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23/03/14 - Salford Red Devils v Castleford Tigers KO 3pm

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It seems the Gm estimate is about right, still a bloody good turnout. Well done Cas fans.

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Much improved attacking from Salford, Smith didn't have a good game for me giving away two critical pens. Both teams failed to realise Mr Child had his rule book out last night and had been studying it. Cas in particular failed to learn from their mistakes and were lucky not to be on a team warning in the first half.

 

This was the best performance from Salford in a long time, not sure if all the improvement is down to Chase or partly due to the tactics from Long. Think Nobby has bought himself a few extra games. Still a lot of improvement required from Salford

D Powell seems to think Childs doesnt have a rule book and has offered to send him one in post match interview, seems especially interested in the rule about the ball bouncing dead from a kick off resulting in a 20m tap!  Wasnt their to see it to be honest but radio commentaters sounded baffled.

 

From past experience of watching his officiating, you can usually garantee 2 thinks when childs refs:

-  inconsistency, and

- a scrappy game

 

That said sounds like Cas were terrible, good win for Salford, the only worry I would have as a Salford fan, had Webster and Owen not bombed a try a piece and DP started with Webster (instead of inexplicable piting Channing against Sau then changing his mind and subbing him, very odd!) - we may have won despite the performance.

 

Maybe a shot in the arm for Cas cant keep starting so slowly and expect to get away with it every week and should despel any complacancy for the London game (always a banana skin for Cas), considering the short turn around may not be an easy game. 

 

As I predicated Chase was ultimately the deciding factor, sounded dangerous every time he had the ball and even kicked a drop goal (hes useless at them!)

 

Look forward to welcoming Salford to the jungle later in the year and hopefully leveling the score...

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D Powell seems to think Childs doesnt have a rule book and has offered to send him one in post match interview, seems especially interested in the rule about the ball bouncing dead from a kick off resulting in a 20m tap!  Wasnt their to see it to be honest but radio commentaters sounded baffled.

I forgot about that. It was at the opposite end of the ground from where I was so I didn't have the best view. People sat around me seemed to think Meli caught it with one foot over the deadball line. That would be a penalty on halfway though surely.

 

To me, it looked like Meli let it bounce in the field of play then watched it bobble out. Got to admit I wasn't paying full attention at that point but it didn't appear to be anywhere near out on the full, just a Meli brain explosion. Hopefully they'll show it on the SL Show tomorrow to clear it up but probably not.

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Are you talking about from the first kick off? Meli let is slowly bounce out of play, a Cas player slid in, arm between Meli's legs and touched the ball. I thought it was already out, but the Cas player must have touched it before it touched down outside.

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Are you talking about from the first kick off? Meli let is slowly bounce out of play, a Cas player slid in, arm between Meli's legs and touched the ball. I thought it was already out, but the Cas player must have touched it before it touched down outside.

That's the one. Sounds like you had a much better view than me so it looks like the ref probably got it right. 

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What are the linesmen type guys that stay behind the sticks called? He was stood right there anyway and the ref had a quick word with him about it. But yeah, I was in the South stand on the left side so had a pretty good view.

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Are you talking about from the first kick off? Meli let is slowly bounce out of play, a Cas player slid in, arm between Meli's legs and touched the ball. I thought it was already out, but the Cas player must have touched it before it touched down outside.

Some things never change!

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Are you talking about from the first kick off? Meli let is slowly bounce out of play, a Cas player slid in, arm between Meli's legs and touched the ball. I thought it was already out, but the Cas player must have touched it before it touched down outside.

 

Yeah thats the one.  Might be the explanation them.  Sounds like Meli made a right hash of it!

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Powells thoughts on the incident and officiating (only part of an interview, bemons the continual Cas errors which ultimitely cost us the game in the rest of the interview)

 

"The game was temporarily halted midway through the second half when a supporter ran on to the pitch to confront referee James Child, after a number of decisions went against the Tigers throughout the 80 minutes.

Powell joked after the game that he felt like doing exactly the same thing himself.

"I wanted to jump on with the lady to be honest, and have a chat to see what was going on!" Said Powell.

"I thought the decision right at the start of the game was unbelievable. They could not make their minds up, even though the ball had gone dead, and it was a drop-out. It was unbelievable.

"It was inconsistent from our boys, but I thought it was inconsistent by the people officiating the game as well. You know you are going to get that here and there, but I thought we got peppered a little bit today."

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I guess the decision that's most got Powell baffled is the one to sin bin Milner but not award the penalty try, since he tackled the man without the ball just a few feet from the cas line. I mean, I assume that's what he's referring to. However, the thing with referees is that when you watch the game again later, they usually turn out to be right.

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In my experience Childs is a poor ref, however, like I said wasnt at the game so not going to argue specific points. 

 

However, never heard DP critise the ref post game so he clearly wasnt happy, however he rightly points out it was silly mistakes that cost the game.  A specific point was been discussed on the game which DP referred to hence posting the DP quote.

 

In terms of penalty tries thats a whole differant can of worms, but they are only awarded when a try was an absolute certainty in my experience and I suspect the scernario your describing had too variables to have been awarded one (that said havent seen it).

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I don't like to hear coaches criticise the referee, even when they wrap it up in a nice "well we weren't very good today, but...ooh that ref" kind of thing. According to the SL web site, the penalty count was 11 - 11. Is DP complaining about the 11 penalties that went Cas's way?

 

The decision to go for a tap rather than a drop out after the kick off looked wrong to me, but the officials seemed clear on it. The cas player got his hand to it and touched down over the back line, so the decision may have been that he knocked the ball out of play. I'd like to see it again.

 

And, overall, I don't think Mr Childs is any better or any worse than any other referee.

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To be fair DP doesnt comment that Salford had more penalties, he refers to the inconsistency of the ref which is slightly differant.  With the first incident can only assume the Cas player in question has said to Powell he didnt touch it but in the scheme of things a Salford tap 20 rather than a drop out cant be considered a game decider.

 

My personal opinion is that Childs is more inconsistant then other refs this in turn leads to uncertainty for players and I think manifests itself a little in the games he refs not been of a great quality, just my personal opinion and others will differ. I always sigh when I see hes been allocated a Cas game, ultimately because I know its likely to be deterimental to how enjoyable the game is (also think Tony Smith also raised similar critisism to those of DP previously)

 

At the end of the day, even Mr Childs cant be blamed for Cas players making basic errors and dropping the ball...

 

Cas were always going to lose one eventually and how we respond to defeat will define our season, rather than the loss.  Any Cas fan would have taken the start we have had, only concern is that we have really slowed regards scoring points (less than 20 for last two games) which suggests some of our plays have been found out.  Just hope this doesnt halt our momentem, very tough fixture list in April and early May for us.

 

Salford have been underperforming a little, albeit with a a few players out.  Nobby has been watching Cas at Wheldon Road for last couple of games so had obviously targeted this game for a win and with a few players returning and came up with it.  With a few winnable games coming up should be able to build on this win by stringing a few more together in quick succession.

 

We'l see you at Cas in June, for, hopefully a cracking game in the sun.

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The decision to go for a tap rather than a drop out after the kick off looked wrong to me, but the officials seemed clear on it. The cas player got his hand to it and touched down over the back line, so the decision may have been that he knocked the ball out of play. I'd like to see it again.

 

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I'm pretty sure the Cas player got his fingertips to the ball and I'm pretty sure he didn't touch it down. As I saw it it, the ball went dead from his fingertips. The issue for the refs is "Did he touch it?" The in-goal ref seemed to be sure that he did and he was well positioned to see it. Childs took his word for it. As for Meli (it was him, wasn't it?) shepherding the ball out, I don't know what to make of it. Either he was a genius to judge it so well or he was dead lucky. Dead lucky, I think! If the in-goal had been a foot longer, Cas would have got the try.

 

Anyway, well done to the travelling fans. Whether there were 1500 or 2000, it was a good (and noisy) turnout. Rotten journey home on the M60, though. That traffic jam cost me an hour.

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I guess the decision that's most got Powell baffled is the one to sin bin Milner but not award the penalty try, since he tackled the man without the ball just a few feet from the cas line. I mean, I assume that's what he's referring to. However, the thing with referees is that when you watch the game again later, they usually turn out to be right.

From where I was sat Fages would have scored if the cas player hadn't tackled him off the ball as Johnson's pass was going straight to him.

The ref looked completely off his game to myself.

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From where I was sat Fages would have scored if the cas player hadn't tackled him off the ball as Johnson's pass was going straight to him.

The ref looked completely off his game to myself.

 

I agree it looked a certain try, but Theo still had to catch the pass. I was screaming for a penalty try, but I would, wouldn't I? On reflection, I think the ref got that one spot on.

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I'm pretty sure the Cas player got his fingertips to the ball and I'm pretty sure he didn't touch it down. As I saw it it, the ball went dead from his fingertips. The issue for the refs is "Did he touch it?" The in-goal ref seemed to be sure that he did and he was well positioned to see it. Childs took his word for it. As for Meli (it was him, wasn't it?) shepherding the ball out, I don't know what to make of it. Either he was a genius to judge it so well or he was dead lucky. Dead lucky, I think! If the in-goal had been a foot longer, Cas would have got the try.

 

Anyway, well done to the travelling fans. Whether there were 1500 or 2000, it was a good (and noisy) turnout. Rotten journey home on the M60, though. That traffic jam cost me an hour.

The Cas player definitely touched the ball. The question is whether it was already out of play when he touched it. I think it was, but it was marginal to say the least. It's not as if the officials made an obvious blunder with the decision, and it would be interesting to see a video of it. I suspect the officials will turn out to have got it right, because I think they usually do.

 

As for Meli leaving it....Jeez. The Saints fans said he's prone to brainfarts, but his brain must have spent the days before the match eating nothing but Quorn because he had a lot of them, that being the first. If the ball had gone dead without a Salford player touching it, it would have been a drop out wouldn't it? So why did he leave it?

 

Anyway, best game of the season so far. Two teams that threw the ball about and entertained with some great tries scored by both. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

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I agree it looked a certain try, but Theo still had to catch the pass. I was screaming for a penalty try, but I would, wouldn't I? On reflection, I think the ref got that one spot on.

Yeah. I just threw that in because it seemed to be a decision DP didn't complain about. Had Milner not obstructed it was 90% a try because all Theo had to do was catch the ball, run a couple of steps and fall over the line. Unfortunately, there's that 10% doubt, so the ref can't give it. Maybe the rule needs changing so if, in the ref's opinion, there's a "reasonable likelihood" of a try resulting, the penalty try should be awarded.

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Yeah. I just threw that in because it seemed to be a decision DP didn't complain about. Had Milner not obstructed it was 90% a try because all Theo had to do was catch the ball, run a couple of steps and fall over the line. Unfortunately, there's that 10% doubt, so the ref can't give it. Maybe the rule needs changing so if, in the ref's opinion, there's a "reasonable likelihood" of a try resulting, the penalty try should be awarded.

Think the fact that it was a likely try was probably accounted for in the yellow card.

 

Not to be pedantic but you have kind of deafeated you arguement (claiming that DP isnt complaining that the ref got that decision wrong, shortly before stating that the ref got it right as per the rules of the game).

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Think the fact that it was a likely try was probably accounted for in the yellow card.

 

Not to be pedantic but you have kind of deafeated you arguement (claiming that DP isnt complaining that the ref got that decision wrong, shortly before stating that the ref got it right as per the rules of the game).

Nah. My argument is that the officials get most decisions right, but the decisions that people think they get wrong tend only to be those that go against their team.

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Nah. My argument is that the officials get most decisions right, but the decisions that people think they get wrong tend only to be those that go against their team.

Sporting grammar.

WE are a robust and forceful team.

THEY are a bunch of dirty thugs.

HE is blind as a bat and doesn't know the rules.

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Channing cas player concerned in kick off incident has said on twitter he touched it after it went dead and has watched it in slow mo to confirm. Assume thats the basis for DPs comments.

That said if he had to watch it in slow mo can understand it been missed - seems like refs might not have been right on this one!

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Channing cas player concerned in kick off incident has said on twitter he touched it after it went dead and has watched it in slow mo to confirm. Assume thats the basis for DPs comments.

That said if he had to watch it in slow mo can understand it been missed - seems like refs might not have been right on this one!

 

I would accept that. It wasn't a game changer, anyway.

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The problem with slow motion is it is unfair to the ref on the day he makes a split second call and I for one won't complain if those 50/50 calls are wrong. 

 

Powell should accept his team failed to learn from the pens, same as Salford  did (especially Tim Smith). Cas didn't lose the game on the calls mentioned there were too many other things at play. The conditions probably had a bigger say, the cold and changing wind direction.

 

The one thing about Child is he can never be influenced by the big team, he refs equally (even if that's equally bad)

 

as for the pitch invasion, she just ambled on from the corner without anyone trying to stop her. Hope Cas ban her.

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