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Will the Broncos be swallowed up by the Championship?

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Just noticed this pop up on your post.

 

It's phrased as though SL rejection caused the clubs downfall when in fact their own massive over spending caused it.

 

Something you highlighted by noting Widnes.

 

There was also an idea that anonymous backers were waiting in the wings to bankroll Keighley for Superleague. They never stepped forward to fund any court case nor to reduce the deficit. They didn't exist.

 

Post the initial 1996 selection upset the game retained P & R allowing any aggrieved club to show that the RFL were wrong. That didn't end until 2009. Widnes worked towards that goal and achieved it in 2002, but suffered financial difficulty in the end as the step up was too much, as it would have been for Keighley

 

In the licensing process the RFL's worries over Widnes's financial failures were allayed when Steve O'Connor stepped forward with a £500,000 guarantee of the clubs financial stability. Although it wasn't taken it was there. This didn't happen at Keighley.

 

But the bottom line for any avid fan of a small championship club once able to rise and fall on the back of a few quid from a wealthy director in the old semi pro days is that arguments have to be found re the viability of their clubs for Superleague, otherwise it's the scrap heap of dual reg. I don't blame 'em....

 

Widnes are a small town club, Castleford are a very small town club. Bradford are a big city club as are London. What you are saying doesn't correlate. The first two are successful SL teams and the latter two SL disasters. Each club needs to be considered on it's merits and we will see who make it and who doesn't. Contrary to popular belief it seems that size doesn't matter.

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It depends which relegation you are talking about. The removal of Featherstone from Div 1, which became SL, was entirely due to the movers and shakers who orchestrated the makeup of the original SL. that was due to SL.

 

Fev's relegation to CC1 was due to their own ineptitude in the Championship. However, there is a serious case to be made that if they had not been removed from Div one and had access to Sky funding that they would never have been in the position to be relegated to CC1. Maybe they would have been relegated from SL to the Championship but we will never know that as the dirty deed to give them, Widnes, Keighley and Batley the shaft was perpetrated and history was changed.

no it depends which relegation YOU are talking about since you brought the matter up. YOU  wrote about their relegation to CC1, which happened almost a decade after SL was instituted and which I can assure you from the point of view of someone employed by the club, and covered all their home games and some of their way games for LPL had nothing whatever to do with SKY.

all the non SL clubs received SKY funding, for several years.

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Widnes are a small town club, Castleford are a very small town club. Bradford are a big city club as are London. What you are saying doesn't correlate. The first two are successful SL teams and the latter two SL disasters. Each club needs to be considered on it's merits and we will see who make it and who doesn't. Contrary to popular belief it seems that size doesn't matter.

Or, to put it another way, if a club's got a good owner who employs people who know what they're doing it'll be a success wherever they are. Seems odd that the point has to be made, really.

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Or, to put it another way, if a club's got a good owner who employs people who know what they're doing it'll be a success wherever they are. Seems odd that the point has to be made, really.

Totally right.  And whether a club has a good owner who knows what they're doing largely looks to be a matter of luck. 

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no it depends which relegation YOU are talking about since you brought the matter up. YOU  wrote about their relegation to CC1, which happened almost a decade after SL was instituted and which I can assure you from the point of view of someone employed by the club, and covered all their home games and some of their way games for LPL had nothing whatever to do with SKY.

all the non SL clubs received SKY funding, for several years.

 

I was talking about Fev's removal from Div1/SL to facilitate London and Paris. I speculated that their eventual decline into CC1 might have been influenced by the fact that they were removed from the top tier and so lost the big Sky money. No doubt their own ineptitude was also a factor in their eventual CC1 status and I said so but the removal of what would have been a SL place cannot but have had an adverse effect on the club uo to and including their eventual fall to the league of death.

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I was talking about Fev's removal from Div1/SL to facilitate London and Paris. I speculated that their eventual decline into CC1 might have been influenced by the fact that they were removed from the top tier and so lost the big Sky money. No doubt their own ineptitude was also a factor in their eventual CC1 status and I said so but the removal of what would have been a SL place cannot but have had an adverse effect on the club uo to and including their eventual fall to the league of death.

their own ineptitude was the only factor

all of the clubs in the championship were in the same boat

to cite something that happened to over half the clubs in professional uk rugby league a decade previously is just silly. They were promoted the next year. Was the introduction of SL the cause of that?

 

League of death? Who died?

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Yes, we were - see the interview with Sky's Vic Wakleing (sp?) in the history of SL published a while back (sorry, can't remember the title - perhaps someone out there can help, my copy's still buried in the rubble of my house move). In fact, we were the only definite condition, as Sky couldn't sell in France and they weren't that fussed about summer rugby, although we'd have had to have taken less cash for winter.

 

The book is Super League the First 10 years by Phil Caplan and Jonathan R Doidge (interview is on pages 122 - 123).

 

SL didn't even ask for summer rugby as some seem to think.   That was a proposal in the document "Framing the Future" and the RFL asked Sky if they would still support the game if they switched to summer.  Sky agreed and the rest is history.

 

Wakeling states that Paris wasn't on Sky/BSB radar and again that was Lindsey and the RFL wanting a European element for Super League.

 

As a supporter of the longest and most successful expansion club from outside the Lancashire/ Yorkshire heartlands I refer some of you to my signature at the end of my post for an independent view of how our club was treated at the time.    Sorry for the fans of any team getting relegated but life goes on.

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