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Totally disillusioned with international rugby league

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So after a great World Cup which showed the potential of international rugby league, there is no World cup legacy, England will not be playing in England for the next few years. Australia have decided there not gonna play next year. David Smith has been made vice chairman of the RLIF even though he heads up the NRL (no conflict of interest there then)

 

Does a single person running our game have any vision or something about them which could push the international game forward?

 

The NRL and State of Origin for all its positives have become huge monsters which dwarves over the rest of the sport and in many ways is preventing it from developing. 

 

Another problem......We are obsessed with Australia and do not see the value of developing the sport in Europe on our doorstep.  We do not play France and Wales enough and Australia do not play the Pacific teams enough, yes they'll get thrashed but getting thrashed is the only way you'll learn and get better. They will not get better by refusing to play them. 

 

What happened to good old fashioned international rugby league which doesn't have to involve England, NZ, and Oz playing each other over and over. 

 

People running the greatest game are way too short sighted and lack vision. 

 

The international game has actually gone backwards since the 1995 World Cup...appalling.

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What happened to good old fashioned international rugby league which doesn't have to involve England, NZ, and Oz playing each other over and over.

Aside from France and the odd appearance from Wales that is unfortunately all the international RL has consisted of unil the last 20 years.

And no, it's gone forward since 1995.

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What happened to good old fashioned international rugby league which doesn't have to involve England, NZ, and Oz playing each other over and over.

Aside from France and the odd appearance from Wales that is unfortunately all the international RL has consisted of unil the last 20 years.

And no, it's gone forward since 1995.

It's gone forwards? explain.

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It's gone forwards? explain.

More nations playing the game. That's forwards.

 

The Australian mindset was insular in 1995 and it is the same in 2014. That's neither forwards or backwards, just regrettable.

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So after a great World Cup which showed the potential of international rugby league, there is no World cup legacy, England will not be playing in England for the next few years. Australia have decided there not gonna play next year. David Smith has been made vice chairman of the RLIF even though he heads up the NRL (no conflict of interest there then)

 

Does a single person running our game have any vision or something about them which could push the international game forward?

 

The NRL and State of Origin for all its positives have become huge monsters which dwarves over the rest of the sport and in many ways is preventing it from developing. 

 

Another problem......We are obsessed with Australia and do not see the value of developing the sport in Europe on our doorstep.  We do not play France and Wales enough and Australia do not play the Pacific teams enough, yes they'll get thrashed but getting thrashed is the only way you'll learn and get better. They will not get better by refusing to play them. 

 

What happened to good old fashioned international rugby league which doesn't have to involve England, NZ, and Oz playing each other over and over. 

 

People running the greatest game are way too short sighted and lack vision. 

 

The international game has actually gone backwards since the 1995 World Cup...appalling.

Absolutely right unfortunately, you've hit the nail on the head the biggest RL game on the planet isn't England v Australia or NZ v Australia but a match between 2 Australian state teams(nsw&queensland). Is it any wonder why the likes of Kyle eastmond and now Sam burgess have switched codes.

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OK a string of posts outlining the problem but not the solution. 

 

Where would we be now if two French clubs and two NZ clubs had been admitted to NRL/SL in 1996, properly backed and carefully run?

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OK a string of posts outlining the problem but not the solution. 

 

Where would we be now if two French clubs and two NZ clubs had been admitted to NRL/SL in 1996, properly backed and carefully run?

In a stronger position would be my guess, 2 French clubs with academies run on similar lines as the nz warriors would have meant a bigger player pool for the French playing at a higher standard week in week out in super league as opposed to elite 1, with an international program for the French national side to boot.

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Genuine question, has Nigel Wood organised anything yet since taking the top job at the RLIF?

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The pinicle of the game is SoO.

Till we can get somewhere near that. The Aussies will not bother.

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The pinicle of the game is SoO.

Till we can get somewhere near that. The Aussies will not bother.

It's difficult to get anywhere near it when access to the International game is so limited...

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It's especially galling when we have people like our own legendary Bob8 doing the stuff they do for nothing other than the love of the game.

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The pinicle of the game is SoO.

Till we can get somewhere near that. The Aussies will not bother.

Somewhere near it? The WC semi between Eng-NZ not only matched it, it passed om it from a great height.

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It's especially galling when we have people like our own legendary Bob8 doing the stuff they do for nothing other than the love of the game.

Thank you, John.  It was very good to catch up with you at the legendary Black Swan.

 

We have Yanto and Der Kaiser on here too.  

 

We are not too concerned with getting a game against England or Australia for the moment. Sweden, Norway, Latvia, Germany and Poland offer more than enough options.

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Thank you, John. It was very good to catch up with you at the legendary Black Swan.

We have Yanto and Der Kaiser on here too.

We are not too concerned with getting a game against England or Australia for the moment. Sweden, Norway, Latvia, Germany and Poland offer more than enough options.

Yes can't forget those guys. I'm sure you aren't looking to defeat the Kangaroos. ...yet. But the point is that if you looked at it like some Aussies (not all by any means) you wouldn't bother trying.

And Denmark RL has one new supporter! Magic Weekend for Copenhagen!

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David Smith has been made vice chairman of the RLIF even though he heads up the NRL (no conflict of interest there then)

 

 

I'd have thought having David Smith as vice-chairman of the RLIF would be a good thing - hopefully he can have an influence on the NRL to see that international RL is VITAL to grow the game worldwide AND in Australia

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Somewhere near it? The WC semi between Eng-NZ not only matched it, it passed om it from a great height.

Heretic, burn him!!!

Everyone knows the local squabble between ex prison colonies is the pinnacle of world sporting excellence

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Heretic, burn him!!!

Everyone knows the local squabble between ex prison colonies is the pinnacle of world sporting excellence

Attendances, tv viewing figures, media hype, sponsorship and revenues would suggest it is the pinnacle of rugby league excellence(unfortunately).

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Attendances, tv viewing figures, media hype, sponsorship and revenues would suggest it is the pinnacle of rugby league excellence(unfortunately).

So what should we do? Abolish SOO because it is so successful? Why can't we just enjoy TGG for what it is?

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So what should we do? Abolish SOO because it is so successful? Why can't we just enjoy TGG for what it is?

Stop using it as the end in itself and start using it as a means to an end.

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Somewhere near it? The WC semi between Eng-NZ not only matched it, it passed om it from a great height.

 

It did.  It was a tremendous game.  I might recover from it one day.

 

But you can normally guarantee at least 2 out of the 3 origin games will be as close as that and match it in terms of intensity, crowd etc etc.

 

Most times England don't play that well.

 

As I said elsewhere: we can't be bitching about the aussies when, firstly, we can't even organise a European schedule for England, France and Wales and, secondly, we're doing nothing to create anything like as inspiring as Origin here.  Instead we're dicking around with the bottom end of SL and adding more club games.

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So after a great World Cup which showed the potential of international rugby league, there is no World cup legacy, England will not be playing in England for the next few years. Australia have decided there not gonna play next year. David Smith has been made vice chairman of the RLIF even though he heads up the NRL (no conflict of interest there then)

 

Your point on Australia not playing next year isn't strictly true, as they'll be playing the mid season Anzac Test and will probably play the Kiwis in a one off again post season, as they did in 2012. 

 

Not quite sure what point you're trying to make about David Smith's appointment being a conflict of interest. You could make the same claim about Nigel Wood.

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I aren't actually slating Origin as I love it. It's just not the be all and end all. Your assesment is pretty accurate but nonetheless that game meant more to more people than Origin.

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I aren't actually slating Origin as I love it. It's just not the be all and end all. Your assesment is pretty accurate but nonetheless that game meant more to more people than Origin.

 

I know Origin shouldn't be the pinnacle but it's fairly obvious that, right now, it is.

 

If we really wanted international football to become greater than Origin then we should be looking to get something of the same intensity and excitement into our season.  But we're not, so internationals will drop further and further off the professional agenda.

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Time for us to concentrate on European Rugby League!!, let's have a yearly euro nations cup(yes England would win it) and develop our euro neighbours and eventully once they've milked the dollar dry then so would NRL.

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In a stronger position would be my guess, 2 French clubs with academies run on similar lines as the nz warriors would have meant a bigger player pool for the French playing at a higher standard week in week out in super league as opposed to elite 1, with an international program for the French national side to boot.

 

Given they dumped the England.v.France tests then international RL is clearly sacrificed for English club RL.

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