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From reading that article, I think it does just mean that some European Championship games will be staged at venues used in last years WC. Presumably, they're waiting on football fixtures to be announced before they can confirm venues.

 

Not sure playing a game at the same venue 12 months later is actually a 'World Cup legacy', but it will be nice if we can get at least some Internationals announced for this country some time soon...

If they are talking World Cup venues, then I hope they are talking about French, Irish and Welsh grounds, with maybe England Knights playing in England (if they still exist).

 

Staging a game between, say Scotland and Italy at Workington would be rubbish and as fake as the Pacific Islanders playing in Sydney all the time.

 

England Knights v Scotland in Cumbria  could work.

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If they are talking World Cup venues, then I hope they are talking about French, Irish and Welsh grounds, with maybe England Knights playing in England (if they still exist).

 

Staging a game between, say Scotland and Italy at Workington would be rubbish and as fake as the Pacific Islanders playing in Sydney all the time.

 

England Knights v Scotland in Cumbria  could work.

 

I agree that Fiji and Tonga, not so much Samoa, should play at least on e game a year in Fiji or Tonga. If they played each other, it would have a derby type rivalry atmosphere. I bet they could get 10,000 crowds in each country. The costs not covered by gate receipts and TV coverage should be subsidised from WC profits. The benefits for the game in each country would be enormous and might just hit RU there very hard.

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I agree that Fiji and Tonga, not so much Samoa, should play at least on e game a year in Fiji or Tonga. If they played each other, it would have a derby type rivalry atmosphere. I bet they could get 10,000 crowds in each country. The costs not covered by gate receipts and TV coverage should be subsidised from WC profits. The benefits for the game in each country would be enormous and might just hit RU there very hard.

I know it is expensive, but I can't help but feel that subsidising the likes of Wales or France (2 of the more authentic Test teams) to travel to the Pacific Islands and PNG on a regular basis, plus the Pacific Island teams to Europe would be a great move and really help to create proper teams based in these countries.

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I know it is expensive, but I can't help but feel that subsidising the likes of Wales or France (2 of the more authentic Test teams) to travel to the Pacific Islands and PNG on a regular basis, plus the Pacific Island teams to Europe would be a great move and really help to create proper teams based in these countries.

 

That's a great idea as well but likely, as you say, to be much more expensive especially in terms of travel costs.

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That's a great idea as well but likely, as you say, to be much more expensive especially in terms of travel costs.

This is where the 4N needs to be driven forwards to benefit the international game, not to line the pockets of the RFL, ARL or NZRL.

 

It certainly is not cheap, but with the right strategy I think it is possible to bring over Tonga and Samoa alongside Australia and NZ during a 4N year. We have now seen that there is a demand to watch these nations, although it should be recognised that these games would be outside of a WC.

 

France can get decent crowds, as can Wales in the right grounds, and I suspect Cumbria would flock to see the likes of Tonga and Warrington have an affinity with Samoa now. 

 

We need to move away from the belief that these countries will only attract 1-2k, with the right plan and promotion they can absolutely be crowd favourites.

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 Who'd a thought that we''d get to a point in history where the diggers look more pompous than the Royal Family? Get your act together or you'll be the only ones      playing the game, and you've already got a model for how boring that can be in your own back yard! ( Oh, sorry you already think you are the only ones playing the game!)

"Is he an Aussie
Is he, is he,
Is he an Aussie is he, eh?
Is it because
He is an Aussie
That he makes you dizzy,
Lizzie?" :shout::ph34r:

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In effect the NRL and the ESL have decided that International Rugby League is secondary to their agenda.

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Agreed , the crowd figures were very good. The whole thing made money. It kind of preached to the converted though. It was a success. Are you happy with the same thing happening again?

Several games being sold out in advance and a good crowd at Wembley? Yeah, I would be happy to see that again.

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The perceived success of Italy and USA in the RLWC was a scam. If the two teams were to meet any time soon the only viable venue would be Sydney.If you don't know it already , that's where most of their teams are from. RLWC apologists claim that fixing sides with heritage players prevented missmatchs [blow outs] . In their minds that equated to making the game "global". Short sighted nonsense.

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The perceived success of Italy and USA in the RLWC was a scam. If the two teams were to meet any time soon the only viable venue would be Sydney.If you don't know it already , that's where most of their teams are from. RLWC apologists claim that fixing sides with heritage players prevented missmatchs [blow outs] . In their minds that equated to making the game "global". Short sighted nonsense.

 

The USA qualified for the last world cup by playing in the USA against SA and Jamaica using mostly home grown players from their domestic league, which has grown since then. They can do it again. Once they qualified they did indeed pick a team of ex pat Americans and ditched some of their domestic players who helped them qualify but I think the team that did play all had as bona fide American connections or  American passports.

 

Italy also qualified by playing in Italy and barely defeated a Lebanon side to qualify on points difference I think. As with the USA the Italian League is growing. The use of heritage players to get a good performance at the WC was great publicity for the game in each country which must have enhanced the knowledge and interest in the game.

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The USA qualified for the last world cup by playing in the USA against SA and Jamaica using mostly home grown players from their domestic league, which has grown since then. They can do it again. Once they qualified they did indeed pick a team of ex pat Americans and ditched some of their domestic players who helped them qualify but I think the team that did play all had as bona fide American connections or  American passports.

 

Italy also qualified by playing in Italy and barely defeated a Lebanon side to qualify on points difference I think. As with the USA the Italian League is growing. The use of heritage players to get a good performance at the WC was great publicity for the game in each country which must have enhanced the knowledge and interest in the game.

 

No it was not. For instance, I can't find a single article related to the RLWC on the Gazzetta delo Sport (major sport newspaper in Italy) website.
 
A new sport in a country with an allready established sporting landscape has really not a lot to offer to his members. The possibility of representing his own nation in sporting's events for people who would never had a shot at otherwise is one of the few advantages a new sport has. RL has managed to spoil it. Congrats.

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I don't think it's fair to compare the situation in the USA with Italy. The USA team was mostly down to spitefulness on the AMNRL's part, there are genuine Americans playing the game who've represented their country several times, who were dropped for the WC. Now the AMNRL has finally died, the game can start to move forward in the US with only one true body there now. In Italy, there is next to no development going on, only the 'rebel' federation are doing any work, which is the same as pre-WC. The national team for the European B, is largely made up of heritage players and union players playing for, what I suspect, is fake teams in the governing bodies league. The only way the sport will grow in Italy, is if the governing body dies off like in the USA. 

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No it was not. For instance, I can't find a single article related to the RLWC on the Gazzetta delo Sport (major sport newspaper in Italy) website.
 
A new sport in a country with an allready established sporting landscape has really not a lot to offer to his members. The possibility of representing his own nation in sporting's events for people who would never had a shot at otherwise is one of the few advantages a new sport has. RL has managed to spoil it. Congrats.

 

 

The Wiggles did a song on u tube about the USA team in the world cup. Apparently they are popular with kids world wide so some American kids will have watched it.

 

What about local papers on towns where RL has a team in both Italy and the USA.I know for instance that the Rhode Island Rebellion have articles in the Providence Journal on their team so a US national team article may have crept in as well.The chance to represent their country in qualifiers and European championships will be a good enough carrot to attract new players. Down the road the goal should be to have mostly home based players representing these countries but for RLWC it was a bridge too far. I do agree there should have been a few more domestic players in each squad though.

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The USA team got some domestic media coverage, although not a huge lot, but it was all very positive.

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I cant think how this last RLWC promotes the game . I don't want to watch Australians pretending to be other  nationals. Its not a good look. Spin all you like but it takes League down a no exit cul de sac.

 We need a touring GB side in Aus and a strong France. Both achievable.

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I cant think how this last RLWC promotes the game . I don't want to watch Australians pretending to be other  nationals. Its not a good look. Spin all you like but it takes League down a no exit cul de sac.

 We need a touring GB side in Aus and a strong France. Both achievable.

 

Both those aims have nothing to do with the heritage player rant you were on before. Why can't we have both a GB touring side, a strong France and other nations playing heritage players until their domestic leagues grow and prosper and produce some home grown stars.

 

In fact with Widdop, Reed, Chase in their squad you might almost accuse England of going the heritage player route.

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In fact with Widdop, Reed, Chase in their squad you might almost accuse England of going the heritage player route.

How are Widdop and Chase heritage players? By that criteria so are Burgess and Graham. They are English guys living and/or playing in Australia...that's not heritage.

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Widdop moved to Australia when he was 16 and had already played RL in England before he left. Chase isn't a heritage player, but a residency player, though he really isn't an improvement on what we already have. Reed, you could argue, isn't an English player, as he moved to Australia at 2 and played all his RL there, but I don't think he is good enough anyway. The only heritage player to play for England was Heighnington, who was pony and hopefully won't put on the shirt again. 

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Reed hasn't played all his RL in Australia, i am sure there is some footage around of him playing amateur footy for one of the Keighley clubs.

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Reed hasn't played all his RL in Australia, i am sure there is some footage around of him playing amateur footy for one of the Keighley clubs.

 

From 2011.

 

Reed was born near Keighley, emigrating with his parents Joe and Kath at the age of two, and last season turned out for his village team Silsden while holidaying in Europe.

 

He made three appearances in Division Four of the Pennine League, with the offer of pre-season trials for the Cougars – and his father even paid his air fare as a 21st birthday present.

 

But the strong-running centre or second-rower was thrown a lifeline by Brisbane Norths and from there was spotted by the Broncos, where he has become an ever-present in a sensational debut season.

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How are Widdop and Chase heritage players? By that criteria so are Burgess and Graham. They are English guys living and/or playing in Australia...that's not heritage.

 

Because they grew up and played their RL in Australia or NZ but are UK qualified. Most of the US, Fiji, Italy and Samoan players are the same. Their outlook and knowledge of life will be much more orientated to Aus or NZ than English.

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The only heritage player to play for England was Heighnington, who was pony and hopefully won't put on the shirt again. 

 

You'll be pleased to hear he hasn't given up hope of playing again for England, and has apparently even rejected advances to get him in the NSW City v Country game so he can still play for England. Not that I'd pick him, but then again, I'm not selecting the England team. 

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Because they grew up and played their RL in Australia or NZ but are UK qualified. Most of the US, Fiji, Italy and Samoan players are the same. Their outlook and knowledge of life will be much more orientated to Aus or NZ than English.

Widdop didn't leave the uk until almost an adult.

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The Elephant in the room is about to lift its trunk and bellow " We had the best ever RLWC".In this case the Elephant should be Ignored. As Ive asked before , where will the USA play Italy ? Sydney is the only venue .

If you are happy with International Rugby League teams being made up of Australians[and Kiwis and Pacific Islanders of course]then be happy with that. Don't pretend otherwise.

The NRL is run by boguns who dictate the future of any International game. Back to square 1 in 4 years.

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The Elephant in the room is about to lift its trunk and bellow " We had the best ever RLWC".In this case the Elephant should be Ignored. As Ive asked before , where will the USA play Italy ? Sydney is the only venue .

If you are happy with International Rugby League teams being made up of Australians[and Kiwis and Pacific Islanders of course]then be happy with that. Don't pretend otherwise.

The NRL is run by boguns who dictate the future of any International game. Back to square 1 in 4 years.

Jumbo says 'we had a really good WC'. That this legacy is being wasted is neither here nor there.

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