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The very reason I hate buying cars. When we picked up my wife's car the seller (private) was very upfront with all of the faults and told us how much they would cost. No BS and a reasonable asking price taking into account the work needed doing, why can't all transactions be like that?

It's bloody annoying and why I've given myself plenty of time to get the car right.  The thing that most annoyed me is that the guy showed me the current MoT, just done, and that it had been last serviced by Jaguar fewer than 5000 miles before, what he hadn't told me was that in the 18 months he's had it he's done 300 miles and the service was in early 2011.  Any car sitting around that long doing not very much is going to deteriorate and would not really take well to having to do 12,000 miles a year.

 

Ah well, onto Autotrader again.

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I am utterly ignorant when it comes to cars. I put the key in and expect it to work. If it doesn't, I'm up the creek. So don't shoot me, it's just a thought.

 

Instead of taking the risk of buying second-hand, have you considered buying new? Or, if that's too expensive, leasing? I don't know the pros and cons, but either way should give you some trouble-free motoring.

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I am utterly ignorant when it comes to cars. I put the key in and expect it to work. If it doesn't, I'm up the creek. So don't shoot me, it's just a thought.

 

Instead of taking the risk of buying second-hand, have you considered buying new? Or, if that's too expensive, leasing? I don't know the pros and cons, but either way should give you some trouble-free motoring.

We leased for years up until a few years ago but it just works out so expensive and the car's not yours.

 

The RAC and AA do quite decent car inspections for you, costs you around £250 or so for their premium checks and you can be sure they'll be thorough as they don't want you coming back to sue them for a rubbish inspection..  If you're buying a specialist car then it's always worth getting in touch with the local main dealer or specialist garage and ask them to do the check for you, it'll usually cost 1-2 hours of labour so doesn't come out as too expensive.

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I remember at article I read years ago where the author took a close look at the company car agreement and realised that, instead of selecting from the limited choice of repmobiles, he could make his own choice, as longas it was within budget. He ended up with an "as new" restoration of a gorgeous Citroen DS convertible.

 

citroen-ds-cabrio-02.jpg

 

It impressed the hell out of clients, but the company car rules were quickly amended!

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I am utterly ignorant when it comes to cars. I put the key in and expect it to work. If it doesn't, I'm up the creek. So don't shoot me, it's just a thought.

 

Instead of taking the risk of buying second-hand, have you considered buying new? Or, if that's too expensive, leasing? I don't know the pros and cons, but either way should give you some trouble-free motoring.

 

I bought a couple of cars from new but wouldn't recommend it. There are obvious perks but you can get so much more for your money buying second hand. I drove a Porsche Boxster for a couple of years (early onset midlife crisis) which I picked up for £6K. I brilliant car to drive and it was in mint condition. Got fed up with it being impractical (the wife also has a two seater) so I swapped it for a 9 year old BMW 5 series touring with all the bells and whistles. I would never be able to afford to buy either of those cars from new.

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We leased for years up until a few years ago but it just works out so expensive and the car's not yours.

 

The RAC and AA do quite decent car inspections for you, costs you around £250 or so for their premium checks and you can be sure they'll be thorough as they don't want you coming back to sue them for a rubbish inspection..  If you're buying a specialist car then it's always worth getting in touch with the local main dealer or specialist garage and ask them to do the check for you, it'll usually cost 1-2 hours of labour so doesn't come out as too expensive.

 

Have you considered buying new from the likes of drivedthdeal.com or carfile.net?

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I remember at article I read years ago where the author took a close look at the company car agreement and realised that, instead of selecting from the limited choice of repmobiles, he could make his own choice, as longas it was within budget. He ended up with an "as new" restoration of a gorgeous Citroen DS convertible.

 

citroen-ds-cabrio-02.jpg

 

It impressed the hell out of clients, but the company car rules were quickly amended!

 

I get a company car or if I take the cash I am supposed to have a car not more than 3 years old according to the car policy. I do take the cash but thankfully nobody has ever checked the age of my car; it's over 4 years old but I work from home and it's only got 21k on the clock. It's been garaged all it's life and there is no way I am ditching a perfectly good car because HR tell me to. I understand that they want us to look respectable when we meet clients, but the client I am working for is in California so I will not be driving to their site.

 

I got my car on a 3 year 0% finance deal and have been really pleased with it. The badge snobs may laugh at Skodas but I really live my Octavia vRS, cheap, cheerful, lots of toys and goes a bit when driven properly.

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I get a company car or if I take the cash I am supposed to have a car not more than 3 years old according to the car policy. I do take the cash but thankfully nobody has ever checked the age of my car; it's over 4 years old but I work from home and it's only got 21k on the clock. It's been garaged all it's life and there is no way I am ditching a perfectly good car because HR tell me to. I understand that they want us to look respectable when we meet clients, but the client I am working for is in California so I will not be driving to their site.

 

I got my car on a 3 year 0% finance deal and have been really pleased with it. The badge snobs may laugh at Skodas but I really live my Octavia vRS, cheap, cheerful, lots of toys and goes a bit when driven properly.

Skodas are just rebadged Volkswagen cores with lower prices due to the reverse snob factor with Skodas.  Really, if you're laughing at Skodas these days you're laughing at Volkswagens and Audis.

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Have you considered buying new from the likes of drivedthdeal.com or carfile.net?

We've definitely written off getting a new car as it would mean finance and I refuse to get any credit at all these days.  I'm down to my mortgage as credit and the rest is either paid cash or I can't afford it.

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We leased for years up until a few years ago but it just works out so expensive and the car's not yours.

If you are leasing you really need to shop around, the variations in price can be unbelievable. I use http://www.contracthireandleasing.com Also if you aren't too fussy about which make and model you are after there are some really cheap deals to be had. I've leased several times and it's worked out well for us.

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I bought a Landrover Defender 110 just over 12 months ago, always wanted one, thought I'd have it 12 months and be craving to go back to some creature comforts after "getting it out of my system".  But 20,000 miles later and I think we'll be keeping hold for a good few years, not let me down yet, although I've not been shy in staying on top of maintenance but its the first and only car I've smiled every time driven it and due to the limitations on speed its slowed my pace of life down to one I'm really quite enjoying.  Not sure I'd get away with meeting clients working for corporate sorts, but working for myself I call the shots and any client/customer I meet wants a chat about it.

 

Back on the subject of bills, I seem to have an annual conversation with my energy suppliers, they don't seem to get that I use less in Summer and more in Winter an seem insistent on adjusting my direct debits, down in summer, up in winter, I thought the whole point was to keep bills consistent over the year, they seem to disagree!

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The Defender is a great bit of kit. It just feels like it can go anywhere and survive a nuclear blast. Also, good design means that maintenance is far less of a drag than on similar wagons.

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One thing I have learnt in 50 years of car ownership.

Motor vehicle = money pit.

Just bite the bullet and accept that whatever the make, whatever the model, whatever the fuel, whatever the age, in the long run it'll cost you. Just accept that there is a price to pay for personal mobility...treat it as a utility, just like gas, elec, phone, etc.

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The Defender is a great bit of kit. It just feels like it can go anywhere and survive a nuclear blast. Also, good design means that maintenance is far less of a drag than on similar wagons.

Soon to be replaced. It's expensive to make, expensive to run, extremely environmentally unfriendly, has trouble meeting safety regs( no more sideways seats in back) , noisy, quite unreliable but that has improved. In recent years.

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.but I still want one!!!!

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Soon to be replaced. It's expensive to make, expensive to run, extremely environmentally unfriendly, has trouble meeting safety regs( no more sideways seats in back) , noisy, quite unreliable but that has improved. In recent years.

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.but I still want one!!!!

Car design and safety regulations are a bit of a one-size-fits-all thing that tend not to recognise a vehicle's role in life.  I've become a bit too soft in the last few years to actively want a Defender but I still recognise how fun they were to drive.

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One thing I have learnt in 50 years of car ownership.

Motor vehicle = money pit.

Just bite the bullet and accept that whatever the make, whatever the model, whatever the fuel, whatever the age, in the long run it'll cost you. Just accept that there is a price to pay for personal mobility...treat it as a utility, just like gas, elec, phone, etc.

You're right on that... the vast majority of cars will never make a penny for their owners.  The mileage rate I'm on now for work is good enough that I'd not be losing any though on any car except truly inefficient beasts of cars.  58.3ppm is very nice.

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I bought a Landrover Defender 110 just over 12 months ago, always wanted one, thought I'd have it 12 months and be craving to go back to some creature comforts after "getting it out of my system".  But 20,000 miles later and I think we'll be keeping hold for a good few years, not let me down yet, although I've not been shy in staying on top of maintenance but its the first and only car I've smiled every time driven it and due to the limitations on speed its slowed my pace of life down to one I'm really quite enjoying.

 

My mate has just taken delivery of one of these, its an amazing vehicle.....

 

http://www.urban-truck.com/90-ultimate-edition.html

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My mate has just taken delivery of one of these, its an amazing vehicle.....

 

http://www.urban-truck.com/90-ultimate-edition.html

Nice!  Saw one of these on the M62 the other week, nice looking machine, but I bet with the extras they soon add up cost wise, seen some going north of 50k 2nd hand, crazy money!

 

Mine certainly falls in the, erm, well, "basic" category! 

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Soon to be replaced. It's expensive to make, expensive to run, extremely environmentally unfriendly, has trouble meeting safety regs( no more sideways seats in back) , noisy, quite unreliable but that has improved. In recent years.

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.but I still want one!!!!

 

So do I! Glad it's not just me then.

 

Though I'm part way there; the car I currently drive does at least say Land Rover across the front of the bonnet, but it is a Freelander 2. 

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Nice!  Saw one of these on the M62 the other week, nice looking machine, but I bet with the extras they soon add up cost wise, seen some going north of 50k 2nd hand, crazy money!

 

Mine certainly falls in the, erm, well, "basic" category! 

 

Yes, not cheap at all, cost him about £70k with a few upgrades added to it.

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Car design and safety regulations are a bit of a one-size-fits-all thing that tend not to recognise a vehicle's role in life.  I've become a bit too soft in the last few years to actively want a Defender but I still recognise how fun they were to drive.

 

Not much fun as a passenger in the back of one though. After many trips up a long farm track in the back of them I realise that the designer were evil sadists. The exposed metal ridges are exactly at head height so you smash your head on them as the car hits every pothole. 

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Not much fun as a passenger in the back of one though. After many trips up a long farm track in the back of them I realise that the designer were evil sadists. The exposed metal ridges are exactly at head height so you smash your head on them as the car hits every pothole. 

Ha, never had the pleasure but can Imagine! 

 

The designers had a sense of humour mind, can be the only reason they thought it a good idea to fit the same windscreen wipers to a Defender as they did the original Mini! 

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Ah well, that's another one down.  Merc E320, about half the miles expected for its age, advertised as "immaculate" and "flawless" with "one careful owner", the first thing I see when I get there is that the number plate is fractured and someone has used a black marker pen to complete the letters that were damaged, the bumper's lacquer is shattered in more than a few places with a few bits down to the primer, the bonnet has more than a few stone chips, and so on.  I decided to have a look anyway as if it were mechanically sound then I'd use the paintwork to reduce the price and get it redone myself.  The engine sounded just as smooth as expected on start but some of the electrical items were strangely flickering so I did a bit of a detailed inspection, the external lights were doing the same random flickering and it got red flags waving for me with one of the indicators going at twice the speed of the other three.  A cursory internal inspection found many of the handles on storage units were either broken or bodged back on, leather seats looked picked at, fabric was more worn than the miles suggested, almost as if someone had let an angry toddler loose on the car for an afternoon.  Oh, and the "one careful owner", I had to ask the seller which one of the four owners on the V5 that would have been.  The seller told me that he didn't like my tone and asked me to leave his property when I said I was more than narked at losing a couple of hours of my life on this wreck of a car.

 

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