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Poll: Pick your own England team

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  1. 1. Who would you pick at full-back?

    • Sam Tomkins (New Zealand Warriors)
    • Zak Hardaker (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Jonny Lomax (St Helens)
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    • Jamie Shaul (Hull FC)
      0
    • Matty Russell (Warrington Wolves)
    • Jordan Tansey (Castleford Tigers)
    • Scott Grix (Huddersfield Giants)
      0
    • Ben Cockayne (Hull KR)
    • Richie Mathers (Wakefield Wildcats)
      0
    • Someone else (please specify below)
      0
  2. 2. Which wingers would you pick? (select two)

    • Jack Owens (Widnes Vikings)
    • Kirk Dixon (Castleford Tigers)
    • Jermaine McGillvary (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Jodie Broughton (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Jason Crookes (Hull FC)
      0
    • Paddy Flynn (Widnes Vikings)
      0
    • Ade Gardner (Hull KR/St Helens)
    • Ben Cockayne (Hull KR)
      0
    • Ryan Hall (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Tom Briscoe (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Ben Jones-Bishop (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Kieran Dixon (London Broncos)
      0
    • Greg Johnson (Salford Red Devils)
    • Tom Makinson (St Helens)
    • Adam Swift (St Helens)
    • Joe Burgess (Wigan Warriors)
    • Gene Ormsby (Warrington Wolves)
    • Josh Charnley (Wigan Warriors)
    • Someone else (please specify below)
  3. 3. Which centres would you pick? (select two)

    • Michael Shenton (Castleford Tigers)
    • Leon Pryce (Catalan Dragons)
    • Leroy Cudjoe (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Joe Wardle (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Ben Crooks (Hull FC)
    • Kirk Yeaman (Hull FC)
      0
    • Kris Welham (Hull KR)
      0
    • Kallum Watkins (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Mason Caton-Brown (London Broncos)
    • Martin Gleeson (Salford Red Devils)
    • Jordan Turner (St Helens)
    • Josh Jones (St Helens)
    • Chris Bridge (Warrington Wolves)
    • Ryan Atkins (Warrington Wolves)
    • Stefan Marsh (Widnes Vikings)
      0
    • Dan Sarginson (Wigan Warriors)
    • Iain Thornley (Wigan Warriors)
    • Jack Reed (Brisbane Broncos)
    • Zak Hardaker (LeedsRhinos)
    • Someone else (please specify below)
  4. 4. Who would you pick at stand-off?

    • Lee Gaskell (Bradford Bulls)
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    • Leon Pryce (Catalan Dragons)
      0
    • Marc Sneyd (Castleford Tigers)
    • Danny Brough (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Richard Horne (Hull FC)
      0
    • Kevin Sinfield (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Danny McGuire (Leeds Rhinos)
      0
    • James Cunningham (London Broncos)
      0
    • Gary Wheeler (St Helens)
      0
    • Paul Sykes (Wakefield Wildcats)
    • Stefan Ratchford (Warrington Wolves)
    • Kevin Brown (Widnes Vikings)
    • Liam Sutcliffe (Leeds Rhinos)
      0
    • Gareth Widdop (St George-Illawarra Dragons)
    • Rangi Chase (Salford Red Devils)
      0
    • Sam Tomkins (New Zealand Warriors)
    • Someone else (please specify below)
  5. 5. Who would you pick at scrum-half?

    • Luke Gale (Bradford Bulls)
    • Liam Finn (Castleford Tigers)
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    • Luke Robinson (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Rob Burrow (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Richard Myler (Warrington Wolves)
    • Joe Mellor (Widnes Vikings)
    • Matty Smith (Wigan Warriors)
    • Trent Hodkinson (Canterbury Bulldogs)
    • Marc Sneyd (Castleford Tigers)
    • Danny McGuire (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Someone else (please specify below)
  6. 6. Which props would you pick? (select two)

    • James Graham (Canterbury Bulldogs)
    • George Burgess (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
    • Luke Burgess (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
    • Tom Burgess (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
    • Adam Sidlow (Bradford Bulls)
    • Craig Huby (Castleford Tigers)
    • Andy Lynch (Castleford Tigers)
    • Eorl Crabtree (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Garreth Carvell (Hull FC)
      0
    • Adam Walker (Hull KR)
    • Jonathan Walker (Hull KR)
    • Kyle Amor (St Helens)
    • Alex Walmsley (St Helens)
    • Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook (St Helens)
    • Nick Scruton (Wakefield Wildcats)
    • Chris Hill (Warrington Wolves)
    • Phil Joseph (Widnes Vikings)
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    • Scott Taylor (Wigan Warriors)
    • Someone else (please specify below)
      0
  7. 7. Which hooker would you select?

    • Matt Diskin (Bradford Bulls)
    • Daryl Clark (Castleford Tigers)
    • Shaun Lunt (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Danny Houghton (Hull FC)
    • Josh Hodgson (Hull KR)
    • Rob Burrow (Leeds Rhinos)
      0
    • Scott Moore (London Broncos)
      0
    • Logan Tomkins (Salford Red Devils/Wigan Warriors)
      0
    • James Roby (St Helens)
    • Paul McShane (Wakefield Wildcats)
      0
    • Micky Higham (Warrington Wolves)
    • Jon Clarke (Widnes Vikings)
      0
    • Michael McIlorum (Wigan Warriors)
    • Someone else (please specify below)
  8. 8. Who would your second-rowers be? (please select two)

    • Dale Ferguson (Bradford Bulls)
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    • Oliver Holmes (Castleford Tigers)
    • Elliott Whitehead (Catalan Dragons)
    • Brett Ferres (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Graeme Horne (Hull KR)
      0
    • Carl Ablett (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Chris Clarkson (Leeds Rhinos)
      0
    • Matt Cook (London Broncos)
    • Gareth Hock (Salford Red Devils)
    • Jon Wilkin (St Helens)
    • Larne Patrick (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Danny Washbrook (Wakefield Wildcats)
    • Danny Kirmond (Wakefield Wildcats)
    • Ben Westwood (Warrington Wolves)
    • Danny Tickle (Widnes Vikings)
      0
    • John Bateman (Wigan Warriors)
    • Liam Farrell (Wigan Warriors)
    • Lee Mossop (Parramatta Eels)
    • Mike Cooper (St George-Illawarra Dragons)
    • Someone else (please specify below)
  9. 9. Who would you pick at loose forward?

    • James Donaldson (Bradford Bulls)
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    • Chris Bailey (Huddersfield Giants)
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    • Joe Westerman (Hull FC)
    • Jamie Langley (Hull KR)
      0
    • Kevin Sinfield (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Stevie Ward (Leeds Rhinos)
      0
    • Alex Foster (London Broncos)
      0
    • Danny Washbrook (Wakefield Wildcats)
    • Simon Grix (Warrington Wolves)
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    • Ben Harrison (Warrington Wolves)
    • Sean O'Loughlin (Wigan Warriors)
    • Larne Patrick (Huddersfield Giants)
    • Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook (St Helens)
    • Chris Clarkson (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Jon Wilkin (St Helens)
    • Someone else (please specify below)
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  10. 10. Finally, if it was up to you, who would be England coach?

    • Steve McNamara (Sydney Roosters assistant)
    • Brian McDermott (Leeds Rhinos)
    • Shaun Wane (Wigan Warriors)
    • Iestyn Harris (Salford Red Devils)
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    • Brian Noble (unattached)
    • Paul Anderson (Huddersfield Giants)
      0
    • Lee Radford (Hull FC)
    • Francis Cummins (Bradford Bulls)
    • Richard Agar (Wakefield Wildcats)
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    • Daryl Powell (Castleford Tigers)
    • Denis Betts (Widnes Vikings)
    • Ellery Hanley (unattached)
    • Someone else (please specify below)

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Debate has been raging recently on who Steve McNamara should pick for England's Four Nations squad later this year, with several young players making a big case for inclusion after strong starts to the season. We picked a team earlier this month and, in his League Express column this week, so did former GB star Garry Schofield.

 

We realise everyone has their own opinion and very rarely will agreements be reached. Therefore, we have set up a poll that allows you to pick your own team. We're going to leave this live on the site for a week and will reveal the results, which should provide us with the best England team we have available, next Wednesday.

 

Feel free to explain your decisions below, and please be as objective as possible.

 

:: Please note, I have tried my best to include everyone who is both a] playing well enough to be considered in a selection like this and b] eligible for an England call-up.

I have not included Jamie Peacock, Gareth Ellis or Sam Burgess due to international retirement and Burgess' move to rugby union. Please also note I had a 20-player limit on every category and therefore had to leave out some players. Add anyone you feel deserves inclusion below.

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That's better.

 

Prop is difficult, though because of the variation of workhorses and barnstormers (very technical terms, there). On form, the best two are Graham and Amor, but I'd have them down as the former - so to create a mix I've gone for Burgess (G), but I'd want all three and probably one more big lad in the 17.

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I'd begin a team towards the 2017 RLWC.

Full back I'd go Sam Tomkins. Best full back we have IMO slightly ahead of Hardaker but there isn't much in it. The best part of Tomkins game is getting the ball to his three quarters which I think he is the best in the world at. We should have centres to do damage and with Tomkins being the perfect link between the half backs and them I would choose him ahead of Hardaker.

Wingers I'd go for Ryan Hall and Joe Burgess. Ryan Hall is a definite with his proven record at international level aswell as being on form for Leeds at present. I've gone for Joe Burgess as I think he has the most potential out of any English winger. He always looks for work and makes plenty of metres. His acceleration and pace is absolutely immense and he is a good finisher also. I think he has no real flaws in his game. Briscoe is to inconsistent. Makinson has a huge shout but I just prefer Burgess as he is slightly quicker and taller.

Centres I went for Kallum Watkins and Michael Shenton. Kallum Watkins is the best centre we have there isn't any doubt about that. Shenton deserves his place on merit IMO. Now at Castleford he is flourishing in a side who actually get the ball out to their centres. (Saints do now but when Shenton was there they rarely did due to not having an out and out 7 to give them direction) Percival has the most potential but doesn't have enough games under his belt to warrant a place. In a few years maybe.

Stand off and scrum half I would have Widdop and Sneyd. Both young and will be in their prime come 2017. They both have complete games in passing, kicking, organisation and running. I feel they could run a top side and both are exceptional at putting people through gaps. Smith is another shout but doesn't offer the threat Sneyd does with ball in hand IMO.

Props if we were picking 4 I would go Graham, George Burgess, Hill and Walmsley. I think we would need two forwards who will bust tackles and knock people over. We do not have second rowers the size of Aus and the Kiwis so I would have two props in Burgess and Walmsley. Walmsley has a lot to learn but is only into his second season of professional full time RL. Once he stops making as many errors he's averaging about 1 a game for knock ons and penalties combined he will be one of the best props in the world. Hill and Graham are obvious picks along with G Burgess. If S Burgess returns for 2017 I would put him in second row if Walmsley has developed enough to be a definite at prop or if not I'd start him at prop alongside Graham. Amor and Taylor are good players but I don't think they offer enough punch and impact especially when we have back rowers who do a similar level of graft. Peacock is too slow for international level regardless of his form.

Second rowers if we had 3 (2 starting 1 on the bench) I'd go Westwood, Bateman and Kirmond. Westwood was very good in the world cup. Bateman is just pure class. He will be in the top 3 back rowers in the world come the 2017 world cup. He has everything an RL player needs. Kirmond if playing for a better side would be starting easily. He is an absolute machine and absolutely fearless. The amount of work he gets through and does is ridiculous. He warrants an international place ahead of Ferres IMO who is good but I feel his form has dipped this year.

Hookers are obvious in Roby and Clarke. Roby starting with Clarke to speed it up even further coming off the bench. Both stand out hookers in the competition. Both great in defence and any gap which opens up in the oppositions defence is punished up the middle. I don't think any other Hookers are playing at the level these two are currently.

Loose forward I'd go Sean O Loughlin. Best player in the position IMO. Has everything an RL player needs. Hopefully injuries don't cause him an early retirement as he is one of the best. If he isn't fit for 2017 then the only player who could replace him and do just as good job would be Sam Burgess.

So my team would be:

1. Sam Tomkins (Hardaker)

2. Joe Burgess (Makinson)

3. Kallum Watkins (Mason Caton Brown)

4. Michael Shenton (Jack Reed)

5. Ryan Hall (Tom Briscoe)

6. Gareth Widdop (Kevin Brown)

7. Marc Sneyd (Matty Smith)

8. James Graham (lee Mossop)

9. James Roby (Shaun Lunt)

10. George Burgess (Scott Taylor)

11. Danny Kirmond (Elliot Whitehead)

12. Ben Westwood (Ben Currie)

13. Sean O Loughlin (Stevie Ward)

14. Daryl Clark (Danny Houghton)

15. Chris Hill (Kyle Amor)

16. Alex Walmsley (Craig Huby)

17. John Bateman (Brett Ferres)

Edit: the brackets are the back up options)

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Zak Hardaker centre

Absolutely no.

Hardaker is class but it's either full back or doesn't play. Ask any Leeds fan on this forum. He isn't half the centre he is full back.

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Doesn't phil Joseph play for Wales?

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That's better.

Prop is difficult, though because of the variation of workhorses and barnstormers (very technical terms, there). On form, the best two are Graham and Amor, but I'd have them down as the former - so to create a mix I've gone for Burgess (G), but I'd want all three and probably one more big lad in the 17.[/quote. ...... I

hill is the best prop over here by a mile and is a must in any squad including. Big Sam or any.

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That's better.

Prop is difficult, though because of the variation of workhorses and barnstormers (very technical terms, there). On form, the best two are Graham and Amor, but I'd have them down as the former - so to create a mix I've gone for Burgess (G), but I'd want all three and probably one more big lad in the 17.[/quote. ...... I

hill is the best prop over here by a mile and is a must in any squad including. Big Sam or any.

Utter balderdash, every team can say they have the best this that and t'other, but Hill by a mile, not having it.

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Utter balderdash, every team can say they have the best this that and t'other,l but Hill by a mile, not having it.

you haven't got a clue and have never played the game. (any mistakes on a mobile for first time)

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Apparently if I want to name someone else as England coach I can specify here. So, here goes...

 

Ellery Hanley

 

 

Now, while I doff my cap to the coaching talents of Shaun Wane in particular, if you need someone to control a disparate group of blokes who knock seven shades out of one another regular season, Ellery is your man. No one, but no one, will argue with him. He was a supreme player, supreme leader, and he remains one of the most instantly recognisable figures in the game to outside parties.

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ame="ELBOWSEYE" post="2936128" timestamp="1401301520"]

Utter balderdash, every team can say they have the best this that and t'other, but Hill by a mile, not having it.

 

Hill's work ethic is first rate, and maybe in a couple of years?

 

But, yes, I agree, there are others more battle-ready on the international scene.

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Apparently if I want to name someone else as England coach I can specify here. So, here goes...

 

Ellery Hanley

 

 

Now, while I doff my cap to the coaching talents of Shaun Wane in particular, if you need someone to control a disparate group of blokes who knock seven shades out of one another regular season, Ellery is your man. No one, but no one, will argue with him. He was a supreme player, supreme leader, and he remains one of the most instantly recognisable figures in the game to outside parties.

It's a complete mystery to me how one of the all time greats and living legends of our game isn't more involved in rugby league, when there's a coaching vacancy in super league he'd be my 1st choice every time.

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Doesn't phil Joseph play for Wales?

He got about 5 caps a fair few years ago. Has been cast into the abyss ever since. I've a theory he was found out to be not eligible ala Dave Halley and Chris Morley.

FWIW the list contains countless Celtic nation internationals e.g. Russell, Grix, Patrick

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I'd be willing to try Tomkins at 6, Widdop at 7. Second row is an interesting position now. A few players who could have a shot in there. 

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He got about 5 caps a fair few years ago. Has been cast into the abyss ever since. I've a theory he was found out to be not eligible ala Dave Halley and Chris Morley.

FWIW the list contains countless Celtic nation internationals e.g. Russell, Grix, Patrick

 

You are right, it does contain a lot of players who have represented Celtic nations, but all of them are eligible for an England call-up. Remember Rugby League has relaxed rules surrounding internationals! Look at Soliola, Civoniceva etc. Chances are you wouldn't pick most of them in this team anyway, I just wanted to include everyone who would be available for selection.

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Apparently if I want to name someone else as England coach I can specify here. So, here goes...

 

Ellery Hanley

 

 

Now, while I doff my cap to the coaching talents of Shaun Wane in particular, if you need someone to control a disparate group of blokes who knock seven shades out of one another regular season, Ellery is your man. No one, but no one, will argue with him. He was a supreme player, supreme leader, and he remains one of the most instantly recognisable figures in the game to outside parties.

Good point. I'll add his name to the poll and see if he gets any votes. Sure he will.

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Here's how the team would look if we turned off the poll right now:

 

1 Sam Tomkins
2 Josh Charnley
3 Kallum Watkins
4 Michael Shenton
5 Ryan Hall
6 Gareth Widdop
7 Marc Sneyd
8 James Graham
9 James Roby
10 George Burgess
11 Brett Ferres
12 John Bateman/Ben Westwood
13 Sean O'Loughlin
 
 
Some interesting selections.

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Here's how the team would look if we turned off the poll right now:

 

1 Sam Tomkins
2 Josh Charnley
3 Kallum Watkins
4 Michael Shenton
5 Ryan Hall
6 Gareth Widdop
7 Marc Sneyd
8 James Graham
9 James Roby
10 George Burgess
11 Brett Ferres
12 John Bateman/Ben Westwood
13 Sean O'Loughlin
 
 
Some interesting selections.

 

 

That would be a very good team. I would be happy if that was the starting team come the end of the year.

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I'm delighted to see that people are giving Michael Shenton the due recoginition for his outstanding form. When we released him early from his contract in what was surely one of the lowest points of his career I got the feeling that he was far from a spent force. A true professional who's now consistently playing to his best.

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Here's how the team would look if we turned off the poll right now:

 

1 Sam Tomkins

2 Josh Charnley

3 Kallum Watkins

4 Michael Shenton

5 Ryan Hall

6 Gareth Widdop

7 Marc Sneyd

8 James Graham

9 James Roby

10 George Burgess

11 Brett Ferres

12 John Bateman/Ben Westwood

13 Sean O'Loughlin

 

 

Some interesting selections.

How can you pick Charnley or for that matter O'Loughlin both who have hardly played this year so have no form to be judged by.

Selections should be made on current form not past glories

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How can you pick Charnley or for that matter O'Loughlin both who have hardly played this year so have no form to be judged by.

Selections should be made on current form not past glories

So if Thurston was injured for the first 15 games of the season Australia would rule him out of contention for the four nations? I doubt it.

O Loughlins class has been there for seasons. Doesn't matter if he has been injured this season.

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So if Thurston was injured for the first 15 games of the season Australia would rule him out of contention for the four nations? I doubt it.

O Loughlins class has been there for seasons. Doesn't matter if he has been injured this season.

Thought we were picking a side on current form

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Thought we were picking a side on current form

Where does it say that?

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Sorry thought that was the idea,ok lets pick players on last years performances

I don't see your point. You're saying we should ignore all previous seasons when picking an England side?

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