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Sean O'Loughlin v Paul Sculthorpe - which one was better?

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Over the course of their careers, you'd lean towards O'Loughlin ?!?!

You lot are insane. Anybody that would take O'Loughlin over Sculthorpe need their heads testing. O'Loughlin is good but Paul Sculthorpe he is not.

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I have a great deal of respect and admiration for SOL but Sculthorpe was better.

The acid test for me is games Vs Australia where Sculthorpe was almost always prominent and even dominant compared to his opposite number in the Australian team.

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Over the course of their careers, you'd lean towards O'Loughlin ?!?!

You lot are insane. Anybody that would take O'Loughlin over Sculthorpe need their heads testing. O'Loughlin is good but Paul Sculthorpe he is not.

It's not insane at all. The last 4 years have seen Lockers come into his own in a glorious era for our great club. He was also central to holding together and driving on some shocking Wigan teams in the early part of his career. It is not Ford against Offiah - now that would be insane.

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Over the course of their careers, you'd lean towards O'Loughlin ?!?!

You lot are insane. Anybody that would take O'Loughlin over Sculthorpe need their heads testing. O'Loughlin is good but Paul Sculthorpe he is not.

Yep, I would. O'Loughlin has been good to great in most matches I've seen him play. Sculthorpe probably had more great matches but I also remember him having plenty of stinkers. This was mainly the injury ravaged Sculthorpe late in his career so maybe unfair to him but that's why I gave the proviso 'over the course of their careers'. O'Loughlin of course also seems injury riddled over this and last season but he still looks Wigan's best player when he does make it onto the pitch.

 

Another plus point in O'Loughlin's favour is that his supporting cast last year was nowhere near comparable to the help Sculthorpe had when Saints were in their pomp but he still led Wigan to the double.

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I love O'Loughlin and as has been said by others, he offers a lot of less tangible qualities to his team, but for me Sculthorpe was in a different class.

 

O'Loughlin has never really stood out at international level whereas at times Sculthorpe has really taken it to the Aussies almost single-handedly. I will also never forget the way a teenage Paul Sculthorpe came in to the Warrington team and became our leader and inspiration from a very young age. Sculthorpe had it all and overall I think he was a better ball carrier, passer and kicker than O'Loughlin whilst being an equally tough defender. It's hard to think of anything negative at all to say about Scully apart from perhaps his injury record towards the back of his career was frustrating, and robbed him of further international caps.

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Sculthorpe by an enourmous margin. His 2001 and 2002 seasons were unbelievable, if injuries didn't take there toll he would be held in far higher regard than he already is.

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Sculthorpe by an enourmous margin. His 2001 and 2002 seasons were unbelievable, if injuries didn't take there toll he would be held in far higher regard than he already is.

You missed off if he were a Yorkshire man playing for a Yorkshire club

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It's not insane at all. The last 4 years have seen Lockers come into his own in a glorious era for our great club. He was also central to holding together and driving on some shocking Wigan teams in the early part of his career. It is not Ford against Offiah - now that would be insane.

Apart from when Ford ran from the bottom corner of the Headingley pitou diagonally to the opposite corner to put of Offiah into touch.Anyway back on topic,Sculthorpe.

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Yep, I would. O'Loughlin has been good to great in most matches I've seen him play. Sculthorpe probably had more great matches but I also remember him having plenty of stinkers. This was mainly the injury ravaged Sculthorpe late in his career so maybe unfair to him but that's why I gave the proviso 'over the course of their careers'. O'Loughlin of course also seems injury riddled over this and last season but he still looks Wigan's best player when he does make it onto the pitch.

 

Another plus point in O'Loughlin's favour is that his supporting cast last year was nowhere near comparable to the help Sculthorpe had when Saints were in their pomp but he still led Wigan to the double.

I watched Sculthorpe home and away from his joining Saints to his retirement. You could call his performances a lot of things but 'stinkers' isn't one of them. He was head and shoulders above everything in Super League throughout his career. He was nearly always in our best 3 players on the field and was more important to Saints than either Long or Cunningham. The injury ravaged Sculthorpe towards the end barely played and it was a real shame but I'll never forget his return on one leg to beat Brisbane at Bolton. The man was a colossus. A leader with a better running and passing game than O'Loughlin. He had an underrated kicking game as well. He could do the lot and is a genuine great of the game. I'm sorry but O'Loughlin isn't.

O'Loughlin is a fine player and it's no slant on him saying he isn't anywhere near as good as Scully was. Very few have been. I really rate O'Loughlin and he's huge to that Wigan team. But Sculthorpe was another level up totally. Anybody putting them together have totally forgotten just how good Sculthorpe was, either in the second row, at loose forward or at stand off where he was the best player on the field against the Australians.

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I can only comment on the games where I've seen these two perform and I believe the spoils and accolades must go to Sculthorpe. SOL is a fantastic player but I feel that Scully brought more vision and creativity to the role of Loose Forward  whilst never compromising in the tackling and running department.

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Everyone will have opinions on this, with many people swayed by their own club loyalties. For me 2 things need to stand out about a player when comparing them.

 

1. How do they do against the very best. Sculthorpe has won games at international level for both GB and Saints.

 

2. How are they viewed by the best players in the world. For me the best player in the last 20 years is Darren Lockyer and when asked who is the best British player he has played against said Paul Sculthorpe.  If its good enough for Darren its good enough for me.

 

Lockers is a great domestic player and has performed brilliantly for Wigan and has been the first name on their teamsheet for the last 5 years. But Scully was a great at international level and until Lockers can be that then he is not even in the same league.

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If Ellery Hanley was available you wouldn't pick either of them...............

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O'Loughlin has on occasion dragged up the standard of Wigan to compete with the best in Super League.  Sculthorpe on occasion did the same thing for GB against Australia.  Even when GB were useless, Sculthorpe still managed to stand out.

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If Ellery Hanley was available you wouldn't pick either of them...............

 

Now, you'd be truly insane to disagree with that. The best of the best. Hanley, then daylight.

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What was the question again, who do you support Wigan or Saints was it?

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I feel Sculthorpe's international influence is being somewhat overstated here personally.

 

We usually failed miserably against the Aussies and Kiwis when Sculthorpe was in the team too.

 

In fact, O'Loughlin's win ratio against Australia and NZ is 64% versus Sculthorpe's 24% - according to rugbyleagueproject which has been known to contain errors I should add.

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Some facts, which show how much Lockers will have to do in the last 3 years of his career to compare favourably...

Scully - 325 club games - while he retired at 30, he had done the hard yards from an early age. England 4 caps, GB 26 caps. MoS twice - the only man to win it in consecutive years (save for Schofield, according to Schoepedia). Won 4 SLs, 2 WCCs (including the incredible Broncos win, in which he scored) and 5 CCs. Admittedly in a stronger team, for a long time.

Lockers - 322 club games (though for a much bigger club). England 8 caps. GB 11 caps. No MoS, though iirc he was shortlisted once. Has won 2 SLs, 2 CCs (and 2 Minor Prems, but Scully has probably won more of those as well).

He has time to improve his case. I think the key to how this particular story will end is how much longer Lockers can stay fit...

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I feel Sculthorpe's international influence is being somewhat overstated here personally.

 

We usually failed miserably against the Aussies and Kiwis when Sculthorpe was in the team too.

 

In fact, O'Loughlin's win ratio against Australia and NZ is 64% versus Sculthorpe's 24% - according to rugbyleagueproject which has been known to contain errors I should add.

I would assert (without any proof) that O'Loughlin has in recent years being playing in a better team (though not always).  I would strongly doubt that O'Loughlin has been the difference in the improvement.

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Not sure about those stats. Clearly wins v Aus are hard to come by, but from what I can remember O'Loughlin has won once against Australia in his career. I'd rather focus on performace, and in terms of individual performances he has not produced at the same level as Sculthorpe.

 

The point is that whilst clearly we have never had a great record v Australia, Scully has been very influential in matches against Australia and when he was at the height of his powers in 2001-2004 GB/England was perhaps as close as we've been in recent memory to Australia.

 

I think back to games such as his 2 try man of the match performance in the win v Aus at Huddersfield in 2001. Without Scully we wouldn't have won that game. Similarly he turned in influential performances in all 3 tests v Australia in 2003 in the series where we narrowly lost each match at the death, and was similarly effective in the 2 tests in 2004 (narrow loss in Manchester and win at Wigan - less said about the final the better....).

 

O'Loughlin did play in the famous win in Sydney in 2006 (his only win v Aus?) and played well, but if you think back to the key performances in that game then it's Long, Newton and Roby that spring to mind for me.

 

Lockers is clearly a great player, but I think this point says it best - In the current England team when we needed a game-breaker at the Wembley semi final then it was Burgess, Tomkins or Widdop that the majority of England fans/players were looking to, and nobody was really expecting O'Loughlin to be the game-breaker. If Scully was in the team then you would definitely be looking to him to make the difference. O'Loughlin was very solid in that semi-final bar a couple of uncharacteristic knock-ons, but had Sculthorpe been playing then we would definitely have stood a greater chance of winning in my opinion.

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Sculthorpe was absolutely devastating over those few years either side of the millennium. Running (with pace), passing and goal kicking - watch his performances in the 2001 Ashes (and even when we got spanked in Aus 2002), and NZ 2002 to see him in his prime.

 

O'Loughlin has played consistently well over a long period of time. He is an outstanding player but has never bust the line like Sculthorpe has. I think Sculthorpe's injuries and subsequent early retirement have robbed us of some prime years. Would have both in my team at their best.

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I watched Sculthorpe home and away from his joining Saints to his retirement. You could call his performances a lot of things but 'stinkers' isn't one of them. He was head and shoulders above everything in Super League throughout his career. He was nearly always in our best 3 players on the field and was more important to Saints than either Long or Cunningham. The injury ravaged Sculthorpe towards the end barely played and it was a real shame but I'll never forget his return on one leg to beat Brisbane at Bolton. The man was a colossus. A leader with a better running and passing game than O'Loughlin. He had an underrated kicking game as well. He could do the lot and is a genuine great of the game. I'm sorry but O'Loughlin isn't.

O'Loughlin is a fine player and it's no slant on him saying he isn't anywhere near as good as Scully was. Very few have been. I really rate O'Loughlin and he's huge to that Wigan team. But Sculthorpe was another level up totally. Anybody putting them together have totally forgotten just how good Sculthorpe was, either in the second row, at loose forward or at stand off where he was the best player on the field against the Australians.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge as I only ever watched him when Saints or GB were on TV. I'll stick by stinkers though towards the tail end as the injuries took their toll. I probably remember the end of his career far better than the beginning which sways me to SOL.

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Not sure about those stats. Clearly wins v Aus are hard to come by, but from what I can remember O'Loughlin has won once against Australia in his career. I'd rather focus on performace, and in terms of individual performances he has not produced at the same level as Sculthorpe.

 

The point is that whilst clearly we have never had a great record v Australia, Scully has been very influential in matches against Australia and when he was at the height of his powers in 2001-2004 GB/England was perhaps as close as we've been in recent memory to Australia.

 

I think back to games such as his 2 try man of the match performance in the win v Aus at Huddersfield in 2001. Without Scully we wouldn't have won that game. Similarly he turned in influential performances in all 3 tests v Australia in 2003 in the series where we narrowly lost each match at the death, and was similarly effective in the 2 tests in 2004 (narrow loss in Manchester and win at Wigan - less said about the final the better....).

 

O'Loughlin did play in the famous win in Sydney in 2006 (his only win v Aus?) and played well, but if you think back to the key performances in that game then it's Long, Newton and Roby that spring to mind for me.

 

Lockers is clearly a great player, but I think this point says it best - In the current England team when we needed a game-breaker at the Wembley semi final then it was Burgess, Tomkins or Widdop that the majority of England fans/players were looking to, and nobody was really expecting O'Loughlin to be the game-breaker. If Scully was in the team then you would definitely be looking to him to make the difference. O'Loughlin was very solid in that semi-final bar a couple of uncharacteristic knock-ons, but had Sculthorpe been playing then we would definitely have stood a greater chance of winning in my opinion.

He also played off the bench in 2004 when we beat Oz.

 

His record against NZ is far better than Sculthorpe's, but I do take the point made by another poster that it is unfair to simply look at results against these teams as it is a team game.

 

I do also think that people will naturally pick and choose things to suit their argument, as some people will state that we were worse back then, yet our record against the Aussies was certainly better back then.

 

I think your last paragraph actually explains why it is difficult to compare these two players. They had pretty different styles and maybe my judgement is clouded by some pretty poor seasons from Sculthorpe, often hampered by injuries. Sculthorpe may have had the x-factor but O'Loughlin has been far more consistent over his career imho.

 

I rated Sculthorpe very highly, but I still think his presence is being overstated.

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If Ellery Hanley was available you wouldn't pick either of them...............

Didn't think of him when I wrote my earlier post

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Both would have succeeded downunder. Neither played in the best league in the sport. If only.

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