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not really.

A piece on Daryl Powell pushing Daryl Clark for England selection contains the following;

"England are scheduled to play Samoa at home at the end of October before flying down under to play Tests against Australia and New Zealand."

Sheer laziness

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Do you not think its a result of our inability as a sport at current, to interest journalists to enthusiastically cover our sport? Since I've moved away I've noticed that in the southern hemisphere, the reason our sport is so well received is that the NRL put some serious work in to keep our sport in the headlines, even a layman in NZ is pretty up to speed with the 'League'. I do think that our insular approach is a double edged sword, we can create such an awesome game and antheletes who are the envy of many other sports, but we shut out those who can help promote and socialise our sport as a result, much in the way a post on here spoke about Welsh language schools being so good at the nationals

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Do you not think its a result of our inability as a sport at current, to interest journalists to enthusiastically cover our sport? Since I've moved away I've noticed that in the southern hemisphere, the reason our sport is so well received is that the NRL put some serious work in to keep our sport in the headlines, even a layman in NZ is pretty up to speed with the 'League'. I do think that our insular approach is a double edged sword, we can create such an awesome game and antheletes who are the envy of many other sports, but we shut out those who can help promote and socialise our sport as a result, much in the way a post on here spoke about Welsh language schools being so good at the nationals

In Australia, at least, they are pushing against an already-open door. Whatever energy is put into pushing RL in the UK, it didn't stop the alleged cricket correspondent for The Independent Mike Calvin turning up at last year's CC Final, spending most of the time watching TV in hospitality, then writing an offensive and incoherent hatchet-job that was deemed worthy of being published.

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Do you not think its a result of our inability as a sport at current, to interest journalists to enthusiastically cover our sport? Since I've moved away I've noticed that in the southern hemisphere, the reason our sport is so well received is that the NRL put some serious work in to keep our sport in the headlines, even a layman in NZ is pretty up to speed with the 'League'. I do think that our insular approach is a double edged sword, we can create such an awesome game and antheletes who are the envy of many other sports, but we shut out those who can help promote and socialise our sport as a result, much in the way a post on here spoke about Welsh language schools being so good at the nationals

 

Just a suggestion. You might find it interesting to track down a copy of a book called 'The Petition'  written by Ray Gent published by the Parrs Wood Press.

 

Any doubt that RL has a very tough time getting itself heard in the media in this country will be well and truly dispelled by this book.

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Do you not think its a result of our inability as a sport at current, to interest journalists to enthusiastically cover our sport? Since I've moved away I've noticed that in the southern hemisphere, the reason our sport is so well received is that the NRL put some serious work in to keep our sport in the headlines, even a layman in NZ is pretty up to speed with the 'League'. I do think that our insular approach is a double edged sword, we can create such an awesome game and antheletes who are the envy of many other sports, but we shut out those who can help promote and socialise our sport as a result, much in the way a post on here spoke about Welsh language schools being so good at the nationals

No I don't think it is a result of any of that. There is a policy that see's RL given scant regard in comparison with other sports, regardless of what we are doing. That's  why papers like the Telegraph rank RL along with school sports.

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No I don't think it is a result of any of that. There is a policy that see's RL given scant regard in comparison with other sports, regardless of what we are doing. That's  why papers like the Telegraph rank RL along with school sports.

It isn't a policy; it's a bunch of lazy-minded hacks and the ingrained world-view they grew up absorbing from their predecessors. Nobody is interested in Rugby League - "everybody" "knows" that.

 

If it was a policy, then it could be exposed, challenged and overturned.

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It isn't a policy; it's a bunch of lazy-minded hacks and the ingrained world-view they grew up absorbing from their predecessors. Nobody is interested in Rugby League - "everybody" "knows" that.

 

If it was a policy, then it could be exposed, challenged and overturned.

Yes it's not a policy, it's a culture. And changing a corporate culture is extremely difficult.  Simon Kelner, brought up a Swinton supporter was editor of the Indy for yonks. Made no difference to their attitude to RL.  His brother broadcasts on R Leeds and used to write in the Grauniad, but he rarely mentions RL.  There were posts on here recently about Clive James, who apparently has hosted the Footy Show in Oz and actually played against the late Reg Gasnier, but you'd never know it from his writings in this country. Garry Richardson on Today regularly gets RL scores wrong, teams wrong and players' names wrong and it's treated as a joke by him, his fellow presenters, more importantly the producers of the programme.  It's easier to drop into the culture, take the money and not make waves.  

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Personally as I don't know what effort RL in all its guises does in building media relationship I wouldn't know if we get what we deserve.

 

Many sports don't get the coverage they would like or as RL "people" often seem to think "they demand they deserve".  I would like to see more but I can understand why we don't.  Even on Sky which one would imagine would want to promote the game they pay to cover doesn't cover it much on its mainstream sports news, nor does it get much coverage in its sister media newspaper publications, etc.  I suspect they as do other media outlets cover what they think there audience and readership mainly want covering.  I can't see commercial operations deliberate ignoring their customer base and in the case of the BBC what licence-payers mainly want to see.  It wouldn't be in any commercial companies culture to ignore its primary customers.

 

My observation for whats its worth is that RL in general with only a few exceptions hasn't much of a clue about marketing in its fuller sense.

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It isn't a policy; it's a bunch of lazy-minded hacks and the ingrained world-view they grew up absorbing from their predecessors. Nobody is interested in Rugby League - "everybody" "knows" that.

 

If it was a policy, then it could be exposed, challenged and overturned.

You say it isn't policy but the Telegraph included RL on its main sports information bar and now it doesn't. That is a policy decision in line with whatever business plan the paper has. The policy is reduce the profile of RL in this publication. It is not merely maintaining the neglect from traditional ingrained views, those views only make it easier to effect policy.

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It may be a decision, but it doesn't meant that it is policy.

 

For what it's worth the Telegraph produced some of the best UK journalism about the last Rugby World Cup.

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It may be a decision, but it doesn't meant that it is policy.

 

For what it's worth the Telegraph produced some of the best UK journalism about the last Rugby World Cup.

No, but the association of RL with the school sport section leads me to think that they wish principally to lower its comparative profile for whatever reason. They do this by making a decision to reduce its coverage and redefine its importance and the outcome of that decision is a lower profile. That is policy implementation.

 

For what it is worth the Telegraph web edition has 8 RL articles for May 2014( 17 appeared in 2010), compared to 180 for another sport (179 appeared in 2010). 4% of the coverage in comparison. I don't think laziness or culture covers that .

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Out of interest, does the RFL have a full time Press Officer? collecting stories, information etc from the various clubs and issuing them to the media outlets may see a rise in exposure especially if it really is laziness or ignorance that means we don't get the coverage we believe the product deserves.

 

There again is might not make any difference but surely its worth a go?

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Out of interest, does the RFL have a full time Press Officer? collecting stories, information etc from the various clubs and issuing them to the media outlets may see a rise in exposure especially if it really is laziness or ignorance that means we don't get the coverage we believe the product deserves.

 

There again is might not make any difference but surely its worth a go?

John Leger?

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It isn't a policy; it's a bunch of lazy-minded hacks and the ingrained world-view they grew up absorbing from their predecessors. Nobody is interested in Rugby League - "everybody" "knows" that.

 

If it was a policy, then it could be exposed, challenged and overturned.

I don't think your logic here is sound.It is a policy when National Dailies drop their RL journalists. Show me another sport with

the number of fans RL has that this has happened to. It is a policy when you send an ru hack to report on big league events.

Clearly the often I like league theme followed by a condescending, patronizing and disparaging piece is a common occurrence.

Policies are made up of decisions based on what you think of an item which is contained within, as you point out "..an ingrained

world view.." which informs your policy making processes. The lazy minded bit is just their usual lack of research which could be

any bit/piece/story/exclusive which is certainly not policy just their general condition. I don't know exactly how they got there,

or when all that began but I do know their treatment of RL is just a happy coincidence to their awful "writing".

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Ironically, although I bemoan the lack of coverage of RL:

 

1.  I do think the good people of RL are a bit unrealistic about the coverage it should get.  Most of the nation doesn't care about towns like Warrington, Castleford or Wakefield.

 

2.  The longer articles you now get in the press about sports are just utter tripe.  If I have to read again about how x player was just a few years ago walking the hallowed corridors of his sixth form college / larking about with his class mates but is now pulling on an England jersey / touring India / palying in a World Cup but he's just a normal lad and likes nothing more than playing on his x-box and having tea at his mum's but he'll just take one day at a time and he has a mature head on those broad shoulders I'll vomit.  In fact a report just telling me that England are playing x team and giving me the date, time and what channel it's on will do me just fine.  I can watch the bloddy thing myself then.

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Tonka- I can't agree or let this pass "1. I do think the good people of RL are a bit unrealistic about the coverage it should get. Most of the nation doesn't care about towns like Warrington, Castleford or Wakefield."

Just because people treat you in a certain way does not make it correct, acceptable or just. Putting the onus on RL fan's unrealistic expectations is simply a method of letting a lot of bias go unquestioned and blaming the victims. Most of the nation think Ant and Dec are great, you can subscribe to this or not but the use of the majority as evidence in any argument for anything

other than what sort of idiocy are they up to now? is largely useless.

Your point about the poor level of sports stories is an accurate one though. I think at some point the idea of journalism as the search for the truth and serving the public good was given up by journalists themselves more or less completely. They just

didn't bother to tell us, that's all. On the whole this is a dog bites man story. Now if you find a well written piece of

journalism actually addressing the truth about RL that is thoughtful,has no alternative agenda, well researched and facts all

checked in any one of "our" national newspapers that will be worth discussing if only for the purposes of proposing it as proof of an actual miracle to the catholic church!

"I have become a foreigner in a foreign land"

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Fair enough.

 

On my point 1, put it another way then.  How do I get someone from, say, Gloucester to watch a Super League match between Bradford and Wakefield?

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I am not, incidentally, seeking to undermine the disproportionately negative press the sport has had historically.

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Sadly it's simply about how may papers they can shift/people they can sign up to their web site.

 

RL is perceived, rightly or wrongly, as attracting fewer potential customers than the sports that they do feature so they limit the resources that they commit to its coverage. This is in a time of massively shrinking newspaper employment too, hence the majority of papers no long have dedicated reporters for any but "mainstream" sports.

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Fair enough.

 

On my point 1, put it another way then.  How do I get someone from, say, Gloucester to watch a Super League match between Bradford and Wakefield?

 

Because it is the top level of our game on display. Are you saying only residents of Derby and Bristol would watch a football match between the two?

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Fair enough.

 

On my point 1, put it another way then.  How do I get someone from, say, Gloucester to watch a Super League match between Bradford and Wakefield?

On those grounds, why would anyone in this country be bothered about games between teams from Seattle, Baltimore or Green Bay to use the example of three of the last four Superbowl winners?

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Maybe we wouldn't want to advertise a game between Bradford and Wakefield this season though, much as the Premier League wouldn't promote a game between, say, Sunderland and Norwich.

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Sadly it's simply about how may papers they can shift/people they can sign up to their web site.

 

RL is perceived, rightly or wrongly, as attracting fewer potential customers than the sports that they do feature so they limit the resources that they commit to its coverage. This is in a time of massively shrinking newspaper employment too, hence the majority of papers no long have dedicated reporters for any but "mainstream" sports.

The Telegraph covers RL to a ratio of 1:22.5 articles per month (May) compared to our rival. Even the most misinformed newspaper doesn't believe the English Premiership is 23 times larger than the SL.  If resources are a primary concern then how do they account for an 8 to 180 articles bias, 180 articles cost ££££ and 8 tantamount to ignoring a potential readership.  As said by Tonka most of the articles are utter tripe anyway, the consequence of the 24 hour news media.

I think it is accounted for by a newspaper investing in/promoting a particular sport and further helping that investment by devaluing a close rival.

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Smew. Not exclusively, but the majority, yes.

L.A. Not many do.

I think sport can be very tribal and parochial and one of rugby league fans' naivities is to think we've got the best product (which is up for debate anyway as it's wholly subjective) so people should watch it.

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Smew. Not exclusively, but the majority, yes.

L.A. Not many do.

I think sport can be very tribal and parochial and one of rugby league fans' naivities is to think we've got the best product (which is up for debate anyway as it's wholly subjective) so people should watch it.

Actually I would say RL fans are far more objective than most other sports fans. And in no way shape or form is the appreciation of a sport product wholly subjective.

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