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About to be played on Radio Manchester interviews with 2 outspoken chairmen having a go at the RFL.

 

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Ralph Rimmer now on live phoning in to reply on behalf of the RFL.

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Any chance of someone doing a nice summary of the main points?!

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Dr. K says game hasn't moved on in 10 years, need to change the people at the top to get fresh ideas and a better direction for the sport.

 

IL said that committing to an 8 year TV deal in this current media climate, especially when you only see the benefits in 3-4 years is silly.

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Those who listened will have heard my text argument with Jack and Phil Kinsella, but I really didn't think Koukash said a great deal at all beyond 'change is needed, I want more money in the game'. Well we all do, but I'm not hearing much about how we do. Lenegan landed a full house on Koukash Bingo: we need more like him in the game, he's shaken things up and is a breath of fresh air.

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I think many agree changes need to happen at the top. But who exactly does Dr Koukash etc want to put in to replace the likes of Wood and Rimmer? And a number of problems within the game are due to the people who run the clubs thinking short term and make the votes. That is something that Dr Koukash doesnt seem to have understood yet. The clubs have a lot of power and are as much to blame as the people Koukash wants out

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I think many agree changes need to happen at the top. But who exactly does Dr Koukash etc want to put in to replace the likes of Wood and Rimmer? And a number of problems within the game are due to the people who run the clubs thinking short term and make the votes. That is something that Dr Koukash doesnt seem to have understood yet. The clubs have a lot of power and are as much to blame as the people Koukash wants out

 

But on the TV deal the chairmen were only given 2 hours by Woods to consider the deal. He was forcing their hand.

 

Woods knew that clubs with poor finances would just say yes, with no consideration for the game as a whole.

 

Also they were asked individually and not allowed to get together to discuss it.

 

Lenigan said also that the new structure would actually mean Wigan made more money but he was still dead set against it.

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I think many agree changes need to happen at the top. But who exactly does Dr Koukash etc want to put in to replace the likes of Wood and Rimmer? And a number of problems within the game are due to the people who run the clubs thinking short term and make the votes. That is something that Dr Koukash doesnt seem to have understood yet. The clubs have a lot of power and are as much to blame as the people Koukash wants out

Don't forget that Dr K has just had to fork out a grand in fines because Nigel Wood won't tolerate people expressing an opinion contrary to the corporate speil, especially if an f bomb is dropped into the mix.  So I would imagine we won't be hearing/reading anymore interesting stuff from Dr K.  He's certainly been very quiet on Twitter since his fine.

 

What a shame.  I think he's been great news for rugby league.

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Lenigan said also that the new structure would actually mean Wigan made more money but he was still dead set against it.

 

In terms of the new structure and the first KPMG "Jeopardy" series of relegation battles to see which two go down, before this weekends games Wakey, HKR and Les Cats had amassed 5 competition points between them. Time for the fans to rally to three "meaningful games"

 

HKR a four pointer and Wakey and the other "Cats" home games, to perhaps snatch a valuable win?

 

All three games attendances down on last years. Total to date from 14 "jeopardy" matches this year, are averaging 5383. Last year they averaged 6418.

 

I think KPMG/RFL should be told....

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In terms of the new structure and the first KPMG "Jeopardy" series of relegation battles to see which two go down, before this weekends games Wakey, HKR and Les Cats had amassed 5 competition points between them. Time for the fans to rally to three "meaningful games"

 

HKR a four pointer and Wakey and the other "Cats" home games, to perhaps snatch a valuable win?

 

All three games attendances down on last years. Total to date from 14 "jeopardy" matches this year, are averaging 5383. Last year they averaged 6418.

 

I think KPMG/RFL should be told....

 

Interesting stats.

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In terms of the new structure and the first KPMG "Jeopardy" series of relegation battles to see which two go down, before this weekends games Wakey, HKR and Les Cats had amassed 5 competition points between them. Time for the fans to rally to three "meaningful games"

 

HKR a four pointer and Wakey and the other "Cats" home games, to perhaps snatch a valuable win?

 

All three games attendances down on last years. Total to date from 14 "jeopardy" matches this year, are averaging 5383. Last year they averaged 6418.

 

I think KPMG/RFL should be told....

What kind of crazy fixture planning had FC and KR at home on the same day.

The same goes for Haven and Town Are they deliberately trying to drive attendances down.

Decent attendance at Doncaster though for a top of the table clash given the poor attendances at the Keepmote last year.

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What kind of crazy fixture planning had FC and KR at home on the same day.

The same goes for Haven and Town Are they deliberately trying to drive attendances down.

Decent attendance at Doncaster though for a top of the table clash given the poor attendances at the Keepmote last year.

 

 We ar constantly told black and white will never watch red and white and vice verse, so it doesn't matter.

 

Equally all the Wakefield MBC teams could play on the same day and it won't affect any attendance by one.

 

Unless someone is telling lies.

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But on the TV deal the chairmen were only given 2 hours by Woods to consider the deal. He was forcing their hand.

 

Woods knew that clubs with poor finances would just say yes, with no consideration for the game as a whole.

 

Also they were asked individually and not allowed to get together to discuss it.

 

Lenigan said also that the new structure would actually mean Wigan made more money but he was still dead set against it.

this two hour to make your mind up is rubbish, clubs have had week to decide if they wanted the deal or not.

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this two hour to make your mind up is rubbish, clubs have had week to decide if they wanted the deal or not.

 

That's not what has been quoted.

 

I'll bow if you find different quotes.

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We ar constantly told black and white will never watch red and white and vice verse, so it doesn't matter.

 

Equally all the Wakefield MBC teams could play on the same day and it won't affect any attendance by one.

 

Unless someone is telling lies.

I can only speak for myself but if I lived in Hull or West Cumbria or Calderdale and my team of choice was at a venue far away and my finances or other factors prevented me from travelling, I would go to one of these neighbouring games and so contribute to the attendance. I would do the same thing as regards Wigan and Leigh also.

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I can only speak for myself but if I lived in Hull or West Cumbria or Calderdale and my team of choice was at a venue far away and my finances or other factors prevented me from travelling, I would go to one of these neighbouring games and so contribute to the attendance. I would do the same thing as regards Wigan and Leigh also.

 

But that is not we are told.

 

So as Keighley supporter if your closest home game was Bradford you would go and watch Bradford?

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But that is not we are told.

 

So as Keighley supporter if your closest home game was Bradford you would go and watch Bradford?

Only this season to watch them crash and burn. The situation for me here is different as I am of the opinion that the Bulls actively colluded to deny Keighley a SL place at the birth of SL and almost destroyed the Keighley club in the process. Some wounds are just too deep.

I did though, at one point, live in Thorne and was a Dons supporter. If they were in Cumbria of deepest Lancashire, I would take myself off to Cas if they were at home.

I do have knowledge though of a group of friends who lived in Bingley, roughly equi distant from Keighley and Bradford who split their time between the two clubs as the two were rarely both home at the same time.

I have a cousin who lived in Cutsyke who used to split his games between Fev and Cas.

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But on the TV deal the chairmen were only given 2 hours by Woods to consider the deal. He was forcing their hand.

 

Woods knew that clubs with poor finances would just say yes, with no consideration for the game as a whole.

 

Also they were asked individually and not allowed to get together to discuss it.

 

Lenigan said also that the new structure would actually mean Wigan made more money but he was still dead set against it.

Was the cutting of the U20s voted for by the clubs? Was the poor management that saw difficulties at Wakefield, Halifax, Bradford, London, Castleford, Salford, Swinton, Widnes Keighley etc since 2000 the fault of the RFL? I am far from a fan of the RFL especially Wood and Rimmer but many of the problems within the game are the fault or result of the clubs, who often have voted for things thinking of only short term and themselves. Its OK people saying get rid of Wood, Rimmer etc at the RFL. But the clubs will still have the power to vote things through and keep making dumb decisions. The RFL needs a change with fresh ideas as the good Doctor says. But you need to change the system as much as the people for me. You cant just point the finger of blame at the RFL and certain people. For me the clubs and how they have so much power is as much to blame for the way things are. The clubs have lied and wasted millions of pounds from Sky. The clubs were happy to bring in licences and have voted to keep changing things with help from the RFL. As said I would love to see the back of certain people at the RFL but why do you replace them with and will it really change much when the clubs have so much power?

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come  back  maurice  all  is  forgiven.  only  jokeing.

I should bloody well hope so.

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Someone has to find out how the hell a RU club who normally struggle to get 7,000 to a home game can attract 83,000 this weekend? We need to get these people behind this type of event.

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Whilst Dr K is probably right in that the game has not moved forward much in the last 10 years -neither has it gone back.In the present climate with so much competition for the "leisure pound" from both other sports and outside interests -just stabilising the game is a minor achievement.Not very ambitious I know -but reality.

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Whilst Dr K is probably right in that the game has not moved forward much in the last 10 years -neither has it gone back.In the present climate with so much competition for the "leisure pound" from both other sports and outside interests -just stabilising the game is a minor achievement.Not very ambitious I know -but reality.

 

Brilliant observation, be careful your not called negative.

 

The RFL have a major struggle, and it's easy for the "other side" to play on that but what do they offer??

 

Lenegan wanted 12 SL clubs to be given all the money. Highly ambitious.

 

Dr. K wants the Marquee system but does not explain:-

 

a. Which ambitious Rugby Stars would want to play in a struggling English pro-league on vastly higher salaries than jealous team mates and why?

 

b. Which Superleague chairmen would actually want to put hundreds of thousands of their own money into these ambitious Rugby Stars pockets?

 

c. How much would it grow crowds at the end of the day?? Which individual will draw thousands to matches??

 

No matter who runs the sport they have a big struggle and no easy answers. Great observation BB.

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I've been following the game since the late 70,s and in that time every time we take a step forward we seem to take a step back and vice versa.for whatever reasons we never seem to take 2 steps forward but due to the loyalty of the game by players and fans we also don,t go 2 steps backwards.

I thought the "legacy" of last years world cup would provide a big boost but so far it has only been lukewarm.

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Someone has to find out how the hell a RU club who normally struggle to get 7,000 to a home game can attract 83,000 this weekend? We need to get these people behind this type of event.

 

By throwing lots of money at it and spending months promoting it.

 

That club has improved its losses to £4m per year, incidentally.

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