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They are very patronising with their coverage imo, especially describing every thing that happens in the game, like people have never seen RL before and always playing down the sport as a Northern pastime. 

Nonsense, will you make your bloody mind up, you say we need to push the game to new audiences and broadcasters in every post yet denigrate the bbc for trying to explain the rules to newcomers who may be watching on national TV.

 

When did the BBC team today play any part of the coverage down as a northern pastime?

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Promoted as a northern english trophy by whom?

 

The governing body. 

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ITV have held rights for the RUWC over the pro-RU BBC for several years. You think they'll jeopardise that lucrative if deathly dull cash cow just to show a few rounds of the Challenge Cup?

 

And sport on ITV tends more towards the rubbish than the watchable. We'd probably get Elton Welsby and spend the rest of the contract praying for the return of Eddie & Stevo.

 

What union go to do with anything? Sky Sports seem to be able to show both codes and ITV4 is a sports channel. There's a difference between ITV1 and ITV4. 

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The governing body. 

but this thread was about how bad the BBC are, now your whinging about the RFL, who had no input into the BBC's coverage today AFAIK

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What union go to do with anything? Sky Sports seem to be able to show both codes and ITV4 is a sports channel. There's a difference between ITV1 and ITV4. 

that's right there is a difference, ITV4 is where they put the stuff that's generally not good enough to go on ITV. ITV is BBC's terrestrial competitor. you think for RL to promote itself and get respect we need to go, cap in hand to the BBC's terrestrial competitior and put it on their filler channel.

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but this thread was about how bad the BBC are, now your whinging about the RFL, who had no input into the BBC's coverage today AFAIK

 

I'm saying if the RFL promoted the sport and the competition better, then perhaps we would have more interest in broadcasting rights. Pretending it's only played in the North is silly, especially given there's an international flavour to the tournament. Hence why I said they should look at going to YouTube if there's no interest. Streaming is going to be the way forward, you just have to get ahead of the curve. Even the NRL are streaming their live games to audiences. 

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What union go to do with anything? Sky Sports seem to be able to show both codes and ITV4 is a sports channel. There's a difference between ITV1 and ITV4. 

 

The most recent week for which figures are available show only one sports fixture in the top 10 for ITV 4.  It's soccer with 837,000 viewers.  No other sport on that week made it to 337,000 (the #10 rated figure).

 

The week before that soccer was the highest sport on 302,000.

 

The week before that the darts managed to get to 567,000.

 

The week before that only soccer got above 243,000.

 

Genuine question: what is the BBC 2 viewing figure going to be in comparison with the above?

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I'm saying if the RFL promoted the sport and the competition better, then perhaps we would have more interest in broadcasting rights. Pretending it's only played in the North is silly, especially given there's an international flavour to the tournament. Hence why I said they should look at going to YouTube if there's no interest. Streaming is going to be the way forward, you just have to get ahead of the curve. Even the NRL are streaming their live games to audiences. 

Only you are suggesting its only played in the north. AFAIK the BBC team mentioned Catalan beating London and Fev v North Wales too. thus killing your northen conspiracy idea.

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I'm saying if the RFL promoted the sport and the competition better, then perhaps we would have more interest in broadcasting rights. Pretending it's only played in the North is silly, especially given there's an international flavour to the tournament. Hence why I said they should look at going to YouTube if there's no interest. Streaming is going to be the way forward, you just have to get ahead of the curve. Even the NRL are streaming their live games to audiences. 

 

BBC stream via the iPlayer.  It's how I watched it today.  I'm well modern, me.

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that's right there is a difference, ITV4 is where they put the stuff that's generally not good enough to go on ITV. ITV is BBC's terrestrial competitor. you think for RL to promote itself and get respect we need to go, cap in hand to the BBC's terrestrial competitior and put it on their filler channel.

 

Yeah there's filler on there, which is why I'm saying we should go to them driectly and see if they're interested in carrying more live sport! If they had more sport on ITV1, you'd get the usual suspects moaning and whining and wanting more of Corrie instead, which is why ITV wanted a sports channel. Everyone has freeview now, so the idea that ITV4 has a smaller reach than ITV1 is wrong. 

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I'm saying if the RFL promoted the sport and the competition better, then perhaps we would have more interest in broadcasting rights. Pretending it's only played in the North is silly, especially given there's an international flavour to the tournament. Hence why I said they should look at going to YouTube if there's no interest. Streaming is going to be the way forward, you just have to get ahead of the curve. Even the NRL are streaming their live games to audiences. 

So, lets say your Nigel Wood and I am the Geezer who runs ITV4 - Sell me the challenge cup, why should I put it on??  If the RFL are making mistakes, you tell me where and what they should do.

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The most recent week for which figures are available show only one sports fixture in the top 10 for ITV 4.  It's soccer with 837,000 viewers.  No other sport on that week made it to 337,000 (the #10 rated figure).

 

The week before that soccer was the highest sport on 302,000.

 

The week before that the darts managed to get to 567,000.

 

The week before that only soccer got above 243,000.

 

Genuine question: what is the BBC 2 viewing figure going to be in comparison with the above?

 

Not very high most likely, but I'll be surprised if today's game was in the top 10. You make it sound like those ratings are poor. 

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Yeah there's filler on there, which is why I'm saying we should go to them driectly and see if they're interested in carrying more live sport! If they had more sport on ITV1, you'd get the usual suspects moaning and whining and wanting more of Corrie instead, which is why ITV wanted a sports channel. Everyone has freeview now, so the idea that ITV4 has a smaller reach than ITV1 is wrong. 

I never said it had a smaller reach, you in fact admitted it was full of filler, keep up.

 

As also mentioned on the thread some of the sport on ITV4 is outside broadcasts, which RL cannot produce on our budgets, unlike Soccer or Tennis.

Also mentioned was the fact that bids were put out to tender to other channels but only the BBC and Sky wanted the cup, Sky didn't even screen a tie this round, BBC did, well done them.

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So, lets say your Nigel Wood and I am the Geezer who runs ITV4 - Sell me the challenge cup, why should I put it on??  If the RFL are making mistakes, you tell me where and what they should do.

 

1. RL is the second most watched sport after football domestically

2. The Challenge Cup is a European club tournament, drawing in clubs from three countries

3. Rugby league is played AND watched all over the country, with pro clubs from Gateshead to Gloucestershire (this is for UK viewing figures)

4. The Challenge Cup is the oldest rugby tournament in the world

5. The final will be watched by over 80,000 at the most famous stadium in the world, Wembley

6. There are several preliminary rounds before the professional teams enter, including University teams and the Army, Navy and Marines

7. RL is the fastest growing sport in the UK

 

"Now Mr ITV4 man, you're interested in more live sport. Given the facts we've passed down, would you be interested in covering the Challenge Cup on your channel? If you're not interested could explain why?" And I'd take the reasons they gave as a way to promote the sport again. 

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I never said it had a smaller reach, you in fact admitted it was full of filler, keep up.

 

As also mentioned on the thread some of the sport on ITV4 is outside broadcasts, which RL cannot produce on our budgets, unlike Soccer or Tennis.

Also mentioned was the fact that bids were put out to tender to other channels but only the BBC and Sky wanted the cup, Sky didn't even screen a tie this round, BBC did, well done them.

 

Yes it's full of filler during the week, but the live broadcasts have excellent ratings. If Darts can get over 500,000+ why couldn't the Challenge Cup, given we get similar ratings to darts on Sky? 

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1. RL is the second most watched sport after football domestically

2. The Challenge Cup is a European club tournament, drawing in clubs from three countries

3. Rugby league is played AND watched all over the country, with pro clubs from Gateshead to Gloucestershire (this is for UK viewing figures)

4. The Challenge Cup is the oldest rugby tournament in the world

5. The final will be watched by over 80,000 at the most famous stadium in the world, Wembley

6. There are several preliminary rounds before the professional teams enter, including University teams and the Army, Navy and Marines

7. RL is the fastest growing sport in the UK

 

"Now Mr ITV4 man, you're interested in more live sport. Given the facts we've passed down, would you be interested in covering the Challenge Cup on your channel? If you're not interested could explain why?" And I'd take the reasons they gave as a way to promote the sport again. 

 

So when the independent media agency did this and nobody but the BBC and Sky wanted it ...

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1. RL is the second most watched sport after football domestically

2. The Challenge Cup is a European club tournament, drawing in clubs from three countries

3. Rugby league is played AND watched all over the country, with pro clubs from Gateshead to Gloucestershire (this is for UK viewing figures)

4. The Challenge Cup is the oldest rugby tournament in the world

5. The final will be watched by over 80,000 at the most famous stadium in the world, Wembley

6. There are several preliminary rounds before the professional teams enter, including University teams and the Army, Navy and Marines

7. RL is the fastest growing sport in the UK

 

"Now Mr ITV4 man, you're interested in more live sport. Given the facts we've passed down, would you be interested in covering the Challenge Cup on your channel? If you're not interested could explain why?" And I'd take the reasons they gave as a way to promote the sport again. 

Mr ITV Man replies: ithat sounds like it'd cost us in terms of televising and promoting the matches. Seeing as we are desperate to scrimp every penny due to our massive losses on everything that isn't a soap or presented by Simon Cowell, we'll buy pre-packaged highlights shows off Eurosport, thanks. They may be a bit rubbish, but they are cheap.

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So when the independent media agency did this and nobody but the BBC and Sky wanted it ...

 

How do we know they did? Is there something we can view from their marketing? At the end of the day, when your sponsors list as stuff like Tetley's, and formerly Leeds Met Carnegie, it's easy to make the assumption the RL is a northern sport, played and watched only by northerners. Unless we tell them otherwise, that's how it'll always be sold. We need to sell it as a prestigious international tournament that it is. Does the CC have any international rights like the SL does, or is it included in the package? 

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Mr ITV Man replies: ithat sounds like it'd cost us in terms of televising and promoting the matches. Seeing as we are desperate to scrimp every penny due to our massive losses on everything that isn't a soap or presented by Simon Cowell, we'll buy pre-packaged highlights shows off Eurosport, thanks. They may be a bit rubbish, but they are cheap.

 

"Dear ITV4, we notice that you recently lost the IPL coverage to Sky Sports so you have a hole in your live sports coverage. The CC has been drawing in viewing figures of [insert number] on the BBC, here is an excellent chance for you to gain viewers on your nearest rival. RL fans are very passionate in their support, both in the stands and on the sofa. Your excellent coverage of Darts regularly brings in over 500,000+ viewers across the country and you may be interested to know that the SL draws the same number of audience as darts does on sky sports, where over half the audience comes from the South of England. You will be broadcasting an international club competition, which would draw in viewing excellent figures and the price would not be any higher than what you're paying for other sports. RL has long been undersold in the broadcasting rights, but you have a sport that is very well followed and would bring in a new audience to ITV4."

 

Don't diss Eurosport, they do alright with their low budgets to be fair! Wouldn't mind Eurosport either. Weren't they interested in the Championship before sky bid a few years back?

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And yet another thread about how TV broadcasters should be falling over themselves to show TGG.............

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1. RL is the second most watched sport after football domestically

 

2. The Challenge Cup is a European club tournament, drawing in clubs from three countries

 

3. Rugby league is played AND watched all over the country, with pro clubs from Gateshead to Gloucestershire (this is for UK viewing figures)

 

4. The Challenge Cup is the oldest rugby tournament in the world

 

5. The final will be watched by over 80,000 at the most famous stadium in the world, Wembley

 

6. There are several preliminary rounds before the professional teams enter, including University teams and the Army, Navy and Marines

 

7. RL is the fastest growing sport in the UK

 

"Now Mr ITV4 man, you're interested in more live sport. Given the facts we've passed down, would you be interested in covering the Challenge Cup on your channel? If you're not interested could explain why?" And I'd take the reasons they gave as a way to promote the sport again. 

 

1, Can the channel pull in high earning sponsors from these viewers, and the places they are associated with?

 

2, This is of no importance to us as we are a UK channel, also it seems the teams from Wales are semi-pro with only a couple of thousand supporters 

 

3, Without seeing viewing figures for Cities associated with the sport in these two lower tier teams I can't see anything other than their ability for alliteration, A cursory glance can see both organisations are very small. Such small organisations are best suited to local broadcasting and as such not what ITV are looking for

 

4, History is one good selling point I supose, I see it used to be called the Northen Union Challenge Cup, I suggest this lesson in history does not help modernise the image of the game as you are hoping to do

 

5, so will two regular season games in the NFL and Rugby Unions Premiership, they may even surpass that figure for the NFL

 

6, I believe this barrell scraping signals the end of our meeting today 

 

7, I dont believe you but cannot find evidence to suggest otherwise

 

We would not be interested for the reasons above and that at the top level Rugby League IS a northern sport played in some unfashionable places, we can see that there are some small organisations outside of the north of England and we believe this type of sport is very much grass roots and not what we at ITV 4 are looking for.

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"Dear ITV4, we notice that you recently lost the IPL coverage to Sky Sports so you have a hole in your live sports coverage. The CC has been drawing in viewing figures of [insert number] on the BBC, here is an excellent chance for you to gain viewers on your nearest rival. RL fans are very passionate in their support, both in the stands and on the sofa. Your excellent coverage of Darts regularly brings in over 500,000+ viewers across the country and you may be interested to know that the SL draws the same number of audience as darts does on sky sports, where over half the audience comes from the South of England. You will be broadcasting an international club competition, which would draw in viewing excellent figures and the price would not be any higher than what you're paying for other sports. RL has long been undersold in the broadcasting rights, but you have a sport that is very well followed and would bring in a new audience to ITV4."

 

Don't diss Eurosport, they do alright with their low budgets to be fair! Wouldn't mind Eurosport either. Weren't they interested in the Championship before sky bid a few years back?

 NO! Eurosport were not interested, they did not bid and the coverage went to premier sports for nothing. But I guess thats the RFLs fault

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"Dear ITV4, we notice that you recently lost the IPL coverage to Sky Sports so you have a hole in your live sports coverage. The CC has been drawing in viewing figures of [insert number] on the BBC, here is an excellent chance for you to gain viewers on your nearest rival. RL fans are very passionate in their support, both in the stands and on the sofa. Your excellent coverage of Darts regularly brings in over 500,000+ viewers across the country and you may be interested to know that the SL draws the same number of audience as darts does on sky sports, where over half the audience comes from the South of England. You will be broadcasting an international club competition, which would draw in viewing excellent figures and the price would not be any higher than what you're paying for other sports. RL has long been undersold in the broadcasting rights, but you have a sport that is very well followed and would bring in a new audience to ITV4."

 

Don't diss Eurosport, they do alright with their low budgets to be fair! Wouldn't mind Eurosport either. Weren't they interested in the Championship before sky bid a few years back?

ITV Man: We can't afford to take risks, that's why our programmes are mostly rubbish. And if we give you the oxygen of publicity, then the RUWC contract will decamp to the BBC or Sky faster than you can say "Clive Tyldesly is a useless knob obsessed with the away goal rule". We're just waiting 'til that nice Mr Cameron eviscerates the BBC of anything profitable and we can pick up the commercially-viable bits at a knock-down price. Until then, investment? Why bother?.

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I am just watching ITV's news bulletin, they are showing F1, football highlights, the rowing, davis cup tennis and but nothing about the RL. ITV are a disgrace and have no right to show the Rugby League.

 

Oh wait hang on they don't. 

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