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Malaysian airliner crashes in Ukraine

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isn't there some sort of chemical signature in the explosion residue that allows identification of the warhead source?

Would that help though as both Russian and Ukrainian weapons are in the hands of the rebels.

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Would that help though as both Russian and Ukrainian weapons are in the hands of the rebels.

 

And the Ukrainian weapons are Russian too.

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We are clearly speculating but it would depend on the type of missile; I am in no way an expert but I am sure the RN and RM have the capability to utilise shoulder fired missiles like the Javelin at sea. I have no doubt there are cheap Chinese versions but imagine something has been lost in translation when the matter was discussed.

we are, and we are getting off topic as well

javelin is a land based weapon…obviously.

 

a small, highly manoeuverable  boat with outboard motors on the continuously changing topography of anything like a seaway  will have a small heat signature and would be constantly disappearing behind troughs in the sea and representing itself, is a lot different to an armoured vehicle or a truck.

A high calibre scoped rifle, and small or medium calibre automatic weapons would IMHO be more effective on the steady weapons platform that a large cargo ship is.

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The lack of respect from the Russians and Seperatists is amazing. Not that the Ukraine and the west is much better. It seems the politicians and leaders seem to think its more important to play the blame game instead of doing things properly regarding the crash site. Why the Seperatists feel the need to stop investigators and threatening people trying to do a job  I dont know. For me the scene should be free of soldiers and gunmen and people allowed to get on with the task of DNA and other searches and getting things back to relatives etc. The more the seperatists and Russians disrupt things the more I feel they shot this plane down and are trying to cover it up. Shame that the relatives and close friends of the victims have to suffer even more. 

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The lack of respect from the Russians and Seperatists is amazing. Not that the Ukraine and the west is much better. It seems the politicians and leaders seem to think its more important to play the blame game instead of doing things properly regarding the crash site. Why the Seperatists feel the need to stop investigators and threatening people trying to do a job  I dont know. For me the scene should be free of soldiers and gunmen and people allowed to get on with the task of DNA and other searches and getting things back to relatives etc. The more the seperatists and Russians disrupt things the more I feel they shot this plane down and are trying to cover it up. Shame that the relatives and close friends of the victims have to suffer even more. 

 

Irrespective of whether they actually did blow the plane up, the separatists will fear that the Ukrainian authorities and the (let's face it, wholly western) crash investigation team will plant evidence or wilfully misinterpret the existing evidence to incriminate Russia.

 

The more headline-news that Europe and the USA can focus on Russia, the lower the fraction of contemporary media attention that is focussed on what their Jewish communities are funding in Gaza.

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Irrespective of whether they actually did blow the plane up, the separatists will fear that the Ukrainian authorities and the (let's face it, wholly western) crash investigation team will plant evidence or wilfully misinterpret the existing evidence to incriminate Russia.

 

The more headline-news that Europe and the USA can focus on Russia, the lower the fraction of contemporary media attention that is focussed on what their Jewish communities are funding in Gaza.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/07/17/pro_russia_rebels_deleted_social_media_posts_on_downing_plane.html

 

They hardly need to plant any evidence. The pro-Russian militas were boasting about having shot down the plane on various social media before they realised that the plane was civilian.

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Agreed, but, depending on the political climate, blaming the pro-Russia militia might not be nearly as desirable as blaming Russia itself. There again, next week it will probably be the other way round. Remember that poor bloke who was pinged as the scapegoat for the Lockerbie bombing when we wanted detente with Gaddhafi?

 

Putin has KGB background and his administration is just as clued up as the western ones on political nuances.

 

Yesterday, the UK Government announced a formal enquiry into the poisoning of KGB defector Alexander Litvinenko in the UK in 2006. It's only taken both Labour and Tory governments eight years to get round to investigating this. I wonder why it is being progressed now.

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Plus you have rival separatist factions with all the associated empire building and general lack of any organisation.  The militia's are often bullying meatheads on a power trip, so they don't often understand why they need to do what they are told.

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Agreed, but the pro-Russia militia are not Russia itself.

Well no. I would highly doubt that even Putin wanted the militias to start shooting down civilian planes but he set events in motion by destablising Ukraine and supplying weapons (almost certainly including the anti-plane missile system) to some very dangerous individuals.

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No matter how much the public agonises about these events; to the secret services and the foreign office it's just a stage in the game.

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No matter how much the public agonises about these events; to the secret services and the foreign office it's just a stage in the game.

Clausewitz: "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means"

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Clausewitz: "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means"

 

Uffff.... don't!! I have to deal with that long dead Prussian for months next year... ;)

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