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This Weeks Results - 10th & 11th May

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Put your teams results, views, reports etc here as others interested in amateur rugby like to read them.

 

I see that in London Premiership Eastern Rhinos v Staines Titans has been postponed.  Hope there is a 'proper' reason and the new boys aren't finding the step up too hard already.

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East Premier League:

North Herts 58 - 24 Kings Lynn

St Ives 82 - 12 Southend

Milton Keynes 24 - 50 Bedford

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London Div 1

Beckenham v Esher PP

SWL Chargers A 44 - 0 Elmbridge

London Premier

Rhinos v Staines PP

SWL Chargers 40 - 4 Hemel A

Skolars A 34 - 8 St Albans

South East Premier

Weald 58 - 30 Sussex

Portsmouth 38 - 12 Southampton

Medway v Guildford PP

London & South East Entry League

Medway 38 v 30 Beckenham

West Warriors 58 v 6 Newham

Southern Ladies League

SWL Chargers Ladies 12 - 6 Sussex Merlin's Ladies

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Mids Prem

 

Telford 16 Leamington 20

Northampton 68 NEW Ravens 14

Chargers 8 Leicester A 26

Birmimgham 44 Outlaws A 28

Derby City 32 Cov Dragons 22

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Two weeks in a row without opposition is quite worrying.

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Jasper unfortunately you have started a thread that does not make good reading. If you look at all the other websites through out the country I would say less than 20 games out side the NCL, Yorkshire Mens, and NW counties where 9 games are down as postponed. Next week Magic with very few games then the bank holiday weekend, you have bbfaz's team not appearing to be able to get a game and the season has only just started. Peterlee had a fixture today and according to the website their next game is 7th June, after tomorrow our 16s will have played their 5th game since 3rd March then their next game is June.

It is not in the RFL's interest to let the open age game disintegrate so what are they doing about the decline?

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On looking i would say there were over 30 games played outside the leagues you mentioned.

Also from the North East website peterlee have fixtures every week.

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Sorry IO I may have looked at the websites before they were fully updated.

Concerning Peterlee it was their NCL team I was talking about and can only go by the NCL website, no game next week because of magic, the week after no game, then the cup, they have no game till 7th June.

Looking at their website their 15s have merged with their 16s due to lack of teams to play against our 16s playing 5 games in 3 months also in the YJ and Hull junior leagues teams have folded with no replacements if you are happy with this lets carry on.

You say 30 fixtures yesterday outside of the heartlands well after 30+ years of expansion not a great return especially when 9 fixtures in the NWC league were postponed some of these NCL club A teams and other fixtures in the YML not taking place, some NCL clubs have travelled with less than 17 players and 2 have pulled out of the league already, this is the flagship competition in the amateur game.

Winter was on a steady decline we all accept that, the great messiah was summer why are we not getting players flocking to the game and clubs sprouting up all over don't tell me it takes time as the expansion areas in the main have only ever played summer, I think we were told "you will have that many players you will not know what to do with them"

David Gent said there will be casualties but I don't even think he thought more off than on, except for the select band of clubs it all appears to not be working. My son played touch, school, college, u18s and A team all in a calendar year in terms of participation is that 1 tick in the box or 5, we appear to be using the same players all year round as he will now be playing in the YM entry league where every player in the team has played either under 18s or A team rugby in the winter.

The RFL are tinkering with the 6-7-8 part of the mini mod an area according to their own review that has the greatest amount of teams when all added together and the best retention rate, to me it is the teenage years that needs to be looked at, I suppose we could introduce small sided games and tag rugby for these age groups at least the lads may start enjoying the game.

My boss used to say silence is acceptance so have the RFL accepted this is as good as it gets or as my original question was

" It is not in the RFL's interest to let the OA game disintegrate so what are they doing about the steady decline in OA rugby??

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Our U15s squad has 25 players and now has a waiting list. The U16s start next week and we will promote some of the bigger/better U15s so that we can give everyone a decent game at 15s.

 

Our Open Age squad now has 19 registered players despite losing a few over the winter who didn't want to commit properly to the club and the team. I've not run a "traditional area" club but I can tell you that outside the heartlands it's tough full stop - and I think that only summer works for us. Our U15s are playing Yorkshire League, by the way.

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No-one is throwing criticism at any volunteer or club, in some areas and some clubs summer is the only option I am not saying winter is the option especially without changes, I ask what is best for the game?

Tim2 you say you only have 19 players it will be a struggle to field a team if you get injuries and the holiday season kicks in

All I would like an answer to is

" It is not in the RFL's interest to let the OA game disintegrate so what are they doing about the steady decline in OA rugby??

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On looking i would say there were over 30 games played outside the leagues you mentioned.

Also from the North East website peterlee have fixtures every week.

Take the blinkers off !!!!

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Our U15s squad has 25 players and now has a waiting list. The U16s start next week and we will promote some of the bigger/better U15s so that we can give everyone a decent game at 15s.

 

Our Open Age squad now has 19 registered players despite losing a few over the winter who didn't want to commit properly to the club and the team. I've not run a "traditional area" club but I can tell you that outside the heartlands it's tough full stop - and I think that only summer works for us. Our U15s are playing Yorkshire League, by the way.

The whole idea of the "Four Seasons Debate " was to find a fit that suits best for each area / region .

That makes sense  and most of us buy into that .

 

But the facts are summer rugby does not work in some areas so lets have a full unbiased review and at least be open and transparent, some areas are being severely  damaged and the integrity of the competition is being compromised . 

 

The question is " Rugby League Cares " or does it ?

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Take the blinkers off !!!!

My apologies for pointing out a mistake, from now on I shall not correct any without permission!

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No-one is throwing criticism at any volunteer or club, in some areas and some clubs summer is the only option I am not saying winter is the option especially without changes, I ask what is best for the game?

Tim2 you say you only have 19 players it will be a struggle to field a team if you get injuries and the holiday season kicks in

All I would like an answer to is

" It is not in the RFL's interest to let the OA game disintegrate so what are they doing about the steady decline in OA rugby??

 

19 after only having 6 from last year - several to come back from University too and still recruiting. We didn't blob on a fixture last year and I hope that wiull be the case this season as well.

 

I agree with your view about the 4 seasons thing - for me it's not a slam dunk that summer is the full answer for all ages and regions.

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Investment is not mentioned, 30+ years of trying to expand the game out of the heartlands and only 30 fixtures nationwide in the height of the season in my view is not good, especially when there were call offs in the NWC and YML, if you are happy with this so be it.

As I keep saying

" It is not in the RFL's interest to let the OA game disintegrate so what are they doing about the steady decline in OA rugby??

Why cannot anybody let me know what if any initiatives the RFL are implementing to stop the decline in OA this is not directed at any individual club, volunteer, or league and also includes the heartlands as it is not all sweetness and light there either

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My apologies for pointing out a mistake, from now on I shall not correct any without permission!

 

Glad you know your place :onthequiet:

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I can only go by the official RFL websites and am talking open age teams, these are the games that there are results for I am sure others took place, but as I say 9 called off in the NWC and others in the YML not a great picture

London Mens. 5 games

South East 2 games

South West. 1 game

Midlands 7 games

Wales 0 games

Scotland. 2 games

East RL. 3 games

North East. 2 games

Total. 22 games

If we say each team has 20 players, thats 880 open age players playing Rugby League outside of Cumbria, Yorkshire and Lancashire areas, if the RFL are happy with this then so be it

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Add Conference League South but even so that takes it to 25 games

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I counted in Cumbria also as the original message only said 20 games outside NCL, YML, & NWML but if people want to move the goalposts that is fine.

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Nobody is moving any goal posts, when i said 20 i never even added them up it was just a guess, I say there may be more games but lets not argue over a few games which ever way we look at it it's not very good

That is still only about 1000 players nationwide outside of the Cumbria, Yorkshire and Lancashire areas playing the game after 30+ years of trying to expand the game outside of its heartlands

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As I keep saying

" It is not in the RFL's interest to let the OA game disintegrate so what are they doing about the steady decline in OA rugby??

Why cannot anybody let me know what if any initiatives the RFL are implementing to stop the decline in OA this is not directed at any individual club, volunteer, or league and also includes the heartlands as it is not all sweetness and light there either

Instead of arguing over 1 or 2 matches that may have taken place

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I counted in Cumbria also as the original message only said 20 games outside NCL, YML, & NWML but if people want to move the goalposts that is fine.

 

Sir could you please give your opinion on the numbers of players playing OA rugby outside of Cumbria , Lancs and Yorks  ?

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As I keep saying

" It is not in the RFL's interest to let the OA game disintegrate so what are they doing about the steady decline in OA rugby??

Why cannot anybody let me know what if any initiatives the RFL are implementing to stop the decline in OA this is not directed at any individual club, volunteer, or league and also includes the heartlands as it is not all sweetness and light there either

Instead of arguing over 1 or 2 matches that may have taken place

 

Good question don't hold your breath waiting for an answer ?

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South West and West Leagues dont start til next week.

Given that there were only 10 teams playing in 1996 in the Southern Conference, (18 years ago) looks like a decent growth all round.

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