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Ken 'pandered' to inner London, Boris to zones 4-6 (and a sprinkling of west London). Both managed to be elected on pitiful turnouts.

That's the danger of giving so much power to one person - the election comes down to personality, most of the population switch off long before polling day, and only a narrow range of interests get represented.

But Johnson doesn't seem have done a great deal with that power to benefit Londoners. So far we've got re phasing of some traffic lights, which is kind of the point

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In terms of impact on day-to-day life in London, I'd say the following policies have had the biggest impact: 

 

Livingstone

Introducing the Oyster Card

Introducing the Congestion Charge

The Overground orbital railway

Scrapping the Routemaster / introducing the Bendy Bus

 

Both

Hire bikes - Livingstone initiated, Johnson got the credit

 

Johnson

Scrapping the western extension of the congestion charge

Scrapping the Bendy Bus / reintroducing the Routemaster

Painting some bike lanes blue

Building the cable car from nowhere to nowhere

 

 

Livingstone's impact on Londoners' life was considerable.  But Johnson's cable car trumps everything.

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The Mayor of Bradford Council is decided by  buggins turn. If you stay a councillor for long enough, eventually it will be your turn.

 

 

Except when Eric Pickles decides to renege on the deal to get control of the council

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In terms of impact on day-to-day life in London, I'd say the following policies have had the biggest impact: 

 

Livingstone

Introducing the Oyster Card

Introducing the Congestion Charge

The Overground orbital railway

Scrapping the Routemaster / introducing the Bendy Bus

 

Both

Hire bikes - Livingstone initiated, Johnson got the credit

 

Johnson

Scrapping the western extension of the congestion charge

Scrapping the Bendy Bus / reintroducing the Routemaster

Painting some bike lanes blue

Building the cable car from nowhere to nowhere

 

 

Livingstone's impact on Londoners' life was considerable.  But Johnson's cable car trumps everything.

Introduction of the OysterCard would have taken place with or without Livingstone. The extensions of the Oystercard network would have taken place with or without Johnson. Same remarks can be be made of the Overground Orbital Network. Livingstone introduced the congestion charge, Johnson introduced a ban on alcohol on public transport. In truth both of those ideas were probably driven by TFL internally .Both did stuff related to cycling neither did anywhere near enough that was required.

 

Both Livingstone and Johnson have done very little directly to impact the lives of people living in London. Rather they are personalities taking credit for something driven by others. Neither has had much impact on general London Life for it's residents.

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I haven't been to central London since before the congestion charge.  In 2002 we got a taxi from central London to Kings Cross and the roads were gridlocked.  Has it made a difference, and if it wasn't Livingstone's idea who's was it?  If an idea is a success it's easy to say it wasn't Livingstone (or Boris or whoever) but if it's a failure there's no doubt who'll carry the can with the electors.

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the bus system in London is pretty good and..is free...free I tell you...FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

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Introduction of the OysterCard would have taken place with or without Livingstone. The extensions of the Oystercard network would have taken place with or without Johnson. Same remarks can be be made of the Overground Orbital Network. Livingstone introduced the congestion charge, Johnson introduced a ban on alcohol on public transport. In truth both of those ideas were probably driven by TFL internally .Both did stuff related to cycling neither did anywhere near enough that was required.

 

Both Livingstone and Johnson have done very little directly to impact the lives of people living in London. Rather they are personalities taking credit for something driven by others. Neither has had much impact on general London Life for it's residents.

The huge difference Livingston made was that as project sponsor he was nearly perfect.  Most politicians and senior civil servants can't stop meddling, this is why most government projects fail in one way or another.  They tinker, make small changes, make huge changes, want new functionality, change project staff, change budgets almost every week, get bored and refuse to make decisions, and so on.  Livingston was not shy to use the big stick to keep the project scope identical, refusing to allow anyone to make changes to the scope unless there was a clear and substantial fault in the scope.  For a politician to keep his hands off his new toy that long and allow it to deploy properly makes Livingston a very, very rare individual who deserves praise.

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the bus system in London is pretty good and..is free...free I tell you...FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

 

You've obviously not had the "pleasure" of riding the new Routemaster AKA The Boris Bus. Heard lots of stories of people collapsing from heat exhaustion due to the wonderful combination of useless air con, no opening windows and poor design that makes the inside like a greenhouse even in midwinter. :dry:

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You've obviously not had the "pleasure" of riding the new Routemaster AKA The Boris Bus. Heard lots of stories of people collapsing from heat exhaustion due to the wonderful combination of useless air con, no opening windows and poor design that makes the inside like a greenhouse even in midwinter. :dry:

Johnson bemoaned the demise of the original route master despite its emissions and fuel inefficiency, it's hostility to people with disabilities and its maintenance costs

So this is what he wanted instead

I suppose you could call it the Boris bud

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Ken's main 'win', from memory, was bus fares and improved routes.  He might have made a lot of noise about other things but what he can actually 'do' is limited.

 

Ken's greatest achievement as far as I'm concerned is the Oyster card setup.  A fairly flawless project done on time and budget at a time when it seemed that no big public sector project could be done without doubling cost for half quality.

 

He doubled our bus fares in the suburbs so he could subsidised those in the centre of London.  He wasn't robbing the rich to fund the poor either, it was robbing those who didn't vote for him to give to those who did.

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Osborne can start pooing his pants.

 

If he can get anywhere near some "real" power, I think we can all start pooing our pants. :dry:

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I swear I saw him wink when he announced that he's gonna stand for parliment but "doesn't expect to win". Yeah right there gona find him one of the safest Tory seats within commute distance of London so he can continue being Mayor till 2016.

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Boris does whats best for Boris. He did say a couple of days ago that the UK should withdraw from the EU if it wasn't happy with the terms of the agreement, or words to that affect.

He's saying the anti EU rhetoric that the grass roots Tories like to here

All Boris is doing is putting himself in position to lead the Tory party if Dave gets elbowed by the electorate at next years GE. Even if Dave stays in power Boris might still try and mount a leadership challege

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I'd say Boris reckons Dave can't win. If he thought Dave was going to win he'd have bided his time and waited until his term as mayor was up before standing at a convenient bye-election.  He wants to be in parliament, where he can mount a challenge for the leadership as soon as the election is lost.  He can't stand for the leadership unless he's an MP.

Boris does whats best for Boris. He did say a couple of days ago that the UK should withdraw from the EU if it wasn't happy with the terms of the agreement, or words to that affect.

He's saying the anti EU rhetoric that the grass roots Tories like to here

All Boris is doing is putting himself in position to lead the Tory party if Dave gets elbowed by the electorate at next years GE. Even if Dave stays in power Boris might still try and mount a leadership challege

 

 

I reckon Boris thinks Dave can't win next year otherwise he'd have waited until his mayoral term was up.  He wants to be in parliament when the new leadership election kicks off, he can't stand for the leadership if he's not an MP.

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I reckon Boris thinks Dave can't win next year otherwise he'd have waited until his mayoral term was up.  He wants to be in parliament when the new leadership election kicks off, he can't stand for the leadership if he's not an MP.

 

Yes, and he also knows that Cameron has backed himself into a real corner in the EU debate. Dave has no chance of renegotiating anything but he doesn't want to be the one responsible for the high risk strategy of leaving the EU.

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the tories now have their own Farage factor...

 

bit of a lad, very quotable, good fun in the media, anti europe, robustly right wing.

 

it's all falling into place, with the exception of Baroness Warsi bless her

 

we've got a sudden injection of women into the cabinet: the fact that they won't do anything is irrelevant.

 

They need to start hunting round for some black people to give jobs to, on the other hand maybe not.

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I got 6 out of 10. Not bad for a non resident of London I suppose.

 

Has he ever kept to even one election promise?

nine out of ten

 

That's what reading Private Eye from cover to cover does to you

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what has he done for London and its people?

 

Perhaps he'll do more when he becomes an MP for an area of North London.  Know anyone that lives there Frank?

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Perhaps he'll do more when he becomes an MP for an area of North London.  Know anyone that lives there Frank?

North London?

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