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NRL or Super League? Which has the best standard of play?

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Just a general wonder what people think, is the nrl better or super league? Has Sam Tomkins' move shown which is more attractive? is State of Origin a factor? 

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It's not even a question , the NRL is the Worlds #1 comp ,with the NSW/QLD cups #2 and Super League just barely above the standard of the Holden Cup but that's only in Physicality not skill.

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I think 'standard' of play could be replaced by 'style' of play for this thread. The standard is not worth discussing but the styles are quite different. It could be argued that the UK has a more open fast flowing style to the NRL. Whether this is an ethos thing or just a measure of the strength of defences is another matter.

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It depends which team you are watching, the standard is different for them all. If it's NZ Warriors vs Cronulla or Wigan vs Saints, then Wigan vs Saints is a much higher standard.

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Couldn't care less about 'physicality' or 'intensity', I prefer to watch SL because is it more free flowing and the atmosphere is a million times better. 

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I like the SL style more than NRL

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It's not even a question , the NRL is the Worlds #1 comp ,with the NSW/QLD cups #2 and Super League just barely above the standard of the Holden Cup but that's only in Physicality not skill.

You're having a laugh surely about the NSW/QLD cup? Interesting that the World Cup showed how some UK Championship players were not bad either.

NRL is better quality than super league and can be more exciting/entertaining but not all the time. Wigan vs Saints over anything the NRL can provide any day of the week.

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When English clubs were winning the World Club Challenge fairly regularly, it was possible to argue that even if the NRL was generally a higher standard, the top SL clubs were among the elite. These days the Aussies win the WCC and it is hard to pretend that the NRL isn't a higher standard.

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The weather has a heap to do with how the games are played, the last round of NRL i watched, play'd in the wet didn't look that crash hot.

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Better standard is obviously the NRL. Its not so much the players are so much better than Sl, but its the fact that the NRL clubs have far better training facilities and state of the art enviroments that make players better. Maybe if SL clubs had spent the money of Melbourne, Brisbane, Souths, Bulldogs, Manly etc have on training facilities etc then the standard of SL would improve. Sadly SL is a comp that has to accept that 6 or 7 clubs are in a constant battle to survive and the rest are struggling to get anywhere near the worst NRL clubs spending 

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SL is far better entertainment. Too many NRL games lack real excitement....just watched warriors v bulldogs, far more entertainment in cats v widnes on Sat.

The ? was ambiguous. Yes NRL teams will always be favourites to beat our clubs but they are less watchable.

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I watch Rugby League! I can enjoy both, also amateur games and every level in between because I like Rugby League.

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It's not even a question , the NRL is the Worlds #1 comp ,with the NSW/QLD cups #2 and Super League just barely above the standard of the Holden Cup but that's only in Physicality not skill.

 

Close - NSW / QLD Cup teams are competitive with the lower half of super league (not just London Broncos) IMO having watched both

 

I would love it if a Queensland Cup XIII took on the cream of the Championship. Mind you at the current rate that might well be the "World Club Challenge" of the future.

 

 

But how come players are switching from the NRL to Super League?

 

Money and the chance to top up their retirement fund. No good player in their prime comes to Super League from the NRL unless there are "off field problems" which puts them off limit for other NRL sides.

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The NRL is clearly a higher standard, but not by the amount that the average Aussie would have you believe.

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Money and the chance to top up their retirement fund. No good player in their prime comes to Super League from the NRL unless there are "off field problems" which puts them off limit for other NRL sides.

Luke Walsh not considered a good player in the NRL then?  That's not what the pundits said when I watched every Penrith game last season.

 

As for the first of the OP's questions: having watched NRL and SL weekly for the last two seasons I think the competitions are the same overall standard except that the poorer clubs in Superleague are poorer than the poorer clubs in the NRL (although the poorer clubs in the NRL look demonstrably poorer than the good clubs in the Superleague and NRL).  What differs between the two comps is the style rather than the skill level.  The NRL is more structured whereas the SL is more open.  When SL style is played to a high standard I much prefer it.  I prefer it even when it isn't played to an especially high standard.  It is relatively rare to find an open style of NRL game.  Thankfully, these days, we are less likely to see an NRL style game in the Superleague than a couple of seasons back.

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NRL is the better standard without any doubt but some will say this professionalism leads to duller games. You're not likely to see a finish like Cas-Saints down under with the ball being tossed around from wing to wing, not that that you see anything like that often in SL either. Some might say that's down to SL teams being more entertaining whereas I'd lean towards NRL defences being a fair bit better so you wouldn't get away with it.

 

When all SL & NRL + Championship were on last year, I'd quite often enjoy the Championship game more than any of the other offerings so quality doesn't necessarily equal the best game. I'd still say I enjoy NRL the most though. I'd say this is down to it being more competitive than the other leagues with any team capable of beating anyone, particularly this year. There are still routs but they're not guaranteed, see Wigan-London or Leeds-Wakefield this week and compare to say Manly-Wests last week (2nd vs 2nd bottom last year) for NRL's unpredictability.

 

One of my pet hates from back when I had Sky and I presume they still do this. Whenever someone does something spectacular in a SL game, Eddie will start going on about how everybody would be raving about this play if it was an Aussie doing this. Not sure which people he was on about. I think we all know both leagues have hugely talented players capable of something special, it's just the NRL has more of them unfortunately.

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Of course if the NRL is truly lightyears ahead, that would explain the number of SL players going over there and standing out. Even players like Luke Burgess and Mike Cooper are regulars in the NRL, but weren't in SL. No doubt the NRL fanboys will claim that the NRL made James Graham, Gareth Ellis and Adrian Morley the players they are today. 

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One of my pet hates from back when I had Sky and I presume they still do this. Whenever someone does something spectacular in a SL game, Eddie will start going on about how everybody would be raving about this play if it was an Aussie doing this. Not sure which people he was on about. I think we all know both leagues have hugely talented players capable of something special, it's just the NRL has more of them unfortunately.

The point Eddie makes is a valid one and I think a number of posters on here are backing him up.  Take Tommy Makinson's acrobatic tries.  We ooh and aah at similar tries scored in the NRL but do we do that when we watch Tommy Makinson?  Are we bigging him up in the way the wingers performing such tries in the NRL are bigged up by English fans for doing the same thing?  Eddie suggests not, and I would agree with him.  As a sport we should be boasting about T Mak's try scoring ability.  How many wingers in the NRL can pull off such tries?  Very few.  And they don't do it very often.  My guess is that when people on here see NRL players pulling off such tries they don't talk about poor defences or a lower standard of play or whatever but they wonder at the try being scored.  Those same people will, however, say that Tommy Makinson scoring such tries is probably because the opposition defences are poor or the referee is bent and he wouldn't be able to pull such tries off against NRL opposition.  And there you have the real problem IMO.  So many SL fans kiss Aussie ass rather than point to those among our own stock who are on equal terms - and we have enough of them if only we would recognise them and celebrate them.

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And there you have the real problem IMO.  So many SL fans kiss Aussie ass rather than point to those among our own stock who are on equal terms - and we have enough of them if only we would recognise them and celebrate them.

 

Yep, the sad thing for me is that, I feel England's current coach is the same! When he was running around to find as many NRL Aussies as possible to get in the England squad, Jack Reed and Chris Heighnington were drafted into the squad for the 4 Nations and I can't say either stood out. Now with MacNamara at an NRL team, I feel he will be looking out for even more players to call up. The problem is all about mental issues, players need to believe they can beat the Aussies and they need to have a coach who they believe also believes that they can. All this talk about NRL this and Origin that, but unless we believe 100% we can beat them, we won't. We need to stop treating the Aussies as demi-Gods and start realising we have players that are just as good. 

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It depends which team you are watching, the standard is different for them all. If it's NZ Warriors vs Cronulla or Wigan vs Saints, then Wigan vs Saints is a much higher standard.

. Warriors vs cronulla would be far better !!!!

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The point Eddie makes is a valid one and I think a number of posters on here are backing him up.  Take Tommy Makinson's acrobatic tries.  We ooh and aah at similar tries scored in the NRL but do we do that when we watch Tommy Makinson?  Are we bigging him up in the way the wingers performing such tries in the NRL are bigged up by English fans for doing the same thing?  Eddie suggests not, and I would agree with him.  As a sport we should be boasting about T Mak's try scoring ability.  How many wingers in the NRL can pull off such tries?  Very few.  And they don't do it very often.  My guess is that when people on here see NRL players pulling off such tries they don't talk about poor defences or a lower standard of play or whatever but they wonder at the try being scored.  Those same people will, however, say that Tommy Makinson scoring such tries is probably because the opposition defences are poor or the referee is bent and he wouldn't be able to pull such tries off against NRL opposition.  And there you have the real problem IMO.  So many SL fans kiss Aussie ass rather than point to those among our own stock who are on equal terms - and we have enough of them if only we would recognise them and celebrate them.

I can only speak for myself here but I ooh and aah (though not always out loud) whichever league the spectacular try is scored in. It always felt to me like a little bit of northern chippiness when I'd hear Eddie saying this. SL is a great product and we don't need to compare ourselves to the NRL whenever we do something good. Celebrate it for the great bit of skill it is rather than commenting on how we don't pat ourselves on the back enough.

 

As for bigging up our wingers, don't we already have WBW in Ryan Hall. You can't pay a much bigger compliment than that and I see that often on here. I'd put him second myself behind Brett Morris but there's not much in it.

 

I think you'd struggle to find anyone who's not impressed with Makinson this year, certainly not with his finishing. Think Charnley will be kicking his heels in the 4 Nations if Makinson's form continues. Add in Burgess from Wigan, Briscoe at Leeds and Johnson at Salford and he might be struggling to make the squad. Plus Swift and Lineham at Hull and I don't think we're too shabby out wide.

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