.

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Here we go again Philh, the great pretender. Pretending that he cares for the Lions when his sole aim is to ####stir and cause as much trouble has he can on this forum.The subject of d/r as been done to death we don't need you to keep harping on about it. Your not happy unless you are putting the boot in. Do us all a favour and stay off this forum, you are not and never have been a genuine supporter of the Lions and your views are now becoming farcical. bye, bye.

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Could you imagine what would happen to Phil if Dr K does come in and bring the Lions home and sets up strong links to the community, gets a youth team going etc etc. What would he do? I reckon that would make a good programme quiz question.

my guesses would be as follows

-no under-seat heating in the Jim Valentine stand.

-the under-seat heating was just too hot.

-the electricity being used to power the under-seat heating should be coming from a renewable source.

-the new stadium is far too convenient to travel to for the nomadic Swinton following.

sorry Phil, i understand where you're coming from, but then again, we did last season, on numerous occasions. You don't like DR, you prefer to watch Leigh. Fair play, quality team, quality stadium, great chance of SL 1 in 2 years time. You can probably see where the real Lions fans are coming from though, it's a bit too easy following Leigh right now, isn't it?

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As usual Phillip you post criticism without remedy.

A few months ago we had no team, nowhere to play, no chair, no cash. Nothing. What we did have however was the small number of fans who have stuck with the team for over 20 years, who pulled together, who threw whatever cash they could afford into the pot for an even smaller group of people to go about the business of solving the debt crisis and keeping the heart of this club beating. They did a magnificent job as have the players who didn't take the cash offered from other sides.

We draw strength from where we can and one day we may be able to afford to call all our players our own and perform in a stadium we can call our own. The future may look bright. Until then we have to live in the present and use all the tools at our disposal to keep flying the flag.

As an outsider it must really grate on you to see this. You would have had us die last year by your own admission but whilst being happy to blow the 'Dr Koucash Golden Bugle' you still find the need to carp and criticise under the guise of opinion. Yes you are allowed yours. We all are. But just consider going on your own forum and sharing them as they are not wanted on this one. If you want to continually harp on about how good Leigh are, tell them as it would be very much appreciated and agreed with.

Come the glorious day when we march back into our own stadium for our first game, you will no doubt change your opinion and follow the band. Just do us both a favour and don't sit near me!

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Ps. It's those kinds of comments that make opposition fans assume that we Swinton fans rather enjoy DR, which is far from the truth. We'd much rather have 100% Lions players from 1-17. Right now, the dr works for us in our current situation.

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Also just noticed your reference to is signing Lewis Hulme from Warrington. Didn't he come through the ranks at Widnes? Peet hasn't played a minute of rugby for the Lions yet, due to injury in pre-season. Ackers has signed on a season long loan and performed admirably in his 3-4 appearances.

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Ps. It's those kinds of comments that make opposition fans assume that we Swinton fans rather enjoy DR, which is far from the truth. We'd much rather have 100% Lions players from 1-17. Right now, the dr works for us in our current situation.

And perhaps gives Dr Koukash the belief that Swinton supporters would be content if he replaced the present reliance on Warrington players with an equivalent future reliance on Salford players.

Aside from a hatred of the Partnering concept, my problem is that there is no apparent plan to improve the current situation other than if a takeover happens. i.e. It appears that so far as the current board is concerned, maximising use of dual registration is here to stay as 'survival mode' is as far as the thinking goes. On the other hand some people are asking why gates are poor. To me there's a clear link.

I'm less interested in short term success than I am in backing a club that is grounded in its community and behaves in a manner that is in the best interests of the game's integrity. Lots of questions for Dr Koukash to deliver on, for those aspects. Time will tell.

Leigh of course have had financial problems on lots of occasions, the latest of which led to non other than Swinton Lions taking a few players - not that Alan would care to think back that long!

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I don't even think Red Hall know the rules! According to League Express last week Ackers and Peet are Swinton players and train with us and not Warrington .The ruling is as far as I'm aware 5 DR/Loan players in the 17.I believe next season DR will be reduced to three players which should be better .

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My view on this the topic of DR was and still is that a) it is difficult to retain a squad as I believe players in the squad that are not DR will eventually become disheartened if they are passed over for selection by a DR player, even if they have been playing well, as a result they may leave - reducing the squad - which then makes the team more dependant on DR, B) too many DR players coming and going each week can disrupt the team as was seen last season and c) team selection could be based on the needs of the SL club and not the Championship club, e.g. putting a DR player in to get match fit.

 

Having said all this - what was clearly evident was how well Curry, Williams and Penny linked up on Sunday - which must have come from training in the Warrington squad.

 

Personally I would prefer the old fashioned A teams - but they will never come back...........

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And perhaps gives Dr Koukash the belief that Swinton supporters would be content if he replaced the present reliance on Warrington players with an equivalent future reliance on Salford players.

Aside from a hatred of the Partnering concept, my problem is that there is no apparent plan to improve the current situation other than if a takeover happens. i.e. It appears that so far as the current board is concerned, maximising use of dual registration is here to stay as 'survival mode' is as far as the thinking goes. On the other hand some people are asking why gates are poor. To me there's a clear link.

I'm less interested in short term success than I am in backing a club that is grounded in its community and behaves in a manner that is in the best interests of the game's integrity. Lots of questions for Dr Koukash to deliver on, for those aspects. Time will tell.

Leigh of course have had financial problems on lots of occasions, the latest of which led to non other than Swinton Lions taking a few players - not that Alan would care to think back that long!

Yes and Leigh taking them back in terms of one and also taking one of "our" players from last seasons squad, but again you overlook that fact too.

 

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And perhaps gives Dr Koukash the belief that Swinton supporters would be content if he replaced the present reliance on Warrington players with an equivalent future reliance on Salford players.

Aside from a hatred of the Partnering concept, my problem is that there is no apparent plan to improve the current situation other than if a takeover happens. i.e. It appears that so far as the current board is concerned, maximising use of dual registration is here to stay as 'survival mode' is as far as the thinking goes. On the other hand some people are asking why gates are poor. To me there's a clear link.

I'm less interested in short term success than I am in backing a club that is grounded in its community and behaves in a manner that is in the best interests of the game's integrity. Lots of questions for Dr Koukash to deliver on, for those aspects. Time will tell.

Leigh of course have had financial problems on lots of occasions, the latest of which led to non other than Swinton Lions taking a few players - not that Alan would care to think back that long!

Right now it's easy and convenient to support Leigh. In five years it night be even more convenient to support the Lions. The thing is, it's seeing through the tough times that make a 'supporter' of a club. To say you give your 'support' to Leigh is quite frankly laughable. You go to watch Leigh, yes, support is something completely different which you don't seem to comprehend.

i hope you don't mind, but i ignored everything else you said.

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Mr Hudson...your timing in this issue seems designed purely to cause controversy

Give the new board a chance. They've only been at it fivemminutes. You are using DR to continue your Marshy baiting and it really is getting tedious

You made your position known many times last year and to state it again shows your narcissistic streak off to its finest

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And perhaps gives Dr Koukash the belief that Swinton supporters would be content if he replaced the present reliance on Warrington players with an equivalent future reliance on Salford players.

Aside from a hatred of the Partnering concept, my problem is that there is no apparent plan to improve the current situation other than if a takeover happens. i.e. It appears that so far as the current board is concerned, maximising use of dual registration is here to stay as 'survival mode' is as far as the thinking goes. On the other hand some people are asking why gates are poor. To me there's a clear link.

I'm less interested in short term success than I am in backing a club that is grounded in its community and behaves in a manner that is in the best interests of the game's integrity. Lots of questions for Dr Koukash to deliver on, for those aspects. Time will tell.

Leigh of course have had financial problems on lots of occasions, the latest of which led to non other than Swinton Lions taking a few players - not that Alan would care to think back that long!

So basically you like to sling s##t in the hope that some sticks and you nose is well out of joint because you know nowt and nobody will tell you!

Very sad!

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The point of my original post has been missed. At the end of the game on Sunday, players wearing Swinton colours were subjected to abuse from a section of the away support because of the Warrington connection. So I was simply making the point that as fans I believe we should support all the lads wearing our colours on the field regardless of their background, make them feel welcome, and leave the dual-reg politics to another debate. Having said that it's not a debate that the club wants to shy away from and I intend to express the board's view in our next match programme.

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Yes and Leigh taking them back in terms of one and also taking one of "our" players from last seasons squad, but again you overlook that fact too.

Not overlooking anything Alan. You cannot restrict the right of players to earn the best living they can, its a very demanding sport, careers are short, the part time guys make big sacrifices.

Particularly in these days when contracts beyond a 12 month duration are so rare, it is the natural chain of events that the best players gravitate towards the best money

My first point being that the ebb and flow of financial fortunes has seen plenty of movement both ways between these two clubs over the years, including plenty of occasions when the Lions have attracted players away from Leigh by offering better money.

The second point being that if the goal is to retain the better players sustainably, the answer has to be to grow income. The present board as yet has not outlined any vision for the future of the club that includes feasible ways to achieve that. Heavy reliance on Dual Registration is not going to help increase income, its a tactic to reduce overheads whilst trying to retain a degree of competitiveness on the field that the club cannot naturally afford.

In many ways its remarkable that the club has survived to this point after 22 years of exile and so much blatant mis-management. The fact it has is credit to a number of very hard core supporters. Fair play to them, but the numbers are diminishing all the time and with each passing year the club is becoming less and less viable.

There is a danger of an uber supporter mindset taking over, if people get too wrapped up in the siege mentality. The club needs broader appeal than that if it is going to firstly survive and secondly get back to anywhere near its full potential ever again.

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Good point Steve.  As a Swinton FAN and SUPPORTER I always have, as have every other person who ATTENDS A MATCH.

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The point of my original post has been missed. At the end of the game on Sunday, players wearing Swinton colours were subjected to abuse from a section of the away support because of the Warrington connection. So I was simply making the point that as fans I believe we should support all the lads wearing our colours on the field regardless of their background, make them feel welcome, and leave the dual-reg politics to another debate. Having said that it's not a debate that the club wants to shy away from and I intend to express the board's view in our next match programme.

. Thats fair comment,the Warrington players are only fulfilling their obligations as professional players and following the remit of their parent club.However I can understand the frustrations of the Barrow fans ,I'm sure had the roles been reversed we would have been equally exasperated.

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. Thats fair comment,the Warrington players are only fulfilling their obligations as professional players and following the remit of their parent club.However I can understand the frustrations of the Barrow fans ,I'm sure had the roles been reversed we would have been equally exasperated.

Totally understandable frustrations, tempered though by the fact the majority of Barrow's points were also scored by a Warrington player.

Amply demonstrates the danger of the Championship becoming nothing more than a game of 'Which side can get the most and best quality dual registration players in?'. Not what the competition ought to be all about.

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It was a rubhish match as a result of all this wasn't it?

Oh no both sets of fans were treated to a high intensity competition.

Sick to death of listening to this garbage

Wear the shirt...you are a Lion

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The point of my original post has been missed. At the end of the game on Sunday, players wearing Swinton colours were subjected to abuse from a section of the away support because of the Warrington connection. So I was simply making the point that as fans I believe we should support all the lads wearing our colours on the field regardless of their background, make them feel welcome, and leave the dual-reg politics to another debate. Having said that it's not a debate that the club wants to shy away from and I intend to express the board's view in our next match programme.

The small group of Barrow fans who indulged in the "Warrington" chants as the players left the field were annoying but we should be used to that very tedious approach by opposition fans.  The inital response of the Lions fans was uplifting when chants of "Swinton Swinton" drowned them out.  Unfortunately a couple of our fans then went over the top and started hurling abuse at the Barrow people and one got involved in pushing and shoving which could have turned nasty. Maybe a bit too much drink had been taken but it was unpleasant to witness and not something I want to see Swinton supporters getting involved with.

 

I look forward to the boards view on dual reg in the next programme and supporting the boys in the blue shirts will remain my aim as it always has been.

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