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RFL want Great Britain tour in 2015

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An exclusive courtesy of Rugby League World magazine: http://www.totalrl.com/web/nigel-wood-want-2015-great-britain-tour-go-ahead/

 

Nigel Wood: “We can’t invite ourselves to somebody else’s party - they have to decide that they’re having a party. We are hopeful that an invitation will be extended to tour as Great Britain in 2015.”

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Stupid idea.

 

Wood's continual wanting to turn the clock back will have us playing with 15 players and having rucks and mauls next.

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Stupid idea.

 

Wood's continual wanting to turn the clock back will have us playing with 15 players and having rucks and mauls next.

 

What worries me about the article is this quote:

 

"It’s fine playing as England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales separately – that’s the right thing to do to respect those individual nations and we certainly need to do that for World Cups."

 

Whilst he does mention about playing as GB once a cycle, that quote seems to point towards the old 'individual nations' concept of being rolled out in World Cup years only... hence your comment about turning the clock back is very apt!

 

I wonder if the WRL, SRL and IRL have been included in the decision making process of this GB idea considering the RFL washed their hands of funding them?

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Stupid idea.

 

Wood's continual wanting to turn the clock back will have us playing with 15 players and having rucks and mauls next.

 

I disagree. I think it can only be a good thing to bring back the GB tour. As long as nothing else suffers as a result of course.

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What worries me about the article is this quote:

 

"It’s fine playing as England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales separately – that’s the right thing to do to respect those individual nations and we certainly need to do that for World Cups."

 

Whilst he does mention about playing as GB once a cycle, that quote seems to point towards the old 'individual nations' concept of being rolled out in World Cup years only... hence your comment about turning the clock back is very apt!

Hmmm, that does seem ominous.

 

I'm generally against the GB concept as I want the individual nations to develop. I can live with it being once a cycle though

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I'm pretty sure you can have both GB for some tournaments and Eng etc for others. I think having no GB is wrong and might have actually weakened some of the other UK nations. But just playing as GB at least every 4 years (and maybe a little more often) is a great chance to celebrate our heritage, do something different, and unite against a common enemy!

Slightly more controversially though, I'd consider a mid-season GB tour to Oz. I think it would be amazing but would need serious planning mostly in the UK to make it work perhaps with split rounds or a break perhaps.

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I'm generally against the GB concept as I want the individual nations to develop. I can live with it being once a cycle though

 

That is exactly my viewpoint. I can live with it once a cycle but it fundamentally must not undermine the individual nation's competing regular as separate entities. This isn't 1990 anymore with Scotland potentially becoming independent in 2016 and Wales pushing for greater autonomy. It is backward thinking as ever from the RFL when the reality of modern day thinking is going in the opposite direction.

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No problem at all with a GB tour.  I think it's a nice concept and every few years is about right.

 

I have a big problem with it being April 2014 and there being nothing in place for next year and the RFL seemingly having to resort to pleading with the NRL to find some space in their diary to fit us in.

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I have a big problem with it being April 2014 and there being nothing in place for next year and the RFL seemingly having to resort to pleading with the NRL to find some space in their diary to fit us in.

 

Half the problem... they've only just released dates for this year's Four Nations so there isn't a cat-in-hells-chance anything for 2015 would be organised by now. We DESPERATELY need a real World Governing Body to grab hold of the game and start planning for the long term including International fixtures, eligiblity, rules etc etc. However, self interest at national club level rules...

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If they're that desperate to have GB, then fine whatever but only quadrennial. What I can't stand is tours, GB should be competing in Four Nations type competitions as well. 

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We should be at home in 2015 full stop. To hide away from the other code's WC is ridiculous! The RUWC will be finished by October 31 - we have the whole of November without ANY international rugby.

 

Three Ashes tests versus Australia (Wembley Old Trafford plus 1) on November 7, 14 and 21 is an absolute no-brainer!

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We should be at home in 2015 full stop. To hide away from the other code's WC is ridiculous! The RUWC will be finished by October 31 - we have the whole of November without ANY international rugby.

 

Three Ashes tests versus Australia (Wembley Old Trafford plus 1) on November 7, 14 and 21 is an absolute no-brainer!

 

The whole '3 years without a home test' is interesting. Will we see the likes of OT and Wembley used in the 2016 Four Nations or will it be back to Huddersfield, Hull and Wigan (no offense to those grounds)? If it's the latter, then it shows how they've killed the supposed legacy from the WC. 

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The legacy has already been killed. Had to announce a year of fixtures and ride on the coat tails of that Wembley game. People will have forgotten about it in a years let alone three

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I disagree. I think it can only be a good thing to bring back the GB tour. As long as nothing else suffers as a result of course.

But IMO other things will suffer.

For Cliffs sake, stop trying to turn back the clock and *pretending*and just try to go forward for a change.

I look forward to seeing the non English players getting a game. But I won't be betting any money on it.

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I disagree. I think it can only be a good thing to bring back the GB tour. As long as nothing else suffers as a result of course.

Of course the one thing to suffer will be the wonderful progress made in international rugby league in this country thanks to the marvellous world cup because we wont have another bloody international on these shores for three more years.

 

Ridiculous idea by Nigel Wood.  I hope the Aussies turn him down flat.

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I can safely say that I totally disagree with you and totally agree with AB!

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JW, galvanise the sport? I am guessing you didn't see England playing in front of sell out crowds last year and the passion on show at Wembley from both traditional and non-traditional fans?

The passion for GB is a nostalgic trip into the past when people believe times were grand and captured everyone's imagination (it wasn't and didn't!). Last year proved we've moved on and AB is right stating the Aussies couldn't care less.

It's about time we moved forwards, not backwards.

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That is exactly my viewpoint. I can live with it once a cycle but it fundamentally must not undermine the individual nation's competing regular as separate entities. This isn't 1990 anymore with Scotland potentially becoming independent in 2016 and Wales pushing for greater autonomy. It is backward thinking as ever from the RFL when the reality of modern day thinking is going in the opposite direction.

Its a Great Britain team, not the United Kingdom.

Irelands not part of the UK but they join forces for the British Lions tours

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Lets not be pedantic about GB or UK definitions as you may wish to look up what countries actually constitute GB...

My point in the previous post that last year's WC already galvanised the international game and showed the way forward to develop it; being nostalgic about the past is not it!

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Those in the Rugby league  "bubble" fail to appreciate what a tough sell to the Australian sporting public any side be it GB or England is for a tour down there. The fact is you only get respect if you beat the Green and Gold on a reguiar basis and that has not happened. The Australian sporting public looks forward to a GB / England tour in thev same way many of you look forward to your club playing this years London Broncos.

 

In short a foregone conclusion of a 3-0 hammering with siren voices down under wondering why players are beng required to play in this series instead of resting up for another tough season in the NRL.

 

For once I am with Nigel Wood "you cannot invite yourself to someone elses party" - Particularily if you are seen as a party pooper..

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Some very interesting points here. I've argued the toss with another of our writers, if anyone wants to have a look: http://www.totalrl.com/web/debate-rfl-pursue-great-britain-tour-2015/

 

What the question for me is: what are the benefits of having this? Is it just for a nostalgia trip or is there an expectation that this will fill the grounds in Australia? Because I don't believe it will.

 

The basis for it seems to be based on other people's reactions:

A) It will grow the game in the UK due to GB being 'high profile' - even though 100 years of GB did nothing to grow the sport outside of England

B. It will give Welsh and Scottish players a chance to play at a big level - even though they could qualify for the Four Nations and the only 'Welsh' and 'Scots' being mentioned so far are English or Australian

 

The worst thing that could possibly happen for me is for GB to play a 'Queensland selection' and lose! How damaging would that be for IRL? No doubt the usual suspects would be calling for NSW and Queensland to be international teams. 

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GB Tour to Australasia could be a great idea but quite frankly I want to see England play someone in the UK at some point in the next 18 months, not have to wait until Autumn 2016 at the earliest, although that assumes the NRL clubs don't ask for another fallow year ahead of the World Cup (and yes I am ignoring any Exiles fixtures as they really don't count for anything IMO).

 

I would much sooner see a European Nations cup in 2015 with England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France plus ANOther for example so that I can get to an international rugby match. I don't care if the games involving England are a bit one sided, I would love to see Danny Brough line up for Scotland against Sinfield or Widdop, Matty Russell v Tomkins or Hardaker. I'm sure you could get decent crowds for France v Scotland in Avignon for example, or Wales v Scotland in Wrexham or England v Scotland at Huddersfield.

 

Any GB tour needs to be planned properly and should be post 2017 at the earliest.

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Lets not be pedantic about GB or UK definitions as you may wish to look up what countries actually constitute GB...My point in the previous post that last year's WC already galvanised the international game and showed the way forward to develop it; being nostalgic about the past is not it!

I'm not being pedantic, merely making the point that you don't need political union to exist for there to be a team that represents the British Isles

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The basis for it seems to be based on other people's reactions:

A) It will grow the game in the UK due to GB being 'high profile' - even though 100 years of GB did nothing to grow the sport outside of England

Your "100 years of GB" is off — there was no such team as Great Britain until after World War II.  Games against Australia and New Zealand before then involved England, not GB, as programs and advertisements from those years show very clearly.  As I've said before,

 

Tours where the same countries play each other over and over again = a small-time international sport with too few contries for a real international program.  They're a relic of the past and should stay in the past.

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