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Wigan Investing in Welsh Rugby League

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Now that's great to see.

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That's what all SL clubs should be doing. Each club should invest in a targetted area. They could help with development and also take games there. This would help promote their club, SL and RL in general and hopefully start to produce players from that area some of whom may filter through to the top level with others strengthening the local professional and amatuer clubs.

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That's what all SL clubs should be doing. Each club should invest in a targetted area.

 

It's a good idea but there has to be a structure

 

The structure in Wales is hinted at as "Academy, Scholarship and National Junior programmes" from which  "a professional feeder system which identifies and develops playing talent in club and school environments as a pathway to the Wales RL Junior National Teams".

 

I wonder just what the set up is in terms of numbers and competitions especially those outside schools. Anybody able to comment?

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I agree it's got to be done in the right way. The RFL could use the Wigan/Wales set up as a template for the others to use

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It's a good idea but there has to be a structure

 

The structure in Wales is hinted at as "Academy, Scholarship and National Junior programmes" from which  "a professional feeder system which identifies and develops playing talent in club and school environments as a pathway to the Wales RL Junior National Teams".

 

I wonder just what the set up is in terms of numbers and competitions especially those outside schools. Anybody able to comment?

Academy at Maesteg has 20 lads at present, next year there will be a further cohort from September so approx 40.

Below that is the 16s Academy which at present has approx 35 lads involved as part of the squad.

The National Junior programme is from U14, but as I'm not involved in that I can't give you numbers on that.

Below that is the Champion School competition and the Welsh junior conference set ups. There's about 20 clubs in that off the top of my head.

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That's what all SL clubs should be doing. Each club should invest in a targetted area. They could help with development and also take games there. This would help promote their club, SL and RL in general and hopefully start to produce players from that area some of whom may filter through to the top level with others strengthening the local professional and amatuer clubs.

Great idea. Talk about SL clubs doing community work - should be in non heartland communities 50% of the time.

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Great idea. Talk about SL clubs doing community work - should be in non heartland communities 50% of the time.

 

 

Well Wigan have done a good job with Wigan and moved to add Wales, Leeds have still to develop the RU areas around north Leeds and the Leopards JARLFC have just moved in at Moortown RUFC and the Leeds Underdogs are close to West Park Bramhope RUFC. Two exciting new clubs.

 

Several so called SL clubs haven't done much of a job with their own areas , never mind halving that to go 100 miles plus away. Good shout in theory Ben in practice only the top few clubs are anywhere near capable

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Well Wigan have done a good job with Wigan and moved to add Wales, Leeds have still to develop the RU areas around north Leeds and the Leopards JARLFC have just moved in at Moortown RUFC and the Leeds Underdogs are close to West Park Bramhope RUFC. Two exciting new clubs.

Several so called SL clubs haven't done much of a job with their own areas , never mind halving that to go 100 miles plus away. Good shout in theory Ben in practice only the top few clubs are anywhere near capable

Even though I suggested all clubs to do this, I understand this isn't feasable at the moment. However, more top clubs should do this if there development is good locally and the others should be looking to prioritise local development followed by expansion rather than marquee players or importing players from the SH

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That's what all SL clubs should be doing. Each club should invest in a targetted area. They could help with development and also take games there. This would help promote their club, SL and RL in general and hopefully start to produce players from that area some of whom may filter through to the top level with others strengthening the local professional and amatuer clubs.

My thoughts exactly, just take the London boroughs for example with each super league club investing say £10,000-£20,000 in areas like Croydon, newham, hackney etc. For me it would be a win win for both the super league clubs and RL in London, or there's other areas like Birmingham, Bristol, Nottingham, Liverpool etc.

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I was wondering whether George Williams has any Welsh blood? If so they just need to find another half back and they'll have a strong side. Pugsley impressed me in pre season and I think Lloyd has talent, so we may 5/6 welsh qualified players on our books already.

If we can unearth the next Ellis, then suddenly the present as well as the future will look bright.

Lenagan has plenty of detractors but he does have a track record of pouring money into developing the game. Maybe Koukash could invest the money he can't spend on a marquee player into developing the game the 2 cities of Salford and Manchester?

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Virtually no RL played in Liverpool . Soccer rules totally , the average kid from Liverpool hasn't even heard of rugby, never mind RL.

Virtually all the Rugby playing schools play The dark side if not all.

A bit pie in the sky that one. James Graham is most certainly the exception.

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Well Wigan have done a good job with Wigan and moved to add Wales, Leeds have still to develop the RU areas around north Leeds and the Leopards JARLFC have just moved in at Moortown RUFC and the Leeds Underdogs are close to West Park Bramhope RUFC. Two exciting new clubs.

 

Several so called SL clubs haven't done much of a job with their own areas , never mind halving that to go 100 miles plus away. Good shout in theory Ben in practice only the top few clubs are anywhere near capable

 

Agree, Wigan and Leeds are what SL clubs should be, Saints and Wire next - the rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Academy structures should be centrally run with the exception of these four. The rest made up like -  London/South East, East/South Yorks, Bradford/Kirklees/Calder, Lancs/Cheshire/Wales, Cumbria/N East

 

Fund these properly and clubs run a reserve system for under 23's with 2 over age max

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Virtually no RL played in Liverpool . Soccer rules totally , the average kid from Liverpool hasn't even heard of rugby, never mind RL.

Virtually all the Rugby playing schools play The dark side if not all.

A bit pie in the sky that one. James Graham is most certainly the exception.

 

Let's not bother trying to change it then!

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Agree, Wigan and Leeds are what SL clubs should be, Saints and Wire next - the rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Academy structures should be centrally run with the exception of these four. The rest made up like - London/South East, East/South Yorks, Bradford/Kirklees/Calder, Lancs/Cheshire/Wales, Cumbria/N East

Fund these properly and clubs run a reserve system for under 23's with 2 over age max

just out of interest why wouldn't you rank saints with leeds and wigan?

Also whats the point of U23s?

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Let's not bother trying to change it then!

scousers are not bothered about RL one bit, think the decline in Manchester RL but with no base to start from,

Union is bigger than you think with lots of clubs with lots of teams some running 4! a few clubs paying bigger than champ clubs!

Basically you would need a SL club in Liverpool an endless wallet and a few of 'their own' championing the cause along with a large decline of the soccer teams!

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scousers are not bothered about RL one bit, think the decline in Manchester RL but with no base to start from,

Union is bigger than you think with lots of clubs with lots of teams some running 4! a few clubs paying bigger than champ clubs!

Basically you would need a SL club in Liverpool an endless wallet and a few of 'their own' championing the cause along with a large decline of the soccer teams!

 

Nice dose of realism there Yipyee, the concensus of wishful thinking seems to state that somehow the game should find the money and go all over England and Wales developing the junior game. Spend what we have where it's most effective, get SL clubs to tie in with other regional academies.

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One thing going in Wigan's favour is geographical proximity. It is much easier to envisage a youngster from North Wales going to Wigan. Than it would be from anywhere south of Wolverhampton. A triumph of enlightened self-interest.This seems to be forgotten in "development schemes" youngsters will choose to stay in their own area rather than move too far away from home. 

 

A couple of other points, firstly Wigan wave always had a Welsh connection of sorts through the likes of Billy Boston & 25 Full Welsh internationals who have played over 100 games for the Wigan club and secondly, IFL is a forward thinker in a league full of backward thinkers.....

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That's what all SL clubs should be doing. Each club should invest in a targetted area. They could help with development and also take games there. This would help promote their club, SL and RL in general and hopefully start to produce players from that area some of whom may filter through to the top level with others strengthening the local professional and amatuer clubs.

And how many SL clubs can afford the pleasure of Super League Rugby? You might find that five or six could invest in ventures of that kind.

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I was wondering whether George Williams has any Welsh blood?

I don't think he has as I am sure I asked his father exactly that when he played for the England Under 18 side against Wales last year.

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Nice dose of realism there Yipyee, the concensus of wishful thinking seems to state that somehow the game should find the money and go all over England and Wales developing the junior game. Spend what we have where it's most effective, get SL clubs to tie in with other regional academies.

If someone, sometime had not started the junior game in Wales in direct contradiction to your suggested development path, then there would have been no game there for Wigan to tap into. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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And how many SL clubs can afford the pleasure of Super League Rugby? You might find that five or six could invest in ventures of that kind.

If you quoted my later post you would have seen that I said something similar. Probably Saints, Salford, Warrington, Leeds, Hull, Huddersfield may also he able to invest

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If you quoted my later post you would have seen that I said something similar. Probably Saints, Salford, Warrington, Leeds, Hull, Huddersfield may also he able to invest

all of those bar saints still have a lot of work to do in their own communities, wigan and st helens are saturated with RL and therefore need to look elsewhere to expand. ....

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My thoughts exactly, just take the London boroughs for example with each super league club investing say £10,000-£20,000 in areas like Croydon, newham, hackney etc. For me it would be a win win for both the super league clubs and RL in London, or there's other areas like Birmingham, Bristol, Nottingham, Liverpool etc.

And Derby. It was the policy of the RFL to link the RLConference clubs with SL clubs who would aid their development.

Over the years we were linked to Leeds, Salford and Cas. Never heard a single word from any of them despite our efforts.

So well done Wigan!

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