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Just a very large "Thank You"

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I think this is all about whatever you are willing to accept. I couldn't accept that the best rugby league that was going to be available to watch was a team that couldn't rise any higher than 5th or 6th in the Championship just because we were too stubborn to admit that trying to keep 2 part-time professional clubs going in our small area was working against each other.

Two small clubs, and no matter how big we believe we are, that is what we are and if we drop in to Championship 1 we will be classed as amongst the smallest of RL clubs. Two small clubs each fighting to survive and fighting for the same pots of local sponsorship money and the same small pool of local players. Gates falling year on year and yet we expect the clubs to be signing top players on top money to get us in to the top 9 of the Championship.

I have followed Town since I was 8 years old and my parents were both officials of the then Town Supporters club so I have quite a bit of history in the club but if rugby league is to survive in the area for my childrens grand-children to enjoy then there has to be a coming together with our neighbours (not them lot down the road). It's as simple as that.

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I've just done a Survey Monkey survey from the RFL about Rugby League in general but also had specific questions about what I like and don't at live games I go to and why I go to watch games.

This type of thing could be done by Town but will require email addresses, then someone who has time to do it and then analyse the results, etc, etc.

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I would imagine a similar thing would be done in the review at some point if it's done properly

Hopefully to a wider selection of people than just RL forums. We need to know from people who have walked away from the game what would bring them back and how they see that happening. We get bogged down on these forums thinking we are the only people who matter in this debate but we need to know from these other people plus amateur clubs, schoolkids, general public, then we might just see what most people using logic and common sense see, not our bigoted views depending on which camp you happen to be in.

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The RLFC may wish for the two clubs to merge, but they will not guarantee S/L and they will not put up any money in order to develop a S/L team in the area.

S/L players are now demanding £60k to £150k a season and top class overseas players are on more, if the two clubs were to merge, where is the money going to come from ? Haven receive £45k a year from Nuclear Management Partnership, which is more than either team's annual gate income, all the RLFC is interested in is keeping a professional side in Cumbria and in my opinion they see a merger of two clubs a solution for the survival of one club for this area.

S/L is a pipe dream, who in this area has millions to put into a venture that would not see a break even return, loosing money year after year, the world cup games were a one off, complimentary tickets, kids free, more women attending the games due to accompanying kids due to the entertainment put on in the Town prior to the games, there were more none R/L supporters their than genuine fans, I would like to see a S/L team up here but experience shows that people say they would support S/L team, and when they are getting poor results your down to the diehards about 800 from both clubs, sorry don't think it will happen.

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The RLFC may wish for the two clubs to merge, but they will not guarantee S/L and they will not put up any money in order to develop a S/L team in the area.

S/L players are now demanding £60k to £150k a season and top class overseas players are on more, if the two clubs were to merge, where is the money going to come from ? Haven receive £45k a year from Nuclear Management Partnership, which is more than either team's annual gate income, all the RLFC is interested in is keeping a professional side in Cumbria and in my opinion they see a merger of two clubs a solution for the survival of one club for this area.

S/L is a pipe dream, who in this area has millions to put into a venture that would not see a break even return, loosing money year after year, the world cup games were a one off, complimentary tickets, kids free, more women attending the games due to accompanying kids due to the entertainment put on in the Town prior to the games, there were more none R/L supporters their than genuine fans, I would like to see a S/L team up here but experience shows that people say they would support S/L team, and when they are getting poor results your down to the diehards about 800 from both clubs, sorry don't think it will happen.

where did you get your info from to back up what you say in your opening paragraph was it from someone at the RFL?Everyones entitled to add their opinion and I am sure there will be obstacles to cross.

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Billy Bob, I think you are way out with your assumption that there was more non-RL supporters than genuine fans at the World Cup games. If you mean by genuine supporters the sum total of our two clubs then you would be correct but there were many people from amateur clubs and many ex-fans from both clubs.

As for where would the money come from, well you have quoted £45k that Haven get as if that was the only sponsorship money in the area. Add together what both clubs get and that would be for one club not two, plus I'm sure increased gates and the higher league we played in the more chance of better and bigger sponsors coming on board. That is what has happened at many SL clubs who have increased their turnover quite considerably. Two lotteries become one for one club and so on.

I get a bit tired of these "what if's" as if that was what was going to happen. "What if" we had a very successful SL team up here with everything in place underneath - Under 20's team, junior development working in conjunction with the Lillyhall Academy, top quality sponsorship, increased gates, excellent marketing, our own new stadium, attachments to the Lakes College, - but of course that could never happen, could it, because we are always doomed to fail.

I forgot to say as well from 2015 SL clubs are to receive £1.8 million per season for a salary cap of £1.6 million per season that's why they can pay big wages!!

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And your thinking that the clubs gate receipts are less than £45k you'll be a bit away there. Average gate of 600 plus derbies plus cup games would give you far more than £45k at an average of £10 per head would give you nearer £90k

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Billy Bob -

So you can only go to a Rugby League game if you are a fully paid up member of the RL fans society?

Total rubbish

RL should welcome every single person to its games regardless of whether its a total one-off or whether they can prove they were at the 1952 cup final or not.

That one visit is an opportunity to impress them with the game, the atmosphere and hospitality

Who knows, they may be back and they may have lots of friends and colleagues who they can talk to about the exeprience they had

If the World Cup was only about true supporters then we'd have had gates of about 1,500 which would ensure that we'd never get a game again

I.e

Town and Haven average gates

Less Havens 'fans' who were intent on not attending

Add 'true' RL fans from other clubs and parts of the UK (bringing money into the economy)

If it were true that the majority of those that attended were non-traditional RL fans, then that is to be celebrated rather than ridiculed

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IF SL Cumbria (whoever they are) goes ahead it has to be a fresh start with a brand new board hopefully with money behind them. Has a Worky lad and supporter all my life I wish any future merger or new club all the best but heres one who won't be attending. Gettting back to the present I predict a narrow TOWN win on Sunday, come on the lads.

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IF SL Cumbria (whoever they are) goes ahead it has to be a fresh start with a brand new board hopefully with money behind them. Has a Worky lad and supporter all my life I wish any future merger or new club all the best but heres one who won't be attending. Gettting back to the present I predict a narrow TOWN win on Sunday, come on the lads.

why wouldn't you attend and give it a go. Is it because personally you are against it?

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I don't have the heart, Iinterest or inclination to watch a SL Cumbria, Tried to follow Wigan but at the end of the day there was something missing -call it misguided loyality if you want.

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Yes on the FAX game it will be interesting to see if we get the players from Wigan in the positions  that we need,to my mind that is 2 props centre and stand off ,  and get CARTER back at fullback.  

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So you'd rather watch no rugby at all than a competitive joint side? Luckily you'll be in the minority

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Sounds good abu . Really need our prop rotation back against a monster pack like this . And two behind the scrum would complement that nicely. Carter looks a bit uncertain on the flank . We know he's hot n cold , but you take the rough when you have a player who can do x factor things few ,if any , in your team can . So he needs to be central .

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Yes on the FAX game it will be interesting to see if we get the players from Wigan in the positions that we need,to my mind that is 2 props centre and stand off , and get CARTER back at fullback.

Take your pick ( if only we could) from:

Ryan Hampshire FB, SH, SH; Dominic Manfredi WG, C; Rob Lever LF, SR; Connor Farrell LF, SR; Ryan Sutton P; Ben Austin P and Jack Murphy FB, C, W. ( Lewis Tierney injured).

Plus, whichever two players are not included in the final 17 for the Friday night match. Please note that there is an important U19 Wigan match tomorrow so perhaps the above selection of talent may not be as abundant as it would appear. It was nice to see Ryan Sutton get a run out in the Wigan 1st Team against Hunslet at the weekend.

The realist in me would suggest we will have the most welcome additions of Connor and Jack plus one other perhaps from the Wigan 19.

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Yeah nice to wee Sutton get a game in Wigan,s first team, but why has,ent he been made available  to TOWN?????   

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Getting back to the original subject of this thread another haven player has walked and asked to be released according to their forum.

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If we have any say in who we get from Wigan then ryan Hampshire is an absolute must. And is head and shoulders above everyone else in that list.

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If we have any say in who we get from Wigan then ryan Hampshire is an absolute must. And is head and shoulders above everyone else in that list.

Ryan Hampshire isn't in the 19 for Wigan on Friday, wonder if he fancy's a trip up to Gods country on Sunday !!!  

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chris smith

Town should tap him up would be a good interchange for Matty , we play local players Chris !!

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Two props is a must . That was a central part of the arrangement it seems so hopefully we get that back on regular track from this week . If Hampshire can play in the halves get him in there .

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