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Ok I'll settle for very subjective then, not wholly.

 

I still think the mistake RL fans make is to say "We (objectively?) have the best product and therefore it should be more popular than it is"

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Ok I'll settle for very subjective then, not wholly.

 

I still think the mistake RL fans make is to say "We (objectively?) have the best product and therefore it should be more popular than it is"

Yes subjectivity is a part but the mistake we make is that our strength lies in objectivity and objectivity is not used when our product gets put out there to other audiences. 

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Ok I'll settle for very subjective then, not wholly.

 

I still think the mistake RL fans make is to say "We (objectively?) have the best product and therefore it should be more popular than it is"

 

 

Part of the problem is that too many see the game as the product. Yep we have a great game but the live product needs improving for modern audiences. 

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Part of the problem is that too many see the game as the product. Yep we have a great game but the live product needs improving for modern audiences. 

I understand your point, specific reference to live product, improvement is always a consideration.

But so much of the evolution of the  RL live product over the last 20 years is not based around the actual grass underfoot sport but other factors. Attempted improvement for modern audiences is a considerably flawed notion, too many assumption surrounding what is a "modern audience".

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Not fair comment re the Kelner brothers.Simon was instrumental in the Indy sponsoring the Student World Cup some years ago with coverage throughout the tournament and Martin very often mentions League on Fighting Talk and when he wrote for The Guardian(He was laid off a couple of years ago) , his Monday column very often mentioned League in flattering terms.

 

I think we are of an age where we think the printed press is important.My kids get all their news and info via the web and i have to say in this area League fans and bloggers are way ahead of Union .

 

Doesn't mean that we stop fighting for coverage and recognition but even with wall to wall coverage in broadsheets , Union still struggles to break through the general sporting consciousness and remember that they would have to double the size of their stadiums in 2003 based on the new popularity of Union led by Jonny.

 

Look at the views on You Tube of League action clips and you will see that the promotion of the sport is DIY and long may it continue to grow.

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I agree that you can get lots of excellent Rugby League information and news online. Let's face it, you can't get it anywhere much else in the UK (dedicated magazines and newspapers excepted).

 

So it's all there if you are looking for it. Preaching to the converted or, in other words, not reaching out to the wider public.  

 

Getting more than the most grudging paragraph in the national press or broadcast media, which is where the rest of the population go for their sporting news, is still important.

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I was listening to the Today programme this morning. At approx. 8-50 am there was an item which lasted about five minutes about Bristol RU possibly getting into the Union premiership.  Last year Wigan won the CC, and the Championship, and the soccer side won the FA Cup.  I don't recall the Today programme devoting five minutes or even five seconds of air time to that feat.  If you asked them they'd deny bias, as I say it's just their culture, they don't see anything wrong with the disparity.

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In the Times today they have covered Paul March's pitchside ban for verbally assaulting a referee.

But included a picture of Brad Drew.

I retract my earlier comments.

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I was listening to the Today programme this morning. At approx. 8-50 am there was an item which lasted about five minutes about Bristol RU possibly getting into the Union premiership.  Last year Wigan won the CC, and the Championship, and the soccer side won the FA Cup.  I don't recall the Today programme devoting five minutes or even five seconds of air time to that feat.  If you asked them they'd deny bias, as I say it's just their culture, they don't see anything wrong with the disparity.

 

Yes I caught that on the radio.

 

But I'm obviously less forgiving than you.

 

And as a licence payer I feel entitled to expect greater impartiality and professionalism.

 

On this mornings program during the sports section they came out with one of their favourite phrases  '--- and more on Rugby Union in an hours time'

 

The biggest sporting tournament in the world, the Football World Cup is just a week away. It dwarfs any other World Cup / Series by a long way.

 

But even that can't kick Rugby Union out of the limelight and into touch on Radio 4

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Just looking at the BBC RL page. The CC is on Sat obviously shown on the BBC, only Friday left if there is to be any BBC web based buildup!

They are already announcing the BBC coverage of Wimbledon on the Tennis page and the French open.

F1 is showing on Sat too and plenty announcing that.

They are illustrating  RU internationals for Sat and they aren't covering it on tv only radio. 

 

Oops just seen, hidden away at the foot of other RL articles on the BBC page a link to a Wigan Cas article, couldn't be shorter or less involved, a few quotes from Wane from a Radio Manchester interview. It's almost as if they are not bothered.

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Just looking at the BBC RL page. The CC is on Sat obviously shown on the BBC, only Friday left if there is to be any BBC web based buildup!

They are already announcing the BBC coverage of Wimbledon on the Tennis page and the French open.

F1 is showing on Sat too and plenty announcing that.

They are illustrating  RU internationals for Sat and they aren't covering it on tv only radio. 

 

Oops just seen, hidden away at the foot of other RL articles on the BBC page a link to a Wigan Cas article, couldn't be shorter or less involved, a few quotes from Wane from a Radio Manchester interview. It's almost as if they are not bothered.

 

They are not bothered.

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They are not bothered.

 

seems strange that they are covering any games then,,,

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seems strange that they are covering any games then,,,

They may just get them on the cheap and continue to get them on the cheap by not pushing the sport. And traditionally what club rugby could they have covered over the many prior decades, amateur games in front of half a dozen people?

And I mean it is not like they have a brimful of sports in the cup. Must cost them a fortune just for the Tennis and F1.

They may cover the games but I have always got a sense that RL has to know its place.

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Fair enough.

 

On my point 1, put it another way then.  How do I get someone from, say, Gloucester to watch a Super League match between Bradford and Wakefield?

Tonka

The assumption is that they don't watch- assumptions by all sorts of people in the chain - but the Gloucester All Golds , Bristol Sonics and others are not made up of entirely of exiled northerners. The assumption creates the image or stereotype or policy. It's essentially a self-fulfilling prophecy so much so that even many dyed in the wool RL fans accept as truths. This has been so endemic in the culture of this country that people who have never seen a game are likely to use RL as an image of dourness, boredom, northern put down and general " Oh I wouldn't go there if I were you" It's actually a marketing nightmare! But you sell each game as best you can and you engage with Sky to stop the constant referral to some games as higher quality, superior or more important  because of who's playing!

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Last question on Question of Sport this week .....

 

In what country would you find Wests Tigers and Newcastle Jets ?

 

Eh dear.

 

And so it goes on ........................

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Last question on Question of Sport this week .....

 

In what country would you find Wests Tigers and Newcastle Jets ?

 

Eh dear.

 

And so it goes on ........................

 

That's the 'soccer' team in Newcastle, so technically there isn't anything incorrect with that question.

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I was listening to the Today programme this morning. At approx. 8-50 am there was an item which lasted about five minutes about Bristol RU possibly getting into the Union premiership.  Last year Wigan won the CC, and the Championship, and the soccer side won the FA Cup.  I don't recall the Today programme devoting five minutes or even five seconds of air time to that feat.  If you asked them they'd deny bias, as I say it's just their culture, they don't see anything wrong with the disparity.

 

This possibly reflects the preferences of the presenters as much as anything. Justin Webb is a union fan, and likes to get articles in as often as possible. He did one a few months ago about Bath using GPS technology on their players, a startling and amazing new development that league has had for quite some time. He also butted in on a rare interview with Robbie Hunter-Paul during the sports bulletin a year or so ago to talk about Kyle Eastmond. I find it a bit annoying, but not as annoying as James Naughtie, who likes to lever in some article about someone writing a poem somewhere, and usually introduces it with a much weight as is humanly possible: "The Poet Laureate....(dramatic pause)... has written a new poem...(dramatic pause)...about daffodils...(dramatic pause)...to celebrate National Daffodil Day". Leave it out Jim. It belongs on an arts programme, not your flagship news thing.

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This possibly reflects the preferences of the presenters as much as anything. Justin Webb is a union fan, and likes to get articles in as often as possible. He did one a few months ago about Bath using GPS technology on their players, a startling and amazing new development that league has had for quite some time. He also butted in on a rare interview with Robbie Hunter-Paul during the sports bulletin a year or so ago to talk about Kyle Eastmond. I find it a bit annoying, but not as annoying as James Naughtie, who likes to lever in some article about someone writing a poem somewhere, and usually introduces it with a much weight as is humanly possible: "The Poet Laureate....(dramatic pause)... has written a new poem...(dramatic pause)...about daffodils...(dramatic pause)...to celebrate National Daffodil Day". Leave it out Jim. It belongs on an arts programme, not your flagship news thing.

Red John I have to counsel you here A) you're in danger of aggravating the blue meanies :superblue: B) being wordy is, apparently a crime C) The Beeb is ru biased does not make headline news - and  D) really !the poet Laureate  annoys you more than constant, consistent bias for over a hundred years mostly by an organisation that is happy to accept all our licence fees whilst pretending some of us don't matter!!!

Have you got the Idea of we all count except when someone says so or do you have a wish to be dismissed? 

DUCK! ( From the rise opposite the Grassy Knoll ) or anyone with a different point of view on here) Uh oh, might have disturbed the hornets myself!

 

"But it's all right now

I learned my lesson well

You see, ya can't please everyone

So ya got to please yourself" Ricky Nelson

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That's the 'soccer' team in Newcastle, so technically there isn't anything incorrect with that question.

 

Oh well - fair enough. The question was interrupted by the hooter, I suppose.

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That's the 'soccer' team in Newcastle, so technically there isn't anything incorrect with that question.

What do you mean 'soccer' team? They are a soccer team.

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