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Cook out for 95 - a good innings for his confidence.

 

Commonwealth Games taking up most of my TV watching at the moment, while I keep up-to-date with the Test Match on CricInfo.

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It's a bit quiet on this thread today.

A nice day away from the computer maybe!

 

Cook was bloody lucky to get 95, a fairly simple catch dropped that would have had him out in the low teens and he rode his luck throughout his entire score.

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Very few players get to such scores without an element of luck I saw a fair bit of the innings but certainly not all of it. The riding his luck comment is wide of the mark.

Form is temporary , class is permanent.

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Very few players get to such scores without an element of luck I saw a fair bit of the innings but certainly not all of it. The riding his luck comment is wide of the mark.

Form is temporary , class is permanent.

Don't get me wrong, I think Cook is one of the world's best current batsmen but this innings is probably the worst thing that could happen to him.  He needs to lose the captaincy and just be an outstanding batsman again, let someone else take the burden.  If he'd had another shocker of a game then he'd not have survived as captain for another game and could have gone away and sorted himself out, taking a winter off for a change then coming back to be the mainstay of the England opening pair for another 6-7 years that other nations would hate.  Instead, he'll shuffle on as captain for the rest of the summer and into the winter tour before probably doing permanent and irrepairable damage to himself and his game.

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I get the impression now that we have moved on from the point, and that your problem was with Cooky`s selection as opposed to yesterdays innings after all.

Certainly reading the twitter feeds of Flintoff,Vaughan, and even KP they were pretty impressed. As was Warne in commentary to be fair, who as we all probably know

has been outspoken about Cooky recently.

 

FWIW I really dont think it was ever likely that Cooky was going to be dropped as captain at any point in this series unless he resigned the captaincy.

I take your point that it can do players a great deal of good to go away and start building innings again at county level.

That said now that he has achieved this score I would hope his confidence is such to enable him to go on to greater things once again.

I would have to agree and jump on the bandwagon if you like of those who say there just is not a standout candidate to replace Cooky in the role as captain currently.

Perhaps that has saved him because nobody can deny he has struggled with the bat recently. 

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I get the impression now that we have moved on from the point, and that your problem was with Cooky`s selection as opposed to yesterdays innings after all.

Certainly reading the twitter feeds of Flintoff,Vaughan, and even KP they were pretty impressed. As was Warne in commentary to be fair, who as we all probably know

has been outspoken about Cooky recently.

 

FWIW I really dont think it was ever likely that Cooky was going to be dropped as captain at any point in this series unless he resigned the captaincy.

I take your point that it can do players a great deal of good to go away and start building innings again at county level.

That said now that he has achieved this score I would hope his confidence is such to enable him to go on to greater things once again.

I would have to agree and jump on the bandwagon if you like of those who say there just is not a standout candidate to replace Cooky in the role as captain currently.

Perhaps that has saved him because nobody can deny he has struggled with the bat recently. 

I remember a few games playing rugby (both codes), albeit far below professional standards, where I was having a shocker mentally and got through by willpower alone hoping I wouldn't do anything too stupid, I knew I was having a shocker but just had to get through it.  That's what I saw in Cook's face yesterday, he knows he should have been back in the pavilion for a low teens score and that 99 days of batting out of 100 he'd never have made 50.  His face tried to hide it but his eyes look exhausted.

 

If there's no-one else to do the job then that's not Cook's fault.  Far better to give it to someone else who shows promise than ruin one of the best batsmen in England for good.  A great captain in good times may show that he's actually got massive flaws as soon as the pressure comes on, that's Cook in my opinion.

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We all know Cook is class, but he's been awful for too long. Anyone other than the skip would've been dropped. Yesterday's innings was what is was, a real tonic to a struggling batsman. But it was not that good to watch at all, and nowhere near the old Cook. He really should've been out for 15 and the pitch is benign to say the least. Putting his batting back together will take a few innings. What solution his captaincy has, I do not know.

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I remember a few games playing rugby (both codes), albeit far below professional standards, where I was having a shocker mentally and got through by willpower alone hoping I wouldn't do anything too stupid, I knew I was having a shocker but just had to get through it.  That's what I saw in Cook's face yesterday, he knows he should have been back in the pavilion for a low teens score and that 99 days of batting out of 100 he'd never have made 50.  His face tried to hide it but his eyes look exhausted.

 

If there's no-one else to do the job then that's not Cook's fault.  Far better to give it to someone else who shows promise than ruin one of the best batsmen in England for good.  A great captain in good times may show that he's actually got massive flaws as soon as the pressure comes on, that's Cook in my opinion.

 

I cant really comment on your first paragraph as I have never played at a decent level at an older age,only playing for my London Borough as a youngster. And that was football.

I can see what your saying re its not Cooky`s fault re there being no obvious replacement but,throwing someone in to get on with it,hoping it pay`s off is a big risk.

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We all know Cook is class, but he's been awful for too long. Anyone other than the skip would've been dropped. Yesterday's innings was what is was, a real tonic to a struggling batsman. But it was not that good to watch at all, and nowhere near the old Cook. He really should've been out for 15 and the pitch is benign to say the least. Putting his batting back together will take a few innings. What solution his captaincy has, I do not know.

I agree in the current circumstances anybody other than Cooky as captain would have been dropped.

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Bell's ton is welcome. As per all his career, his ton comes on the back of big earlier scores from team-mates.

 

Another quickish 100 runs or so, and get them in tonight??

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I suspect this game will end up as a high-scoring draw.

 

Don't write off England for a second innings collapse.

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This game seems to be lacking in atmosphere. We've had runs and wickets, but I'm finding it fairly boring so far.

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I'm a big fan of test match cricket and often find myself engrossed in England games either on TV or via TMS, but having never played and never watched much in the flesh, one thing I've always wondered is.............

 

Do batsmen go out to bat "cold", having sat on the balcony in the dressing room padded up for potentially hours, or are they warming up on and off all day in preparation of going into bat?

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I'm a big fan of test match cricket and often find myself engrossed in England games either on TV or via TMS, but having never played and never watched much in the flesh, one thing I've always wondered is.............

 

Do batsmen go out to bat "cold", having sat on the balcony in the dressing room padded up for potentially hours, or are they warming up on and off all day in preparation of going into bat?

AFAIK you can be "timed out" if you don't come to the crease within 5 minutes of the previous batsman getting out. Hence the next batsman in must wait, padded up, ready to bat at the drop of a hat. That would make it rather tricky to do a bit of batting practice on the side.

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Yes, as NS says, you just sit there for hours waiting. Impossible to warm up, apart from walking to the middle. In an extraordinarily long stand, the next man in might get switched just to give him a break. But there has to be someone padded up watching and waiting.

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AFAIK you can be "timed out" if you don't come to the crease within 5 minutes of the previous batsman getting out. Hence the next batsman in must wait, padded up, ready to bat at the drop of a hat. That would make it rather tricky to do a bit of batting practice on the side.

Cheers, didn't realise you got as much as 5 minutes to be honest as there always out there fairly sharpish.  But did wonder, if in longer partnerships if you'd not get some nets in or perhaps not take the field from the dressing room, but from the nets or something, obviously not.

 

Having never played, I find it incredible guys can go from sitting on there behind for hours to heading straight out to face deliveries of 85-90mph.

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I think it's three minutes actually. (90 seconds in 20/20). But I'm not sure if it's ever happened. Very very rarely if ever.

 

Plenty of players have scampered on late, not fully attired though, especially when there's a clatter of quick wickets.

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Back to this game,

 

What the flying f is Cook doing pootling about? Get some quick runs slogged and get them back in asap. Should've opened with Buttler.

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Some players sit and wait, some pace about and maybe play a few air shots... and Phil Tufnell would be probably asleep somewhere.

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Tad late that declaration. I'd've followed on, but that's academic now.

 

10 wickets to go........

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Did well last night and a good start this morning.

 

4 wickets to go.........

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Did well last night and a good start this morning.

 

4 wickets to go.........

 

Game over, England win.

 

Now 1 win each in the series. Hopefully we will push on from here and see more of the same in the final couple of matches.

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