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Fiji to enter 2015 NSW Cup

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When I first saw that they'd be playing out of ANZ stadium, I'd forgot that was also the name of their national ground. Would be fantastic for the international game, a real opportunity to establish the code in Fiji and develop them as a more competitive nation.

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Looks like the stunning success of the sp hunters in the Queensland cup is making the powers that be sit up and take notice to the benefits of international expansion. This needs to happen as soon as possible, just think of the boost it would give to Fijian rugby league.

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Another breeding ground for future Australian internationals...

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unlikey...cos the domestic setups in tonga & samoa lag way,way behind fiji and of course PNG who have a team in the QLD cup....

but it should be a obvious goal for tonga & samoa...

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Here is a question - how come if the pacific island teams can make a stab of it competing in the second tier of Australian Rugby league, then the French teams (I am thinking Toulouse) can't do it in the second tier of British Rugby League? Am I missing out on some huge funding to the pacific island teams?

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The main problem with Toulouse was the Championship salary cap was lower than the French Elite 1 salary cap so they weren't the 2nd best team in France. The salary cap in the new format will be much higher plus the French Elite 1 has gone backwards and had to do a split season thing with Elite 2

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its a different culture...

take the PNG hunters,a brand new "club",they have funding from the government & PNGRL and have national sponsorship deal...its a "national issue" thing

where as toulouse are a old stand alone,independent business..

the wales RL & South wales venture is similar,if not identical,to whats happening in png & fiji....and i see no reason why the scottish & irish RL can create and promote one of their domestic clubs into the championship and use it as a development pathway for players from the domestic league into a higher standard of league and beyond.

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Here is a question - how come if the pacific island teams can make a stab of it competing in the second tier of Australian Rugby league, then the French teams (I am thinking Toulouse) can't do it in the second tier of British Rugby League? Am I missing out on some huge funding to the pacific island teams?

 

Because France is not PNG or Fiji...The Hunters are making headlines in PNG, Toulouse in Championship will make 5 lines in the local paper.
 
Just ask yourself: if a british handball or basketball team were invited in the french second tier, would it drives any extra support for the club or the sport in Britain ? I guess not..

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its a different culture...

take the PNG hunters,a brand new "club",they have funding from the government & PNGRL and have national sponsorship deal...its a "national issue" thing

where as toulouse are a old stand alone,independent business..

the wales RL & South wales venture is similar,if not identical,to whats happening in png & fiji....and i see no reason why the scottish & irish RL can create and promote one of their domestic clubs into the championship and use it as a development pathway for players from the domestic league into a higher standard of league and beyond.

Scotland only has 4 clubs though admittedly Aberdeen Warriors in particular have a strong set up. Ireland is just here today gone tomorrow teams playing a short season with not a junior in sight.

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its a different culture...

take the PNG hunters,a brand new "club",they have funding from the government & PNGRL and have national sponsorship deal...its a "national issue" thing

where as toulouse are a old stand alone,independent business..

the wales RL & South wales venture is similar,if not identical,to whats happening in png & fiji....and i see no reason why the scottish & irish RL can create and promote one of their domestic clubs into the championship and use it as a development pathway for players from the domestic league into a higher standard of league and beyond.

 

How long before there is great pressure for the NRL to expand to let some of these teams in or, heaven forbid, there is a movement for p and r between the lower tiers and the NRL ?

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How long before there is great pressure for the NRL to expand to let some of these teams in or, heaven forbid, there is a movement for p and r between the lower tiers and the NRL ?

P&R is not part of Australian RL culture. I dare say they'd try regional divisions or something else before P&R even occurred to them.

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P&R is not part of Australian RL culture. I dare say they'd try regional divisions or something else before P&R even occurred to them.

 

I think you are right. I think the NRL will have to expand though eventually in some form or another.

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BTW I wasn't trying to stir with that comment. Maybe I can see how PNG is very different to Toulouse, with RL being the national game and all. That said, if the players aren't fully pro, surely at least some of the same things affect them as it did the Toulouse players. IIRC, it wasn't the lack of media interest that lead to Toulouse not doing well, it was more the travelling and having to take time off work. Add in the salary cap with the Elite 1 having more dough, I suppose.

 

However, Fiji is a different story - they have further to travel. Although it is a country, it appears that the population is smaller than that of Toulouse (I think). Also, I don't think that RL is the national sport there, is it?

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RL's not the national sport but it is very popular. I guess part time Aussie wages would be full time wages in Fiji and even better than that in PNG?

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Another breeding ground for future Australian internationals...

Most Australian Test players are drawn from the SOO Squads I believe.

You can not qualify to play SOO that easily under the new regulations  so how are Adult Fijian players going to become Kangaroos in your opinion?

 

Unless they live in Australia for enough years and are chosen on residency, who would that be?

In recent times Uate and Tamou who both moved to Australia as Schoolkids.

The only Tier one Nation that poaches developed players is.......

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Nice to have Boxhead back.

 

Now, on the thread about lions Tours, there was some debate about the Aussies' approach to the international game.

Set against the presumption that they do not care, we have this and the PNG Queensland Cup team (and more England players in the NRL).

If the game's greatest strength is the NRL - which is already international - with 4 Nations and World Cups being by far the only serious international competition we can muster, then how about a system with, say pro clubs in the 7 nations which have the deepest domestic roots, with a 4 year World Cup on top?

Dare I say it, it could be a work of accidental genius. What is likely to benefit the game long term more in Fiji and PNG - a Pacific nations competition every 4 years, or week in, week out high level competition every week? So, we could have 2 pro clubs in Wales, 2 in SL1/2 in France, NZ in the NRL and PNG/Fiji in Qland/NSW Cups (probably only slightly lower standard than the bottom of SL).

It's a shame that the RLIF don't claim this idea as part of a masterplan, because it looks superb from where I am sitting.

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I am a little bewildered by this idea that the Aussies aren't looking to improve the standing of RL internationally. Now, they seem to think that their brand of the game is the nuts, but at least they have the confidence. But I digress - my point is that where I am (and anywhere that there is not a dedicated TV station showing it), I can watch all the NRL tv games and the SOO gratis and for free on a pretty damned good live stream. Does the SL provide that service?

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Most Australian Test players are drawn from the SOO Squads I believe.

You can not qualify to play SOO that easily under the new regulations so how are Adult Fijian players going to become Kangaroos in your opinion?

Unless they live in Australia for enough years and are chosen on residency, who would that be?

In recent times Uate and Tamou who both moved to Australia as Schoolkids.

The only Tier one Nation that poaches developed players is.......

It only takes three years to gain residency. I assume the ultimate goal of any Fijian RL player would be to play in the NRL. Won't take too long for them to be given the opportunity to declare.

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Another breeding ground for future Australian internationals...

How so?

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It only takes three years to gain residency. I assume the ultimate goal of any Fijian RL player would be to play in the NRL. Won't take too long for them to be given the opportunity to declare.

When has a Fijian rugby league player ever signed to move to an Australian nrl club and then played for Australia?

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