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Is a new power rising in the Championship

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I think Dewsbury's progress both on and off the field currently being under the radar would suit both the owner and the coaching staff. I believe they will have more of a say than Doncaster this year. Not only are performances impressive (although not Swiss watch consistent), they are starting to capture some interest. 

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Any team coming up will need a sugar daddy because the switch to fulltime professionalism won't be fully met by the tv money. On top of this there is a marketing programme to run and possibly a commitment to community development of RL. None of the prospective promoted clubs will draw more than 6000 fans.

 

P&R might bring up overall standards in the long term but, in the short term, it could be a recipe for financial collapse.

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So back to the point about Doncaster= They have so much potential- they could be the next Huddersfield

 

 

You mean top of the league and no crowds?

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It's good to see both Doncaster and Sheffield doing well in the Championship.  I have often felt that South Yorkshire could embrace RL given the right opportunities, especially at the moment with none of the football teams breaking any pots.

 

It would be good if the Keepmoat could host a Challenge Cup semi, especially if two Yorkshire teams are drawn together.

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Doncaster in SL would be toast.

 

Lindsey predicted they would crash and burn last time they entered the top flight, no reason for it to be different in the future.

 

Having now upset all the championship wanabbees, its not impossible, but they are going to need a lot of money thrown at them. A serious amount.

 

Until the RFL and the SL clubs take expansion seriously, that means funding it, outlying clubs are going to suffer.

 

Competing with Wigan, Leeds Saints etc. isn't cheap.

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It would be good if the Keepmoat could host a Challenge Cup semi, especially if two Yorkshire teams are drawn together.

It already has done.

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It already has done.

I meant this year, it has been overlooked in recent seasons.

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Doncaster in SL would be toast.

 

Lindsey predicted they would crash and burn last time they entered the top flight, no reason for it to be different in the future.

 

Having now upset all the championship wanabbees, its not impossible, but they are going to need a lot of money thrown at them. A serious amount.

 

Until the RFL and the SL clubs take expansion seriously, that means funding it, outlying clubs are going to suffer.

 

Competing with Wigan, Leeds Saints etc. isn't cheap.

Who believes that Doncaster would be the beneficiary if the RFL did fund "expansion"?

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It's good to see both Doncaster and Sheffield doing well in the Championship.  I have often felt that South Yorkshire could embrace RL given the right opportunities, especially at the moment with none of the football teams breaking any pots....

Maybe if they merged they could beat Cumbria to a Super League Place?

 

 

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There’s no doubt that Doncaster have become a “power” of sorts in the Championship. Look at the league table. But can this be re-interpreted as the rise of a potential Superleague club? Not in a “Million” years.

 

Whether it’s traditional clubs along the M62 or peripheral clubs within reach of it like Doncaster, Sheffield and North Wales, relative success in a semi-professional “Championship” league comes from two things, some money to outbid rivals, and the accessibility of semi pro or low cost pro players.

 

It’s nice to think if you sit atop the Championship you are one step away from being a Superleague club, and even nicer to think you can make that step in a year thanks to annual P & R, then you’ve made it, but there is the small matter of finding a few £Million pounds to operate at the higher level, finding the best part of 10,000 speccies, and finding a decent professional squad to compete to attract those fans as they mainly won’t come to watch losers. See the relegation crowds.

 

The transition of course can be made, but as we have seen with a number of small clubs whether Celtic C, Huddersfield, Gateshead, Salford, Sheffield, HKR, Widnes London B. etc, it takes between £1/2 - £3Million pounds a year gifted from a rich man to simply keep a foothold in the lower reaches of Superleague.

 

Massive sums of charity can make up for few fans, no professional junior base and a desire for the best players to avoid joining you like the plague, but the house of cards can only stand as long as the rich man stands. It would be nice to think that any club funded in this way could grow to stand on it’s own two feet given enough time, but the journey Salford took with Wilkinson, and the journeys Fartown and London have taken may just disprove that notion.

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If there had been a sugar daddy in South Yorkshire, he/she/it would have tried to buy the Don Valley Stadium, ripped the track out and laid a 3g multisport surface.

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There’s no doubt that Doncaster have become a “power” of sorts in the Championship. Look at the league table. But can this be re-interpreted as the rise of a potential Superleague club? Not in a “Million” years.

 

Whether it’s traditional clubs along the M62 or peripheral clubs within reach of it like Doncaster, Sheffield and North Wales, relative success in a semi-professional “Championship” league comes from two things, some money to outbid rivals, and the accessibility of semi pro or low cost pro players.

 

It’s nice to think if you sit atop the Championship you are one step away from being a Superleague club, and even nicer to think you can make that step in a year thanks to annual P & R, then you’ve made it, but there is the small matter of finding a few £Million pounds to operate at the higher level, finding the best part of 10,000 speccies, and finding a decent professional squad to compete to attract those fans as they mainly won’t come to watch losers. See the relegation crowds.

 

The transition of course can be made, but as we have seen with a number of small clubs whether Celtic C, Huddersfield, Gateshead, Salford, Sheffield, HKR, Widnes London B. etc, it takes between £1/2 - £3Million pounds a year gifted from a rich man to simply keep a foothold in the lower reaches of Superleague.

 

Massive sums of charity can make up for few fans, no professional junior base and a desire for the best players to avoid joining you like the plague, but the house of cards can only stand as long as the rich man stands. It would be nice to think that any club funded in this way could grow to stand on it’s own two feet given enough time, but the journey Salford took with Wilkinson, and the journeys Fartown and London have taken may just disprove that notion.

 

1. The title of the thread is "Is a new power rising in  the CHAMPIONSHIP " not SL.

 

2. Castleford are currently 2nd. Where is their rich man and 1/2 to 3 million a year ?

 

3. Which clubs are standing on their own two feet without investor input ? Even Wigan Warrington and Leeds have built their successes on initial large  infusion of investor funds so why could a Doncaster or any other club not, at least, replicate the Huddersfield or Castleford examples.

 

4. When anybody ever suggests possible success in Sl for a club on the outside looking in, people jump on the proposal as if it should happen tomorrow. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will future new entrants to SL but progress along the way to that future looks to be being made at several locations. As Kennedy said about going to the moon "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not ".

 

After the 2000 World Cup the question could have been asked, " Why would we ever organise another one, what a disaster ? ". Two successful competitions later that question has been asked and answered in a resoundingly positive way.

 

Doncaster got to the top tier and failed. Does that mean it could never happen again and be successful.? History would support that it could. He who dares wins.

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Rugby league expansion should be into towns like Doncaster, Sheffield and York. These are outposts; slightly outside the heartlands but rugby league is being played there, although it is struggling.

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Rugby league expansion should be into towns like Doncaster, Sheffield. These are outposts; slightly outside the heartlands but rugby league is being played there, although it is struggling.

 

Well Gavin if your saying this because these clubs can put a team together from players M62 SL clubs don't want & journeymen like other championship clubs then fine, just the problem of attracting a crowd.

 

They may be one or two steps off Superleague but they are very very big steps indeed.

 

Aren't Donny a bit of a Hull "A" team at the moment with Cook and his connections? 

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Why not just pat Donny on the back for achieving a massive result on Sunday.

 

The need to undermine their achievements and recognise there's quite a bit of talent in the Championships at the moment does you no credit.

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Why not just pat Donny on the back for achieving a massive result on Sunday.

 

The need to undermine their achievements and recognise there's quite a bit of talent in the Championships at the moment does you no credit.

 

Where do you get "Massive result" from.

 

There were 8 points in it between two good championship sides. Last years same fixture had six points in it?

 

Dons adjusted to the Championship in style last season losing only two games in the last ten to the same club. They've done well this year too, well done Donny.

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Where do you get "Massive result" from.

 

There were 8 points in it between two good championship sides. Last years same fixture had six points in it?

 

Dons adjusted to the Championship in style last season losing only two games in the last ten to the same club. They've done well this year too, well done Donny.

 

It's a massive result because Leigh were unbeaten in the league until this point and almost knocked Leeds out of he cup at Headingley to boot.t's a grat win for them.

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It's a massive result because Leigh were unbeaten in the league until this point and almost knocked Leeds out of he cup at Headingley to boot.t's a grat win for them.

 

He clearly knows nothing about RL, or at least no idea how to celebrate it.

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For me one of the biggest hurdles Doncaster face is what's often portrayed as a plus - The Keepmoat.

I'm suffering a bit at the moment with what I hope is a temporary disability.

I walked passed the ticket office to go to the turnstile only to be sent back to buy a ticket, there was no indication that I should purchase one at the ticket office BEFORE going to the entrance.

I was then told that there was no public access to the buffet/bar other than climbing the grandstand steps, so no refreshment for the disabled!

It seems these problems were caused by lazy/inefficient stewards so perhaps that was just a blip.

But with the relatively low crowds Donny get and their share of costs for the stadium upkeep they cannot be making any money through the gate.

They do play attractive rugby though and my concern is their reliance on Paul Cooke Whois playing out of his skin at the moment.

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With Bradford and London going down this season.It will be interesting to see who goes up and down next year.Bradford have to be nailed on to go right back up.

Cant see anyone else making it.Salford would have probably been in the championship but for Dr Marwan.

Incredible luck.

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ALL the clubs in the Championship would be strengthened hugely if the prize money for this season was more evenly spread. Giving the top two clubs in the league nearly half a million each (especially the already cash rich Leigh) is ridiculous. Should the money be more fairly divided, then we'd see an even stronger competition.

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ALL the clubs in the Championship would be strengthened hugely if the prize money for this season was more evenly spread. Giving the top two clubs in the league nearly half a million each (especially the already cash rich Leigh) is ridiculous. Should the money be more fairly divided, then we'd see an even stronger competition.

The way i see it at the moment is,the sport want two more professional clubs so its financing that.

 

Most other clubs in the championship will be given extra money to help develop players for sl clubs,In other words ,farm clubs are here to stay and the sport is going to finance it.

 

Several clubs in the championship are stronger this season for being farm clubs.Next season when they get there hands on more money they should be even stronger and in a position to give the top 4 or 5 clubs much tougher games throughout the season

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For me one of the biggest hurdles Doncaster face is what's often portrayed as a plus - The Keepmoat.

I'm suffering a bit at the moment with what I hope is a temporary disability.

I walked passed the ticket office to go to the turnstile only to be sent back to buy a ticket, there was no indication that I should purchase one at the ticket office BEFORE going to the entrance.

I was then told that there was no public access to the buffet/bar other than climbing the grandstand steps, so no refreshment for the disabled!

It seems these problems were caused by lazy/inefficient stewards so perhaps that was just a blip.

But with the relatively low crowds Donny get and their share of costs for the stadium upkeep they cannot be making any money through the gate.

They do play attractive rugby though and my concern is their reliance on Paul Cooke Whois playing out of his skin at the moment.

 

The Keepmote is light years ahead of Tattersfield and Rovers former home and galaxies ahead of Stainforth greyhounds and is an ideal facility for the club to move forward but your complaints are genuine and if the Dons are on the ball with their marketing and game day services they will be taken to heart and addressed in a positive manner.

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ALL the clubs in the Championship would be strengthened hugely if the prize money for this season was more evenly spread. Giving the top two clubs in the league nearly half a million each (especially the already cash rich Leigh) is ridiculous. Should the money be more fairly divided, then we'd see an even stronger competition.

 

I agree and don't forget the parachute payments to reward failure at London and Bradford.

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