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Greg Johnson for England!

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We all know that Ryan Hall is the best English winger and one of the best in the world, debate in the past couple of years has been centered around whether Josh Charnley or Tom Briscoe should fill the other wing spot. I've not been majorly impressed with either of them this season. Charnley has been in and out of the Wigan team through injury and Briscoe hasn't quite reached his potential yet. Greg Johnson was one of the only players to shine when Salford had a bad run of form in the first part of the season and I was interested to see whether he could pick that form up again upon his return from injury and he has been outstanding, I think he's a must for the other wing spot...get him in!!

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The other wing spot is Tommy Makinson's to lose surely

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The other wing spot is Tommy Makinson's to lose surely

 

He's a good finisher but not international class

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Very open for that wing spot. I am going to be watching Mason Caton-Brown's progress over the next few weeks. Although making his name as a centre, his pace is electric and could be an outside bet for the squad and perhaps a wing spot. I remember players like Phil Ford, Paul Loughlin, Keith Senior etc. breaking through on the wing before moving in field.

 

Briscoe seems to have gone off the boil a little. Charnley had the spot and now needs to fire in the last part of the season. I'm not convinced about Makinson. He is a good finisher but isn't particularly devastating in broken play.

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Good shout on Caton-Brown, he was actually a centre at London for most of this season. He's just a freak of nature and definitely a consideration for the other centre spot. 

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Caton-brown n Johnson have elusive off the mark pace like Keiran Dixon but i dont think they have the full package of defence n taking a high ball n all the other quality you need to be international imo

My backline for the near future would be tomkins charnley shenton watkins hall

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I like Johnson and hope he continues to improve over the next few years, he is one of those players that get fans excited when he has the ball.

But i think England will need bigger outside backs to contain their opposites in the 4 Nations.

Thats why Hall has been successful at International level because he is big and a great finisher.

I would even consider Leroy Cudjoe for the other wing.

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We all know that Ryan Hall is the best English winger and one of the best in the world, debate in the past couple of years has been centered around whether Josh Charnley or Tom Briscoe should fill the other wing spot. I've not been majorly impressed with either of them this season. Charnley has been in and out of the Wigan team through injury and Briscoe hasn't quite reached his potential yet. Greg Johnson was one of the only players to shine when Salford had a bad run of form in the first part of the season and I was interested to see whether he could pick that form up again upon his return from injury and he has been outstanding, I think he's a must for the other wing spot...get him in!!

This is weird as I couldn't agree more with you about Greg Johnson, so much so I was also considering starting a thread myself on Johnson for England. For me he's got fantastic pace and great physical strength and like you say with the likes of briscoe and charnley not pulling up any trees I would throw him in the starting 13, the kiwis don't hold back in throwing their young players into the starting 13 or on the bench like RTS, Inu, hiku, kenny-dowall etc. also I would seriously think about taking caton-brown as a back up player, why persist with experienced players like cudjoe, Atkins, yeaman etc who just don't cut it at international level when you have young exciting players who you know are going to be top class/international players in the near future.

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Harsh reality; he's not big enough. He would be bombed to death, which allied with the six feet plus opposition wingers would make things even more difficult.

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Harsh reality; he's not big enough. He would be bombed to death, which allied with the six feet plus opposition wingers would make things even more difficult.

Absolute rubbish, was Jason Robinson big enough?

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stop with the supermen complex lol

 

theres only manu vatuvei at 6ft 3 thats over (only a inch taller that ryan hall)

 

aside from that our wingers size up really well against the aussies & kiwis

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Absolute rubbish, was Jason Robinson big enough?

 

To be fair, in his last few years in league he was targeted with the kick. Just watch Nick Pinkney's try for Sheffield in the 1998 cup final. Cross kicks are an even bigger part of the game now. Fielding kicks is only a part of the game though and other wingers have handled not being hugely tall as you say.

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Absolute rubbish, was Jason Robinson big enough?

 

Jason Robinson? What about Paul Eastwood or Des Drummond? Care to go any further back in time?

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Hmm, Hall has scored 18 tries from 22 games. Charnley has 14 tries from just 11 games. So just who should we be debating as second choice winger?

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Hmm, Hall has scored 18 tries from 22 games. Charnley has 14 tries from just 11 games. So just who should we be debating as second choice winger?

Oh, and Johnson has scored a paltry 6 tries from 15 games.

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Oh, and Johnson has scored a paltry 6 tries from 15 games.

Playing in a poorer side.

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For me Johnson is faster than charnley and more explosive while I wouldn't pick Tom briscoe as he's been in poor form so far this season.

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If we are ever going to win a tournament we need genuine speed in the 3/4's and speed and creativity in the halves.

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Whilst I think Charnley and Briscoe are top class players, I think if you swapped Johnson with either of them and put him in the Leeds or Wigan team his try scoring return would be higher.

Also thought Charnley got exposed a bit in the World Cup.

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Hmm, Hall has scored 18 tries from 22 games. Charnley has 14 tries from just 11 games. So just who should we be debating as second choice winger?

Wigan's style of attack is made for Charnley, dominate the centre of the field and move the ball out wide using dummy runners and runners at angles. Don't get me wrong he's quality, I just think Johnson can make something out of nothing.

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Hmm, Hall has scored 18 tries from 22 games. Charnley has 14 tries from just 11 games. So just who should we be debating as second choice winger?

Charnleys defence is a real issue!

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Hmm, Hall has scored 18 tries from 22 games. Charnley has 14 tries from just 11 games. So just who should we be debating as second choice winger?

and Makinson has 20 from 22 appearances despite the pretty poor service he's had from Turner most of this season

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