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As could Whitehaven and Barrow. Although we don't really class Whitehaven as cumbrian, they're like the unwanted brother we don't want to associate ourselves with.

Who are WE as I'm born and bred in west Cumbria and I've never heard anyone say that rubbish before.

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As could Whitehaven and Barrow. Although we don't really class Whitehaven as cumbrian, they're like the unwanted brother we don't want to associate ourselves with.

Who are WE as I'm born and bred in west Cumbria and I've never heard anyone say that rubbish before.

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Typical hatred from Rubbish Warrior. Always whining on French sides and Saint Helens. 

Carcassonne is nowhere near from SL2 but Toulouse is a serious contender for it. Half the players on the side are SL level. Vunakece, Khierallah, Wood and Bentley brothers are definitely good enough for a decent SL side. Gonzales-Trique brothers are going on loan to Sheffield right now. There's definitely potential.
 

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Who are WE as I'm born and bred in west Cumbria and I've never heard anyone say that rubbish before.

*Psssst*

(I think it's a joke...)

;)

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I don't think the villages teams would be big enough to support SL rugby otherwise you'd think the game in France would be fully pro. I can only see big city teams getting in.

 

In contrast, Toulouse would be a top 4 club no doubt about it, they would be bigger than Catalans and have a very strong commercial arm. Just look at the list of partners they have, it would be even greater in SL. http://www.to13.com/partenaires/

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*Psssst*

(I think it's a joke...)

;)

Shhh don't spoil it!

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Toulouse have a monster economy, yup. They can run a top football team, a top union team AND a top rugby league, the region is so full of opportunities that the town can do anything. 

 

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Carcassonne is my favourite destination in France so it's a yes from me.

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What TV deal would they bring?

How would they fair in a french league?

Would the clubs merge like catalan did?

Haven't they had a bash at it and failed? Didn't they have free access to SL for years and bottled it?

 

Haven't Bradford had a go at it and failed (twice )

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What TV deal would they bring?

How would they fair in a french league?

Would the clubs merge like catalan did?

Haven't they had a bash at it and failed? Didn't they have free access to SL for years and bottled it?

 

What TV deal are the french teams bringing? Or did I miss that. Until that is done and dusted, the TV deal argument needs to be put to bed. You can have contracts with provisos you know. Say - IF (french team 2) are placed in Superleague THEN we will show the RL in France and pay xxx€ for the honour.

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The RFL or Sky dont want a merged Cumbrian team or current club in SL ... it isnt expensionist enough for either of them !!

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I think some people turned the wrong way and ended up on this forum by mistake going by the posts they think they can make here.  6 posts deleted.

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Haven't Bradford had a go at it and failed (twice )

yes they would have lost their licence this time round......

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The RFL or Sky dont want a merged Cumbrian team or current club in SL ... it isnt expensionist enough for either of them !!

When did they say this?

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actions speak louder than words!

Whitehaven has a population of 25,000.  If the club motivated a typical attendance figure, that would amount to 1,250, but it could get 10% (comparable to St Helens) to reach 2,500.  Possibly, it would do freakishly well like Castleford (20%) and reach 5,000.  That is why they have it in for Whitehaven.

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Whitehaven has a population of 25,000. If the club motivated a typical attendance figure, that would amount to 1,250, but it could get 10% (comparable to St Helens) to reach 2,500. Possibly, it would do freakishly well like Castleford (20%) and reach 5,000. That is why they have it in for Whitehaven.

A town's population is a useless stat on its own. Anyone that assumes supporters only come from that town (and so make percentage comparisons with the population figure) needs to have a reality check.

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A town's population is a useless stat on its own. Anyone that assumes supporters only come from that town (and so make percentage comparisons with the population figure) needs to have a reality check.

 

True, but i think Whitehaven's attendances speak for themselves. But hey, they now have the opportunity under the new structure to get to Super League and test that theory. Somehow i don't think they will be a success, which is a shame because i'd like to see a strong Cumbrian team. I certainly don't think you can say the RFL have it in for any Cumbrian teams though, the development of the regional pathways and performance centres proves that. It is not the RFL's responsibility to run the individual clubs - they should be pushing their own ambitions.

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A town's population is a useless stat on its own. Anyone that assumes supporters only come from that town (and so make percentage comparisons with the population figure) needs to have a reality check.

True, the football clubs in Everton, Tottenham and Aston manage to appeal outside their strict area.  However, those areas are urban.  A 10,000 attendance on a regular basis is not feasible.

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True, the football clubs in Everton, Tottenham and Aston manage to appeal outside their strict area. However, those areas are urban. A 10,000 attendance on a regular basis is not feasible.

And that's the kicker. The best way to measure a clubs potential is by measuring the population in an area with a certain distance as the radius to see what potential out of towners may come.

London have the opposite problem when people go "well there's 13million of them!"

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And that's the kicker. The best way to measure a clubs potential is by measuring the population in an area with a certain distance as the radius to see what potential out of towners may come.

London have the opposite problem when people go "well there's 13million of them!"

Indeed, London shows it is potential rather than what will be realised.  We have a club in Copenhagen, but are certainly realistic enough to know we have to find a niche, rather than thinking we have a ready resource of 1.5 million fans.  

 

There is room in London for a successful rugby league club in Super League, whether it would be one that has the traditional model is questionable, when it is run on the Runcorn Highfield model, it is highly doubtful.  Incidentally, Carcassone has a population of under 50,000, so a Super League club would be a struggle (though that is a little more than Castleford).

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Indeed, London shows it is potential rather than what will be realised. We have a club in Copenhagen, but are certainly realistic enough to know we have to find a niche, rather than thinking we have a ready resource of 1.5 million fans.

There is room in London for a successful rugby league club in Super League, whether it would be one that has the traditional model is questionable, when it is run on the Runcorn Highfield model, it is highly doubtful. Incidentally, Carcassone has a population of under 50,000, so a Super League club would be a struggle (though that is a little more than Castleford).

You've fallen back into the trap of looking at the town's population on its own. It means virtually nothing compared to the population of the surrounding area.

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True, the football clubs in Everton, Tottenham and Aston manage to appeal outside their strict area.  However, those areas are urban.  A 10,000 attendance on a regular basis is not feasible.

 

Everton, Tottenham and Aston Villa may as well be called Liverpool, London and Birmingham. They're all suburbs in their inner cities. Aston is in the dead centre of Birmingham, Everton is a few miles from Liverpool city centre, and Tottenham is 8 miles or so from the City. Of course they appeal outside their strict area, because their strict area is the major city they happen to be a part of. 

 

You've fallen back into the trap of looking at the town's population on its own. It means virtually nothing compared to the population of the surrounding area.

 

Except that Carcassone doesn't have Paris on the doorstep of its surrounding area. It's a pretty secluded area. Even if you managed to round up 100,000 people in its surrounding area, you're still looking at one of the smaller markets. Further out, on one side of it towards the west is Toulouse, on the other to the east is Perpignan. 

 

None of that is to say Carcassone wouldn't be a good addition. Their ambitions are healthy. The more the merrier. Toulouse remains the priority however. 

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True, the football clubs in Everton, Tottenham and Aston manage to appeal outside their strict area.  However, those areas are urban.  A 10,000 attendance on a regular basis is not feasible.

 

 

Everton, Tottenham and Aston Villa may as well be called Liverpool, London and Birmingham. They're all suburbs in their inner cities. Aston is in the dead centre of Birmingham, Everton is a few miles from Liverpool city centre, and Tottenham is 8 miles or so from the City. Of course they appeal outside their strict area, because their strict area is the major city they happen to be a part of. 

 

 

Except that Carcassone doesn't have Paris on the doorstep of its surrounding area. It's a pretty secluded area. Even if you managed to round up 100,000 people in its surrounding area, you're still looking at one of the smaller markets. Further out, on one side of it towards the west is Toulouse, on the other to the east is Perpignan. 

 

None of that is to say Carcassone wouldn't be a good addition. Their ambitions are healthy. The more the merrier. Toulouse remains the priority however. 

Regarding the bit in bold, if you read to the second half of my post above, you will see I directly address that.   What I mean by them being urban is that they are part of a city rather than the countryside, so the population argument does not apply.

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Regarding the bit in bold, if you read to the second half of my post above, you will see I directly address that. What I mean by them being urban is that they are part of a city rather than the countryside, so the population argument does not apply.

So Castleford might as well be called Wakefield ;)

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