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Will the Broncos be swallowed up by the Championship?

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The Broncos announce they are going to Full Time next year. I personally don't think this is a wise move with the structure and foundations they have at the moment. A year or two pushing their youngsters through rather than chasing the so-called holy grail of gold is a better move. I thought they were at the Hive long term. Is this incorrect?

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. I thought they were at the Hive long term. Is this incorrect?

The club seems to think that they have a deal to use the Hive for the next two years. In Broncos' terms, this is long term. Some Broncos fans seem to think that Barnet want Broncos out. No way of knowing what the truth is.

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The club seems to think that they have a deal to use the Hive for the next two years. In Broncos' terms, this is long term.

Not really. 6 years at the stoop. 4 years at Griffin Park?

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I think Hadfield's wrong. The level of interest from the national press is low already.

 

Who are these journalists who only put RL in the papers because the London Broncos are in SL? Oh yes, take away that SL powerhouse that plays in front of around 1,000 diehard souls and we'll stop writing about rugby league. 

But we don't know whether it will disappear completely once the Broncos have gone from Superleague.  And I'm not just talking about the national press.  In a city the size of London, the local press can be of significant influence.  The Broncos and rugby league have featured in the Standard and in the free paper on a regular basis.  Will that continue when there is no top flight representation?  Only time will tell.  Will Radio London continue to cover rugby league without top flight representation?  Again, only time will tell. 

 

Here in the north west of England we have a slew of top flight clubs.  They are the ones that get radio coverage and local press coverage.  They don't often get a mention on BBC Look North West mind, but the Championship clubs get no coverage at all, except perhaps a passing mention on Wish FM (Leigh do anyway).  If we didn't have so many SL clubs in the north west, we'd lose what little coverage we get as a sport in the region.  How much harder is it to imagine a sport which is very much in the minority in a city like London still getting any reference at all once there is no top flight representation there?  Not really very hard at all IMO.  Personally I think all reference to the game will disappear from the London scene once the Broncos have gone.  If that reference goes from the local press there is no hope of any reference to it in the national press unless they all move their HQ to Media City.

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The Evening Standards coverage of the Broncos was largely driven by a marketing agenda . The Broad sheets in the south generaly give a good coverage of League here in the Capital. The Broncos failure has largely gone unnoticed in the Capital. There doesn't seem to be an appetite for a London team in the ESL here.

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I don't know whether anyone has listened to it this week, but Ian Ramsdale's latest Rugby League Down South podcast discusses the Broncos, including any impact of their relegation on the media (with the rugby league man from BBC Radio London), with the General Manager at Broncos, Andrew Henderson (incoming assistant coach) and the kitman whose input actually brings home just what an impact the Broncos have actually had.  (There is also an interview with the coach of South Wales Scorpions, as they come under the umbrella of 'down south' in a podcast context)

 

It's well worth a listen for anyone really interested in the perspective from the south:

 

http://www.spreaker.com/user/ianramsdale/rlds-relegated?autoplay=1 

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My source has not fed me bad information about the club and I see no reason why they would start now. Kleanthouse has made it clear that the arrangement for 2014 is not acceptable in 2015 and fundamental changes need to be made. If you doubt this, then fine, but I have been pretty much spot on in regards to most of the activity (sic) surrounding the club for the last 4 years+. If you'd care to go back and examine my posts from when the "2 year" deal was announced, I think you'll find I said then that it was 1 year with an "option".....but the sad state of the club made too many of the fans too uber-grateful to notice or care at the time.

 

The RFL bunged the Hive a "marketing budget" as an incentive to take us in......they have no need to sweeten the pot this time around, so it's cash up front from either Hughes or the central funding parachute payment that AK wants....not 500 or so fans paying 15 quid to watch 2nd rate RL.

 

Brave new dawn? No wonder the useless ##### MacKay sloped off with his tail between his legs once it became obvious the fans weren't buying his particular brand of male genitals.

 

Just because you don't want it to be true and because you can't "see proof" doesn't make it any less true......or have you not noticed the stone cold silence from the club on the matter?

I asked you to evidence the specific statement that you made that Kleanthus "isn't interested in any deals".

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I don't see what the attendances have to do with it. Success on the field is what we are discussing and, going from recent seasons as well as this one, those teams are capable of causing upsets and beating the top clubs or even capable of upsetting the apple cart and forcing their way into the 3 x 8 league.

 

Your list of clubs is the most likely scenario but the clubs I mentioned are indicative of the parity existing in the Championships and the top four might not be as locked in as you think. That's all I am saying. 

Attendances matter because of the extra revenue they'l bring in.

The odd result that donny,worky or rochdale have had this season has been great to see but unless one of the top 5 clubs makes some terrible decisions then i'm struggling to see any other club challenging for proper money or honours

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The club seems to think that they have a deal to use the Hive for the next two years. In Broncos' terms, this is long term.

Not really. 6 years at the stoop. 4 years at Griffin Park?

It was just a joke.

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Attendances matter because of the extra revenue they'l bring in.

The odd result that donny,worky or rochdale have had this season has been great to see but unless one of the top 5 clubs makes some terrible decisions then i'm struggling to see any other club challenging for proper money or honours

 

You are entitled to your opinion. These clubs have proven their worth. We shall see how it all pans out.

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Well, unfortunately, that's how the cookie has crumbled and there is no one to blame but the Broncos themselves for their predicament.

Spot on......and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wanted the club to succeed more than me, but Jesus H Christ on a bike....have ever a club been managed worse in the history of ANY sport?

Dead by 2016.......thanks Hughes you stupid cu.....

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Half-back Oscar Thomas has rejoined the Broncos from 'London' Irish.

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You are entitled to your opinion. These clubs have proven their worth. We shall see how it all pans out.

You either must be joking or you are ignorant of the history of these clubs

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Spot on......and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wanted the club to succeed more than me, but Jesus H Christ on a bike....have ever a club been managed worse in the history of ANY sport?

Dead by 2016.......thanks Hughes you stupid cu.....

Crusaders were much worse.

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Crusaders were much worse.

And PSG.

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And PSG.

Neither PNG nor the welsh had 19 years in which to get it right........£30,000,000 is what I reckon London have spent in 7 years.....half Hughes cash, the other half sky and RFL money as well as income........god only knows what the 19 year figure is, but you wouldn't get any change out of £60,000,000 I reckon.......all totally wasted!

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Neither PNG nor the welsh had 19 years in which to get it right........£30,000,000 is what I reckon London have spent in 7 years.....half Hughes cash, the other half sky and RFL money as well as income........god only knows what the 19 year figure is, but you wouldn't get any change out of £60,000,000 I reckon.......all totally wasted!

I don't totally blame Hughes because the club were already on a downward spiral when he took full control of the club. The rot started by becoming Quins and moving to RU HQ - a blindingly stupid move which the club has made 3 times and always ended up with crowds falling (the people behind these choices are the real culprits).

You also have to blame the licensing criteria of needing a 10k stadium which kept the Broncos locked into the Stoop. If they had moved to the Hive with McDermott still in charge, I think it would have seem crowds increase because it was passionless as Quins RL.

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The biggest problem for London will be to build a squad in such a short space of time. In previous years clubs have complained about the unfairness for promoted clubs, next year London will face the same problem of assembling a squad.

 

News today George Griffin joins his brothers at Salford next year.

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Crusaders were much worse.

Interesting how you immediately reached for the 'expansion' teams.

How about Broughton Rangers or Swinton?

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I don't totally blame Hughes because the club were already on a downward spiral when he took full control of the club. The rot started by becoming Quins and moving to RU HQ - a blindingly stupid move which the club has made 3 times and always ended up with crowds falling (the people behind these choices are the real culprits).

You also have to blame the licensing criteria of needing a 10k stadium which kept the Broncos locked into the Stoop. If they had moved to the Hive with McDermott still in charge, I think it would have seem crowds increase because it was passionless as Quins RL.

I actually agree about the licensing criteria. It just reflects this attitude of trying to treat M62 and 'expansion' teams as the same and they are obviously not.

I still think you overestimating the name change and the move to the stoop though. The fact was that the team during this period was very unsuccessful on the pitch.

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Interesting how you immediately reached for the 'expansion' teams.

How about Broughton Rangers or Swinton?

Well Crusader's demise was just a few years ago, Broughton Rangers was a long, long time ago and I don't know the details. Even with Swinton, their decline happened long before I was watching RL. It seems that it's not just northern fans who can be "chippy".

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You either must be joking or you are ignorant of the history of these clubs

 

Ignorance is bliss so you must be extremely happy.

 

Doncaster won CC1 two seasons ago, their first ever trophy. they won a playoff place in their first season in the Championship and this year are comfortably in 4th place.

 

Batley won the Northern Rail Cup, they have been in the top 6 of the Championship table for the last several years with a few play off wins. They have frightened a couple of SL clubs in the Challenge Cup at Mount Pleasant.

 

Sheffield have won a couple of grand finals in the last several seasons and are still a threat in this years playoffs even in an off year for them. They have won the Challenge Cup and made SL playoffs in the past.

 

Whitehaven have mad two grand finals in the last decade and were one extra time period from promotion to SL. They won promotion from CC1 two years ago and are having a decent season this year. Cumbria is always a difficult ask for visiting teams. Write them off at your peril.

 

Dewsbury have had a couple of solid seasons and are a tough out in this league. Any given Sunday etc etc. I think they won promotion to the Championship following an unbeaten season in CC1. if you want to rubbish their history, well, in my lifetime they have been in Div 1, won the Championship by beating Leeds and been in a couple of Cup semis.

 

To be fair, I think your comment was crass and very wrong. These teams all have a recent pedigree whereby they could pose an outside threat to the supposed hegemony of the top contenders for the 3 x 8.

 

As I said, time will tell. Next season could be very interesting.

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Ignorance is bliss so you must be extremely happy.

 

Doncaster won CC1 two seasons ago, their first ever trophy. they won a playoff place in their first season in the Championship and this year are comfortably in 4th place.

 

Batley won the Northern Rail Cup, they have been in the top 6 of the Championship table for the last several years with a few play off wins. They have frightened a couple of SL clubs in the Challenge Cup at Mount Pleasant.

 

Sheffield have won a couple of grand finals in the last several seasons and are still a threat in this years playoffs even in an off year for them. They have won the Challenge Cup and made SL playoffs in the past.

 

Whitehaven have mad two grand finals in the last decade and were one extra time period from promotion to SL. They won promotion from CC1 two years ago and are having a decent season this year. Cumbria is always a difficult ask for visiting teams. Write them off at your peril.

 

Dewsbury have had a couple of solid seasons and are a tough out in this league. Any given Sunday etc etc. I think they won promotion to the Championship following an unbeaten season in CC1. if you want to rubbish their history, well, in my lifetime they have been in Div 1, won the Championship by beating Leeds and been in a couple of Cup semis.

 

To be fair, I think your comment was crass and very wrong. These teams all have a recent pedigree whereby they could pose an outside threat to the supposed hegemony of the top contenders for the 3 x 8.

 

As I said, time will tell. Next season could be very interesting.

and that is your summation of the history of these clubs. 

 

surely next season will definitely interesting what with proper jeopardy kicking in.

A lot of questions have to be asked and answered about the Broncos recent history. But their absence from SL and their possible replacement other than the Bulls ail set top level rugby league back decades in all sorts of ways.

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Surely next season will definitely interesting what with proper jeopardy kicking in.

A lot of questions have to be asked and answered about the Broncos recent history. But their absence from SL and their possible replacement other than the Bulls ail set top level rugby league back decades in all sorts of ways.

 

I'm all for Nahaboo leaving the game if it means your comfortable coming back and posting more sense again on here!!

 

Broncos demise will hit the one place the player pool was being expanded and whether they can keep junior development going down there, those in the know say not. Championship clubs produce very very few pro players. It will be fascinating to see how London go.

 

It will also be fascinating to see how Featherstone now go. Hit by the Campbell/Nahaboo row/walkout more than even the loss of the talisman coach, how would they cope with the 8 club play off? your thoughts?

 

If London decline further and don't make the sixteen then the championship clubs have three footholds available into the new second tier, assuming Bulls get their place back (how will eight second tier clubs cope being made third tier?)

 

And how will  Halifax and Leigh go if they have to enter the fray on the back of crowds of 2,000 and sides made up of SL rejects. How far will the prize money go in a market where there's not many players to buy. If history is anything to go by (and history is always discounted when it suits, but also laughingly embraced when it suits as your reply reveals above) then 2003 and 2005 may just repeat themselves.

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