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Bradford Appeal..

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Hmmm. This will upset a few people.

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Well, the old saying is that if you don't ask, you don't get.  It's really a no-lose situation for them if they appeal.

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To be honest, I think the points deduction should have been wiped out once they went back into admin (they never really came out of it) and a new points deduction given based on the new owner's purchasing terms

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To be honest, I think the points deduction should have been wiped out once they went back into admin (they never really came out of it) and a new points deduction given based on the new owner's purchasing terms

 

That would have been the most logical thing, you'd think. Still expecting the full 6 though.

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The most logical thing would actually have been to not impose the penalty until the ownership was sorted out, but hey ho...

 

Let's hope they don't prevaricate too much since, if they leave it until late into the season, the decision gets too bound up with the relegation situation, and I can hear the squeals from Wakefield already if the ruling then puts Wakey down and leaves us in SL.

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The most logical thing would actually have been to not impose the penalty until the ownership was sorted out, but hey ho...

 

Let's hope they don't prevaricate too much since, if they leave it until late into the season, the decision gets too bound up with the relegation situation, and I can hear the squeals from Wakefield already if the ruling then puts Wakey down and leaves us in SL.

I imagine they thought it was sorted out!

 

Either way, yes, it needs sorting out soon. I don't expect BB to get all the points back, I'd expect it to drop to 4 (depending on how much is being paid back to creditors)

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Interesting to note that coming from the local Bulls reporter that the final decision on this isn’t actually being made by the RFL, but an independent panel. They can choose to keep the current punishment, reduce it or deem that no punishment was necessary at all (!) and the RFL must accept the ruling whatever that may be. Although the club seem to be arguing the toss that administration was “unavoidable” rather than the paying creditors argument. I don’t think the current lot are paying any more creditors back than the last lot planned to – they had said they would pay everyone back except Mr. Khan. Has the new chairman indicated OK would get anything back?

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I imagine they thought it was sorted out!

 

Either way, yes, it needs sorting out soon. I don't expect BB to get all the points back, I'd expect it to drop to 4 (depending on how much is being paid back to creditors)

That'd be the fairest way.  If everyone gets a 100% payback then I see no reason why they can't get all points back.  If no-one gets anything then they should keep the entire points loss.

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That'd be the fairest way.  If everyone gets a 100% payback then I see no reason why they can't get all points back.  If no-one gets anything then they should keep the entire points loss.

 

Do the rules allow for the points to be reinstated if creditors are repaid or is it not that clear cut?

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Bradford is not the first club to go bust. It is a problem for the whole of Superleague. Therefore, the points loss should be shared by all the clubs.

 

;):tongue:

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I suggest the grounds for appeal, and the fact that those grounds have been accepted by the RFL who (presumably with the club) have agreed to be bound by the outcome, is much the most significant aspect of this announcement?

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Its bad enough going in to administration, but the worst thing is the way the club lied and used deceit to cover things up etc and people more prepared to point the blame at others, instead of sorting the real problems out. For me the 6 point deduction should stay and the same goes for any other club that goes in to administration and especially if it was to go like the Bulls saga. Clubs should be prepared to face a harsh penalty for being run so badly. And will the people who donated money get their money back? Its a disgrace that former players gave up medals to sell off and fans gave much money to a club that was being run in such a way. Maybe some former people should face a ban from RUgby League like Des Johnson received. 

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Its bad enough going in to administration, but the worst thing is the way the club lied and used deceit to cover things up etc and people more prepared to point the blame at others, instead of sorting the real problems out. For me the 6 point deduction should stay and the same goes for any other club that goes in to administration and especially if it was to go like the Bulls saga. Clubs should be prepared to face a harsh penalty for being run so badly. And will the people who donated money get their money back? Its a disgrace that former players gave up medals to sell off and fans gave much money to a club that was being run in such a way. Maybe some former people should face a ban from RUgby League like Des Johnson received. 

That was sooooo 2012 - the first administration - and the 6 points stuck; get with the times maaaaan!

 

 

 

 

I don't expect much, 2 at best, but it's certainly an interesting story and I doubt the why's and wherefore's of this appeal will come out. Too much legal mumbo jumbo I reckon.

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And will the people who donated money get their money back? Its a disgrace that former players gave up medals to sell off and fans gave much money to a club that was being run in such a way. Maybe some former people should face a ban from RUgby League like Des Johnson received. 

 

More people who were actually responsible should be held accountable - I agree - and it's a cliche, but it's true that the people who suffer usually have the least to do with it all (fans, players etc) rather than the people who get them into that mess.

 

Having said that the club has already been punished for that period where fans/players donated two years ago (three "owners" ago...!), you can't keep punishing them for that. I agree that there has been almost zero 'justice' in that regard, but what happened with the admin recently is a seperate issue to be fair.

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should be increased to 12 points serial offenders..............

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I don't expect much, 2 at best, but it's certainly an interesting story and I doubt the why's and wherefore's of this appeal will come out. Too much legal mumbo jumbo I reckon.

 

Do the Bulls have cash lying around to pay for a top legal team to challenge this (genuine question as I can see this costing them money they don't exactly have in abundance)?

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Do the Bulls have cash lying around to pay for a top legal team to challenge this (genuine question as I can see this costing them money they don't exactly have in abundance)?

 A legal challenge would cost many thousands, relegation could cost many millions.

 

I suppose the question is what's the odds on success with a legal challenge vs what's the odds on relegation without it.

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Relegation is between us and Wakefield. Both will be targetting games against each other, London, Widnes, Cats, Hull KR, Hull and Salford.

 

Can we do it? Probably not unless we get two points back.

 

Will we get two points back? I think we may.

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I think Bradford may get a couple of points back which will make the relegation battle more intruiging. However it needs to be sorted ASAP. From a London point of view it might actually help the cause by having Bradford fighting too so they take points off the likes of Wakey

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Six points is the precedent for going into admin, this can be mitigated down to 4 points if the new owner pays a number of creditors what was owed by the previous regime.

 

The potential complication here is that the new owner was owed money by the old regime and he could transfer money from A to B to C to make it look like he's paid money to creditors whilst actually only paying himself.

I'm sure the RFL are aware of that and won't collude with the Bulls in an attempt to dress this up as being legit and then try to sell it to the wider RL community by way of some half assed fancy worded press release expecting them to fall for it.

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Six points is the precedent for going into admin, this can be mitigated down to 4 points if the new owner pays a number of creditors what was owed by the previous regime.

 

The potential complication here is that the new owner was owed money by the old regime and he could transfer money from A to B to C to make it look like he's paid money to creditors whilst actually only paying himself.

I'm sure the RFL are aware of that and won't collude with the Bulls in an attempt to dress this up as being legit and then try to sell it to the wider RL community by way of some half assed fancy worded press release expecting them to fall for it.

 

This goes straight into my top ten favourite posts of all time.

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Six points is the precedent for going into admin, this can be mitigated down to 4 points if the new owner pays a number of creditors what was owed by the previous regime.

 

The potential complication here is that the new owner was owed money by the old regime and he could transfer money from A to B to C to make it look like he's paid money to creditors whilst actually only paying himself.

I'm sure the RFL are aware of that and won't collude with the Bulls in an attempt to dress this up as being legit and then try to sell it to the wider RL community by way of some half assed fancy worded press release expecting them to fall for it.

 

Good Lord - how does your mind work????

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Bradford is not the first club to go bust. It is a problem for the whole of Superleague. Therefore, the points loss should be shared by all the clubs.

 

;):tongue:

Chris Huhne's ex wife should take the lot.

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It does seem unfair that unlike other situations with the RFL there does not seem to be the opportunity to increase the penalty

http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29982/independent-panel-to-hear-bradford

 

The followers of the club who have suggested that the current regime should not be punished for the problems caused by a previous regime want their cake and the opportunity to eat it - the same suggestion was made by Luton Town FC at one point and rejected after their financial irregularities.

 

The fact that the RFL have been micro-managing the situation at Bradford for some considerable time and they will be selecting the 'independent panel' gives the result before the game is played.

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