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Joe Whitley

RFL want Great Britain tour in 2015

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Mind you outside of the top elite even basketball and others have a aspect of touring teams.   As regards to Rugby of both codes touring has been and continues to be a traditional that is maintained at all levels.   Even where the world cup is the pinnacle international touring helps build the team towards those pinnacles of competition and brings huge fans and media attention.  We should maintain our own traditions irrespective of other sports and ensure tours are a part of the game at all levels including top elite.

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I believe a tour to Australia is a none starter.  They are just not interested.

 

Following on from the success of the World Cup though it would be nice to get the Pacific Islands more involved in international RL.

 

Why not have a tour of New Zealand in 2015, I'm sure they would be more receptive than the Aussies.  As there is a large Islander population in NZ the tour could incorporate games against the Island teams as well, to be played throughout the country.

 

Maybe a Pacific Nations cup could be run alongside the tour featuring Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, PNG and Cook Islands, with games being held as curtain-raisers to the Lions games.

 

An itinery could be something like this:

 

Week 1
Weekend Lions v Samoa, Tonga v Cook Islands, Fiji v PNG
Mid Week Lions v Fiji
 
Week 2
Weekend Lions v NZ(First test), Tonga v Samoa, Fiji v Cook Islands
Mid Week Lions v PNG
 
Week 3
Weekend Lions v Tonga, Fiji v Samoa, Cook Islands v PNG
Mid Week Lions v Cook Islands
 
Week 4
Weekend Lions v NZ(Second test), Samoa v Cook Islands, Tonga v PNG
Mid Week Lions v NZ Mauri
 
Week 5
Weekend Lions v NZ(Third test), Tonga v Fiji, Samoa v PNG
Mid Week Lions v PNG
 
Week 6
Top 2 teams in PN Cup play in final
 

I personally think a Lions tour every 4 years is the best option.  In 2019 take it to Australia (they may be interested by then). In 2023 another tour similar to what I have suggested above in NZ but maybe the games against the Island teams could be hosted on the Islands themselves?

 

I would hold the Pacific Nations cup every year or at the least every 2 years.  This may stop players defecting to Aus & NZ.

 

Please feel free to blast holes through this idea if you think its garbage!

 

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I would agree in focusing on NZ, with tours to NZ and them to here.   When we tour NZ for a 3 test tour we also have "mid week" games or pre-NZ tours games against pacific island teams.   If tours prove to be big media interest plus money spinner then eventually Aussies may be interested.   I'm also assuming its up to pacific island nations if they want a pacific island competition. The tours being icing on the cake whether they are around the same time or different times of the year.

 

Of course when NZ tour here for a x3 test tour they also have "mid week" team games against France, and home nations, etc

 

Nothing new here, its what works extremely well in that other Rugby code we don't like to imitate, even if it makes sense as well for our game.

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I would agree in focusing on NZ, with tours to NZ and them to here.   When we tour NZ for a 3 test tour we also have "mid week" games or pre-NZ tours games against pacific island teams.   If tours prove to be big media interest plus money spinner then eventually Aussies may be interested.   I'm also assuming its up to pacific island nations if they want a pacific island competition. The tours being icing on the cake whether they are around the same time or different times of the year.

 

It's my understanding that the Pacific Island teams have had a limited number of games against each other due to the financial constraints involved.  None of them have much cash to throw about.  Remember the proposed Samoan tour to this country the other year that was scrapped due to funding issues.

 

Running a Pacific Nations Cup alongside a Lions tour would kill 2 birds with one stone.  It would reduce costs if double (or even triple) header events are scheduled in the same stadium.  Stadiums are more likely to be full if 4 (or 6) sets of fans attend the same event.

 

The island teams provided some of the best rugby and best memories from last years World Cup.  Are we going to do the usual trick of saying "Thanks for coming, see you again in 4 years time!"

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I believe a tour to Australia is a none starter. They are just not interested.

Following on from the success of the World Cup though it would be nice to get the Pacific Islands more involved in international RL.

Why not have a tour of New Zealand in 2015, I'm sure they would be more receptive than the Aussies. As there is a large Islander population in NZ the tour could incorporate games against the Island teams as well, to be played throughout the country.

Maybe a Pacific Nations cup could be run alongside the tour featuring Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, PNG and Cook Islands, with games being held as curtain-raisers to the Lions games.

An itinery could be something like this:

Week 1

Weekend Lions v Samoa, Tonga v Cook Islands, Fiji v PNG

Mid Week Lions v Fiji

Week 2

Weekend Lions v NZ(First test), Tonga v Samoa, Fiji v Cook Islands

Mid Week Lions v PNG

Week 3

Weekend Lions v Tonga, Fiji v Samoa, Cook Islands v PNG

Mid Week Lions v Cook Islands

Week 4

Weekend Lions v NZ(Second test), Samoa v Cook Islands, Tonga v PNG

Mid Week Lions v NZ Mauri

Week 5

Weekend Lions v NZ(Third test), Tonga v Fiji, Samoa v PNG

Mid Week Lions v PNG

Week 6

Top 2 teams in PN Cup play in final

I personally think a Lions tour every 4 years is the best option. In 2019 take it to Australia (they may be interested by then). In 2023 another tour similar to what I have suggested above in NZ but maybe the games against the Island teams could be hosted on the Islands themselves?

I would hold the Pacific Nations cup every year or at the least every 2 years. This may stop players defecting to Aus & NZ.

Please feel free to blast holes through this idea if you think its garbage!

I dont think that this would be financially viable......

Tours are outdated and the ru lions only tour a country once a every 12 years, and there tours are also outdated....

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It's my understanding that the Pacific Island teams have had a limited number of games against each other due to the financial constraints involved. None of them have much cash to throw about. Remember the proposed Samoan tour to this country the other year that was scrapped due to funding issues.

Running a Pacific Nations Cup alongside a Lions tour would kill 2 birds with one stone. It would reduce costs if double (or even triple) header events are scheduled in the same stadium. Stadiums are more likely to be full if 4 (or 6) sets of fans attend the same event.

The island teams provided some of the best rugby and best memories from last years World Cup. Are we going to do the usual trick of saying "Thanks for coming, see you again in 4 years time!"

if it's not financially viable for 2 teams to play in a stadium why would it be for 4?

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That's why I would like to see a European Championship and an Oceania Championship in RL. I'm going to keep banging on about it until the RLIF decide to have one!

I agree but I would have it as NH and SH so there is the potential to include more teams. They could be played in 2015 with the top 2/3 teams qualifying for 2016 4/6 nations. There could be more regional type competitions mid season which could be used as qualifiers for the NH and SH competitions.

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I dont think that this would be financially viable......

Tours are outdated and the ru lions only tour a country once a every 12 years, and there tours are also outdated....

 

The B&I Lions tour of Australia in 2013 attracted 389,390 fans to 9 games at an average of 43,265. The Tour was worth a reported au$40,000,000 to the ARU and helped wipe out a massive deficit that they were carrying. The estimated touring tourists numbered 30,000, ploughing millions in cash into the local economy, whilst SKY TV in the UK reported a peak audience of over 1 million for the final test at 10am on a Saturday morning whilst that game was the 3rd highest FTA TV show that day in Australia after 2 news bulletins as well as attracting another 427,000 on Pay TV as well. Oh...and 250,000 Kiwis tuned in as well. The tour was also covered live in Ireland, France, the USA, Italy, SA and around the world.

HSBC sponsor the team, along with partners Adidas, Microsoft, Thomas Pink, Qantas, Gilbert and DHL.

The 2013 Tour cost £14,000,000 to run (including £45k each for the players) but generated a profit of over £4,000,000 for the 4 nations Unions.

 

Please...define outdated?

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I wouldn't give a hoot if it was outdated or not if we could get sponsors like those and such like. The reality is though that we never have and that is unlikely to change.

And its also pointless comparing us with RU.

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I wouldn't give a hoot if it was outdated or not if we could get sponsors like those and such like. The reality is though that we never have and that is unlikely to change.

And its also pointless comparing us with RU.

I simply pointed out that "their" tours were not outdated as claimed....even a loon like me can see that the comparison between the codes in this case is pointless.

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I simply pointed out that "their" tours were not outdated as claimed....even a loon like me can see that the comparison between the codes in this case is pointless.

Yeah it wasn't a pop at you but some people just think the fact that it is successful in RU is reason in itself. They are successful in RU for quite a few reasons, hardly any of which apply to RL.

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Yeah it wasn't a pop at you but some people just think the fact that it is successful in RU is reason in itself. They are successful in RU for quite a few reasons, hardly any of which apply to RL.

But the same argument can be made for tournaments. I think the solution for RL is a combination of both, given the limited number of competitive nations currently playing the sport.

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It's my understanding that the Pacific Island teams have had a limited number of games against each other due to the financial constraints involved.  None of them have much cash to throw about.  Remember the proposed Samoan tour to this country the other year that was scrapped due to funding issues.

 

Running a Pacific Nations Cup alongside a Lions tour would kill 2 birds with one stone.  It would reduce costs if double (or even triple) header events are scheduled in the same stadium.  Stadiums are more likely to be full if 4 (or 6) sets of fans attend the same event.

 

The island teams provided some of the best rugby and best memories from last years World Cup.  Are we going to do the usual trick of saying "Thanks for coming, see you again in 4 years time!"

 

Just with regards to the cancelled Samoan tour, which was disappointing for it to be cancelled.   Where was the funding issue as a matter of interest. If its up to the RFL to invite touring teams isn't the cost and hopeful recovery of those costs up to the RFL in ensuring a success or not as the case may be. Thus I'm assuming lack of interest here with sponsors and media was the reason it was cancelled rather than Samoa funding issues.

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Yeah it wasn't a pop at you but some people just think the fact that it is successful in RU is reason in itself. They are successful in RU for quite a few reasons, hardly any of which apply to RL.

 

Well yep but sometimes we can learn from other sports whilst still considering those aspects which may not apply to RL.  I don't think anyone thinks just because it was a success in RU is reason enough but it should be a indicator and not just dismissed.

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When will RL in England lose it's Union angst???

If having a tour would be a success then have a tour

If having a World Cup would be a success then have a World Cup

If having a tournament would be a success then have a tournament

RL is a great game in its own right ,weather Union or any other sport does or doesn't do something is no way to decide if it's a good Idea for RL or not.

If RL don't want to do something simply because Union does it you might as well give up and apply to the RFU For Re-unification!!

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Well yep but sometimes we can learn from other sports whilst still considering those aspects which may not apply to RL. I don't think anyone thinks just because it was a success in RU is reason enough but it should be a indicator and not just dismissed.

Yes there's nothing wrong with learning from others but it's not like we have never had tours is it? They could announce a GB tour tomorrow but it doesn't mean that it will be well attended or sponsored. (Unfortunately)

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I think the solution for RL is a combination of both, given the limited number of competitive nations currently playing the sport.

 

I'd agree with that but instead of re-fabricating GB, let Wales, Scotland, Ireland et al "tour" as well as England; that would be a real incentive for players to play for their heritage nations rather than them simply turning out for a World Cup. It would also reward players who have turned out for their 'nations' continuously.

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Just with regards to the cancelled Samoan tour, which was disappointing for it to be cancelled.   Where was the funding issue as a matter of interest. If its up to the RFL to invite touring teams isn't the cost and hopeful recovery of those costs up to the RFL in ensuring a success or not as the case may be. Thus I'm assuming lack of interest here with sponsors and media was the reason it was cancelled rather than Samoa funding issues.

 

http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/200140/sport-attempts-to-salvage-toa-samoa-tour-fall-through

 

The squad were due to be funded by the Samoan government. Sifa is the Samoan governments offshore finance body, and its through them that they fund Samoan sport (Sifa.ws is usually the shirt sponsor). Apparently, the money that was due to be used for the RL tour was diverted to help out the RU side. The above story confirms it was the government funding that led to the tour being cancelled, but, not surprisingly, doesn't mention where the government money went instead. 

 

Ahead of last years World Cup, it was the Samoan government that threatened to stop all funding for the Samoan RL side if they "embarrass us again". 

 

http://samoaobserver.ws/other/sports-affairs/7480-sifa-splashes-650000-on-toa

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http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/200140/sport-attempts-to-salvage-toa-samoa-tour-fall-through

 

The squad were due to be funded by the Samoan government. Sifa is the Samoan governments offshore finance body, and its through them that they fund Samoan sport (Sifa.ws is usually the shirt sponsor). Apparently, the money that was due to be used for the RL tour was diverted to help out the RU side. The above story confirms it was the government funding that led to the tour being cancelled, but, not surprisingly, doesn't mention where the government money went instead. 

 

Ahead of last years World Cup, it was the Samoan government that threatened to stop all funding for the Samoan RL side if they "embarrass us again". 

 

http://samoaobserver.ws/other/sports-affairs/7480-sifa-splashes-650000-on-toa

 

No surprise given their PM is also the Chairman of the Samoan Rugby Union.

 

What do they mean by 'embarrass us again'? Were they really expecting a nation like to Samoa to win the WC or something? 

 

"He said all rugby league players need to do is pick up the ball, run hard at the opponent and sidestep." Lmao. What a clown this guy is. 

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http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/200140/sport-attempts-to-salvage-toa-samoa-tour-fall-through

 

The squad were due to be funded by the Samoan government. Sifa is the Samoan governments offshore finance body, and its through them that they fund Samoan sport (Sifa.ws is usually the shirt sponsor). Apparently, the money that was due to be used for the RL tour was diverted to help out the RU side. The above story confirms it was the government funding that led to the tour being cancelled, but, not surprisingly, doesn't mention where the government money went instead. 

 

Ahead of last years World Cup, it was the Samoan government that threatened to stop all funding for the Samoan RL side if they "embarrass us again". 

 

http://samoaobserver.ws/other/sports-affairs/7480-sifa-splashes-650000-on-toa

 

Thanks for the info, interesting.  I also note the comment after this with regards to Samoan PM.

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If GB do tour Australasia in 2015, I guess this means no Four Nations, which would have been hosted in the NH? Ordinarily I would be in favour of a GB tour but it seems bizarre to squander the increased publicity of the sport from the WC by having two years of no home international games (not counting the game against the Exiles).

 

Also, in regards to a note about the Australians and SOO...is it a surprise that they consider it so highly? Looking at how uncompetitive most of their games were in the WC, and then how competitive SOO is, I don't blame them for ranking it so highly.

 

Btw, my first post so please be nice :-)

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No surprise given their PM is also the Chairman of the Samoan Rugby Union.

 

What do they mean by 'embarrass us again'? Were they really expecting a nation like to Samoa to win the WC or something? 

 

"He said all rugby league players need to do is pick up the ball, run hard at the opponent and sidestep." Lmao. What a clown this guy is. 

 

I think 'embarrass us again' is probably a reference to Samoas poor showing at the 2008 WC and the 2009 Pacific Cup, which they didn't even qualify for after losing to the Cooks. 

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If GB do tour Australasia in 2015, I guess this means no Four Nations, which would have been hosted in the NH? Ordinarily I would be in favour of a GB tour but it seems bizarre to squander the increased publicity of the sport from the WC by having two years of no home international games (not counting the game against the Exiles).

Also, in regards to a note about the Australians and SOO...is it a surprise that they consider it so highly? Looking at how uncompetitive most of their games were in the WC, and then how competitive SOO is, I don't blame them for ranking it so highly.

Btw, my first post so please be nice :-)

tbf Australia have competitive games against England and NZ, in fact Australia had to win back the world cup, outside these three the competition is weaker but if Australia just fielded Australian's then other teams would be stronger and them weaker and thus making the international scene more competitive. ...and that goes for NZ as well!

I agree it would be pathetic not to play at home for the best part of 3 years!

A euro comp is needed!

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tbf Australia have competitive games against England and NZ, in fact Australia had to win back the world cup, outside these three the competition is weaker but if Australia just fielded Australian's then other teams would be stronger and them weaker and thus making the international scene more competitive. ...and that goes for NZ as well!

I agree it would be pathetic not to play at home for the best part of 3 years!

A euro comp is needed!

How many of the Kangaroos World Cup Squad are not Australian ?

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How many of the Kangaroos World Cup Squad are not Australian ?

 

2, I think. Josh Papalii was born in NZ but his family moved to Aus when he was 6 years old. James Tamou is also a Kiwi and moved to Aus when he was 13. I was reading an interview with Tamou the other day where he said he has no regrets about playing for Aus, and said the World Cup was the highlight of his career.

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