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04/05/14 - Kingstone Press Championship Match Thread

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Cracking result for Keighley ,the dream lives on

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We played really well in the first half. Dews were shell shocked.

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Sheffield were faster and much, much stronger. I think something is not right at Crusaders as well, but they are my team and I will stick with them. Are you a Crusaders fan Chronicler of Chiswick and what point are you trying to make in pointing out that the pitch upgrade will be , apparently, part funded by the RFL?

Pitch upgrade, no point - just a comment. I'm more an exiled Broncos supporter getting my live fix at the Racecourse, which perhaps makes me a more dispassionate observer, also, having seen the unfolding long term disaster that's been my team for a number of years (it started LONG before David Hughes) I'd hate to see it repeated with a potentially good club like the Cru. The reason I want to seee the back of the current coaching team was laid bare yesterday where poor Rob Massam spent the game exposed on the right side of the defence with no support, just look where most of Sheffield's attacks were targetted. Either the rest of the side weren't told to tighten up in that area or they weren't taking any notice - which would suggest that Clive's 'lost the dressing room', as the saying goes. 

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Thought Rochdale were doomed after the first few games but they are really growing now. Would be awesome for them to make next year's Championship.

Are the Hornets still in a DR deal with Saints and playing many Saints players in their team ? If so, it's not a level playing field and they are distorting the legitimancy of the Championship. If they have their own team and are not half St Helens playefs, then good on them.

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Are the Hornets still in a DR deal with Saints and playing many Saints players in their team ? If so, it's not a level playing field and they are distorting the legitimancy of the Championship. If they have their own team and are not half St Helens playefs, then good on them.

Hornets still in DR with St Helens but the side is definitely not stuffed with their players. Think only Anthony Walker from there played yesterday. Team is built around a solid core of their own players with the odd Saint helping out/filling in.

 

I've seen Gary Wheeler and Mark Flanagan turn out for Hornets this year plus the odd youth team player from down the East Lancs but I don't think they are much more guilty than Salford, my other team, where they have brought in Manfredi, Tomkins & Eden when needs must.

 

I'd never seen Rochdale play before this season apart from the CC1 Grand Final last year but I have to say I've been very impressed with the standard of play and the amount of improvement shown by the team which I don't think you'd get if it was being chopped and changed with imports from another team constantly.

 

I think Rochdale seem to be using DR pretty well this year and in the spirit that it is supposed to be used, ie not as a springboard for a SL club's players coming back from injury/loss of form but as a means of plugging gaps when the squad is stretched thin (not just when it suits Saints). As the team with, I'm presuming, the smallest budget in the league I think they've been pretty honest this year with regards to this. If they'd just been bringing in the best 5 Saints players not to make the squad each week, I doubt I'd keep turning up for more.

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We are in a DR relationship, but using it to back-fill for injuries rather than importing half a squad wholesale. On sunday we had one Saints DR in + a lad on loan from Dewsbury. The other 15 were all ours. Clubs will always borrow players from other sides to fill 'holes'. Swinton had four from Warrington and one loanee from Leigh - does that mean they are 'distorting the legitimancy of the Championship' more or less than us?

 

Half St Helens players - sheesh...

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Hornets still in DR with St Helens but the side is definitely not stuffed with their players. Think only Anthony Walker from there played yesterday. Team is built around a solid core of their own players with the odd Saint helping out/filling in.

 

I've seen Gary Wheeler and Mark Flanagan turn out for Hornets this year plus the odd youth team player from down the East Lancs but I don't think they are much more guilty than Salford, my other team, where they have brought in Manfredi, Tomkins & Eden when needs must.

 

I'd never seen Rochdale play before this season apart from the CC1 Grand Final last year but I have to say I've been very impressed with the standard of play and the amount of improvement shown by the team which I don't think you'd get if it was being chopped and changed with imports from another team constantly.

 

I think Rochdale seem to be using DR pretty well this year and in the spirit that it is supposed to be used, ie not as a springboard for a SL club's players coming back from injury/loss of form but as a means of plugging gaps when the squad is stretched thin (not just when it suits Saints). As the team with, I'm presuming, the smallest budget in the league I think they've been pretty honest this year with regards to this. If they'd just been bringing in the best 5 Saints players not to make the squad each week, I doubt I'd keep turning up for more.

What he said...

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We are in a DR relationship, but using it to back-fill for injuries rather than importing half a squad wholesale. On sunday we had one Saints DR in + a lad on loan from Dewsbury. The other 15 were all ours. Clubs will always borrow players from other sides to fill 'holes'. Swinton had four from Warrington and one loanee from Leigh - does that mean they are 'distorting the legitimancy of the Championship' more or less than us?

Half St Helens players - sheesh...

Barrow have loads on loan from Leigh, but seemingly that's OK in his world because its not DR. Do Keighley have players on loan?

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Barrow have loads on loan from Leigh, but seemingly that's OK in his world because its not DR. Do Keighley have players on loan?

Keighley are not doing it this season

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We are in a DR relationship, but using it to back-fill for injuries rather than importing half a squad wholesale. On sunday we had one Saints DR in + a lad on loan from Dewsbury. The other 15 were all ours. Clubs will always borrow players from other sides to fill 'holes'. Swinton had four from Warrington and one loanee from Leigh - does that mean they are 'distorting the legitimancy of the Championship' more or less than us?

 

Half St Helens players - sheesh...

I didn't state that Hornets were half St Helens because I didn't know that. I merely posed the question and you have answered it.

Swinton are doing the same thing and are equally as guilty if not more so than Hornets.

It seems that Hornets are doing the right thing with their minimal use of Saints players but I personally don';t like this system an its a recipe for abuse and unfair ringers at some point.

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Fair enough C of C, you are entitled to your opinion. I just thought you were trying to be a little mischievous. You seem to know a few things that are not in the general domain. I have my own opinions about what is going wrong at Crusaders lately but I am not going to point the finger at individuals just yet.

With regard to Dual reg - its making a mockery of the game. I said last season that it would probably be my last due to this farce, because it riles me so much, but after talking to Crusaders chairman I decided to give it another season although I didn't get a season ticket this time. I am pretty certain now though that I will just be sticking to the amateur game on a Saturday next season. It is causing divisions between clubs as well. Since you mentioned Swinton, my most local championship club, I have lots of friends there and wish them well. Its up to them to run the club as they feel is best, but I went to Featherstone the week after Swinton played there. The Fev programme is full of snipes at the dual reg system in every section and the coach's notes go so far as to call them Swinton Wolves - a slip of the tongue obviously?

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I thought Sheffield were very clinical against Crusaders. Their forwards ran hard and gave the backs good field position to play with. Clay and Reardon were exposed on the right hand side by Yere and Turner and Brambani controlled things from the halves. Mark Aston said a performance like this had been coming for a while and, unfortunately, it was Crusaders on the other end of it.

 

It was always going to be a tough season for the Crusaders and they're really struggling to find consistency. I'm a bit mystified by some of Clive's decision's though, Moulsdale is cleary playing with an injury and it's showing when they come up against quality opposition.

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Eagles were very good and gave us a harsh lesson. Unfortunately Crusaders are very up and down at the moment and it may be our undoing this season. This team is better than this and I hope they settle down and play as they can.

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Barrow have loads on loan from Leigh, but seemingly that's OK in his world because its not DR. Do Keighley have players on loan?

The loads DKW refers to was actually 2 at Doncaster, one of these was a swap with Leigh for Haggerty, who was championship player of the week, I think Leigh got the best of the deal.

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Leigh have provided Barrow Bullock, Briscoe, Govin, Lowe and maybe one other so far this season - if they get injured playing it doesn't change the fact, the same could happen with Haggerty who is now match fit at last and looking very good - Haggerty was previously Leighs academy captain btw

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 I went to Featherstone the week after Swinton played there. The Fev programme is full of snipes at the dual reg system in every section and the coach's notes go so far as to call them Swinton Wolves - a slip of the tongue obviously?

 

Ive re-read it, and that's not true.

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Sweaty craiq out of all the players you named Rowe and Briscoe weren't good enough for the Championship, Bullock is good at times but vastly in experienced. The only good player we got was Mick Govin but he will be going back to you when match fit. In return you got our second best player for the whole season.

Leigh were probably laughing when we agreed to the deal and rightly so.

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marklaspalmas - I have just re-read the Featherstone match programme versus North Wales Crusaders and you are correct. I apologise for my inaccurate comment. I should have made sure of my facts before posting. In the coach's comments John Bastian says "You have to give credit to Swinton who, as we expected, were full of dual registered players from Warrington Wolves. It was Tim Spears who said "Credit also has to go to SWINTON WOLVES for having a real crack at us.

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I didn't state that Hornets were half St Helens because I didn't know that. I merely posed the question and you have answered it.

Swinton are doing the same thing and are equally as guilty if not more so than Hornets.

It seems that Hornets are doing the right thing with their minimal use of Saints players but I personally don';t like this system an its a recipe for abuse and unfair ringers at some point.

We play Workington on Sunday. In last week's draw with Halifax they played four Wigan DRs - a fifth was injured so didn't play.

 

They're still 11th in the league, so the DRs are hardly having a marked effect.

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We play Workington on Sunday. In last week's draw with Halifax they played four Wigan DRs - a fifth was injured so didn't play.

 

They're still 11th in the league, so the DRs are hardly having a marked effect.

I guess you can make the point that Town would maybe rock bottom without the DR players.

So Towm have Wigan players and SW Scorpions and previously Leigh were in a link up with Wigan. This is all well and good for Wigan but it can't be good fo the overall health of the Championships. I don't like this DR stuff at all.

What's the deal with Hunslet. They are running away with CC1. Are they playing many Leeds players.

Long live the independents, I say.

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We play Workington on Sunday. In last week's draw with Halifax they played four Wigan DRs - a fifth was injured so didn't play.

They're still 11th in the league, so the DRs are hardly having a marked effect.

Because of injuries we also only had 3 on the bench, we've had major injury problems to our better players.

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Because of injuries we also only had 3 on the bench, we've had major injury problems to our better players.

I don't have an issue - I watch a lot of NSW Cup in Oz - 'partnership' set-ups are common (Newtown, Mounties, Wenty, Cutters, Norths etc). Lads have to play somewhere - no real difference to loan players if used to backfill.

 

(I did notice that one of your subs was 'unused' which I thought was unusual)

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I don't have an issue - I watch a lot of NSW Cup in Oz - 'partnership' set-ups are common (Newtown, Mounties, Wenty, Cutters, Norths etc). Lads have to play somewhere - no real difference to loan players if used to backfill.

 

(I did notice that one of your subs was 'unused' which I thought was unusual)

There is no p and r in Australia. If DR's skew a result in their minor leagues it doesn't matter a jot in the big scheme of things. In our leagues in the UK even one result skewed by DR players can have a huge impact on the very future of clubs.

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I don't have an issue - I watch a lot of NSW Cup in Oz - 'partnership' set-ups are common (Newtown, Mounties, Wenty, Cutters, Norths etc). Lads have to play somewhere - no real difference to loan players if used to backfill.

 

(I did notice that one of your subs was 'unused' which I thought was unusual)

 

People tend to look at the numbers rather than the reasons. Town have 2 of our regular 3/4's out injured (Elliott Miller and Andy Morris) and these were replaced by Manfredi and Murphy. Our regular starting half-back Callum Phillips is on the injury list, he was replaced by Powell. The only one of the 4 Wigan lads who you could argue wasn't filling in for our own injured players was Connor Farrell.

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What did they do when players were injured before the dual reg farce was introduced? oh thats right they could afford to run a reserve team or give a local amateur a trial.

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