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Thanks to this thread, over the next week or two I'm going to dig out a couple of DVDs of films I thought I should see, which I bought years ago but have yet to watch. These are Apocalypse Now, Platoon and Raging Bull. And maybe throw in one or two I've seen only once which are Born on the Fourth of July and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Finally, Nothing to Lose for good measure.

Fight club was on itv4 over the weekend. Fantastic film

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Watched the Big Lebowski the other week.  Didn't get what the film was about.  Without John Goodman it'd have been a poor film, but thought he was great in it.  Hated Independence Day, but don't know if anyone really rates it. 

 

Most overrated has to be Star Wars.   If you're between mid 30s and late 40s your opinion of Star Wars tends to be skewed more than anyone outside of that age range.

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The Hobbit - absolute pile of s***

 

Reacher - I have really enjoyed all the Lee Child books and anyone who has read them will know that Tom Cruise is not Jack Reacher. Very disappointed when I found out that he had been cast in that role.

 

Top Gun - quite like the soundtrack but the hype is just too much.

 

The Three 'new' Star Wars Films - utter dross. Not impressed.

 

Saving Private Ryan - Just didn't like it. No idea why it was such a hit.

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Watched the Big Lebowski the other week.  Didn't get what the film was about.  Without John Goodman it'd have been a poor film, but thought he was great in it.  Hated Independence Day, but don't know if anyone really rates it. 

 

Most overrated has to be Star Wars.   If you're between mid 30s and late 40s your opinion of Star Wars tends to be skewed more than anyone outside of that age range.

I like some of the Coen Brothers' films, but 'The Big Lebowski' just doesn't do it for me. I find it dull and mean-spirited. 'Millers Crossing' (superb) or 'Raising Arizona' (pure daft fun), for instance, I really enjoyed.

 

'Star Wars' may be a generational thing. When it came out, it was just eyepoppingly spectacular, especially if you were a kid at the time. Younger or older viewers may not get that buzz.

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Saving Private Ryan - Just didn't like it. No idea why it was such a hit.

a fine example of Style ( well CGI special effects) over substance.

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Having sat through The Spy Who Loved Me yesterday I'm going to take issue on this. Bond is quite simple to break down -

 

Sean Connery was brilliant, as were the films. George Lazenby was poor but the film is better than you expect. Roger Moore was awful and the films just as bad. Timothy Dalton had potential but the films themselves weren't great. Pierce Brosnan started well with Goldeneye but went downhill very fast (an invisible car!) and became little more than one long advertising vehicle. Daniel Craig is very, very good. Not only does he carry the physical side of it, just like the books, but he's also a top notch actor. Casino Royale is a great Bond movie, the second one has good ideas but is patchy due to the writers strike, and Skyfall is everything a Bond movie needs to be. It also has the delightful Naomie Harris.

 

Surely you meant "Sean Connery was brilliant, as were the films, except Diamonds are Forever, which is a bit rubbish"?

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Blade Runner.

 

 

you sir are to be hunted down and shot like the dog you are

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Mutiny on the Buses, although Pat Coombes' cameo was faultless.

Argo, this in part to me being genuinely dyslexic and thinking the film was about 1970s football hooliganism.

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Having sat through The Spy Who Loved Me yesterday I'm going to take issue on this. Bond is quite simple to break down -

 

Sean Connery was brilliant, as were the films. George Lazenby was poor but the film is better than you expect. Roger Moore was awful and the films just as bad. Timothy Dalton had potential but the films themselves weren't great. Pierce Brosnan started well with Goldeneye but went downhill very fast (an invisible car!) and became little more than one long advertising vehicle. Daniel Craig is very, very good. Not only does he carry the physical side of it, just like the books, but he's also a top notch actor. Casino Royale is a great Bond movie, the second one has good ideas but is patchy due to the writers strike, and Skyfall is everything a Bond movie needs to be. It also has the delightful Naomie Harris.

 

Skyfall is an absolute rotten stinker of a film.  

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Mutiny on the Buses, although Pat Coombes' cameo was faultless.

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Oh no, I remember Gielgood, Burton, O'Toole and Bennett, commenting on how Reg Varney could hold a line and envied his screen presence.

In fact Gielgood was very disappointed not to get the role of Blakey.

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Having sat through The Spy Who Loved Me yesterday I'm going to take issue on this. Bond is quite simple to break down -

 

Sean Connery was brilliant, as were the films. George Lazenby was poor but the film is better than you expect. Roger Moore was awful and the films just as bad. Timothy Dalton had potential but the films themselves weren't great. Pierce Brosnan started well with Goldeneye but went downhill very fast (an invisible car!) and became little more than one long advertising vehicle. Daniel Craig is very, very good. Not only does he carry the physical side of it, just like the books, but he's also a top notch actor. Casino Royale is a great Bond movie, the second one has good ideas but is patchy due to the writers strike, and Skyfall is everything a Bond movie needs to be. It also has the delightful Naomie Harris.

Just me who's favourite Bond films are 1970's Moore films then?  The Spy Who Loved Me, The Man With the Golden Gun, Live And Let Die, all great Bond films.

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Skyfall is an absolute rotten stinker of a film.

I'll give you a ten second head start. Go....

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Just me who's favourite Bond films are 1970's Moore films then?  The Spy Who Loved Me, The Man With the Golden Gun, Live And Let Die, all great Bond films.

The nods, the winks, the awful one liners? Roger Moore was the worst Bond by some distance.

Gerorge Lazenby is a poor actor but at least he doesn't ham it up like Panto season in Prestatyn.

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The nods, the winks, the awful one liners? Roger Moore was the worst Bond by some distance...

...ham[ing] it up like Panto season in Prestatyn.

I can't stand any of 'em, but wasn't that the point?

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Just me who's favourite Bond films are 1970's Moore films then?  The Spy Who Loved Me, The Man With the Golden Gun, Live And Let Die, all great Bond films.

Moore's lighter take on Bond wasn't for everyone, but the better films were a lot of fun, yes.

 

On the other hand, Octopussy? Moonraker? Urgh.

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Just me who's favourite Bond films are 1970's Moore films then?  The Spy Who Loved Me, The Man With the Golden Gun, Live And Let Die, all great Bond films.

 

No, they're my favourite as well.

 

The nods, the winks, the awful one liners? Roger Moore was the worst Bond by some distance.

Gerorge Lazenby is a poor actor but at least he doesn't ham it up like Panto season in Prestatyn.

 

He was just treating them with the gravitas they deserved rather that than take the whole daft thing seriously. :D

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Anything by, or trying to be like Jerry Bruckheimer. Awful, awful films that always follow the same formula:

 

Start with a big set piece action scene.

Introduce our 'hero' where we learn of his troubled/maverick personality. 

Meet the villain/nemesis (who will almost certainly be played by a British actor so we are in no doubt who the baddie is).

Meet the love interest. More action set pieces. Repeat to fade. Zzzzzzzz 

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Compared to modern high-budget television series, most Hollywood and British films are overrated. Even ten years ago, no Hollywood action film could compare with what is presented by Game of Thrones or Band of Brothers.

 

This obviously doesn't apply to foreign language films, which reflect the different mindsets of non-Anglo/American cultures. There are forty bad US films for one bad French film.

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'Nude nuns with big guns', definitely lost something in post production.

 

and as for that other blockbuster,  'Titanic' - what a stinker. 

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Moore's lighter take on Bond wasn't for everyone, but the better films were a lot of fun, yes.

 

On the other hand, Octopussy? Moonraker? Urgh.

 

Moonraker really is a ###### take too far and Octopussy is atrocious, he brought it back a bit with A View to a Kill if you could ignore the fact that he was REALLY old by that stage.

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Moonraker really is a ###### take too far and Octopussy is atrocious, he brought it back a bit with A View to a Kill if you could ignore the fact that he was REALLY old by that stage.

Talking of being too old for the part, 'Never say never again', the off-franchise Bond film with a returning Sean Connery is truly awful too. 

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That was on the other night. I was channel surfing and the title caught my eye. Possibly not one for the religiously minded folk....still a lot better than Titanic!!!!

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Daniel Craig is an excellent actor, but something about his Bond films just isn't clicking with me.

 

They're overwritten.

 

There's a fashion, in the US particularly, for giving characters a "backstory" and when they can't be bothered thinking up a decent character they just make the character an alcoholic.    When I'm watching a US drama the moment a character reveals that they are "in the program" and need to go to "a meeting" my heart sinks because I know it's going to be toilet from there on in.

 

In Skyfall Bond was having a midlife crisis FFS.  How can that possibly be right?

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IMO you can only say films are "overrated" if they win prizes and are poor.

If films are low budget, or end up being cult classics, they can't be really overrated. If you don't like Withnail and I, well, it wasn't meant to be loved by critics or mass audiences so no real surprise there. I thought it was great. If mass audiences love American Pie, well, look down your nose at them by all means but I doubt the makers of that fine franchise were targetting the Oscars.

Back to my definition - the winners for me are Titanic, Lord of the Rings and, by a country mile, American Beauty.

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