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What time period was Wood talking about? I assume he wasn't lookig at the above period.

 

His statements were vague enough to be true.

 

39m viewers last year could easily be the highest on record, as pointed out, a technicality due to the WC, however if it is higher than previous WC years then that is a positive.

 

He then said participation increased - I suppose we'd need to see 2012 vs 2013 to judge that.

 

 

The "Survey says".................

 

October 2011 - 51,100 Participants

 

April 2012-13 - 48,700 Participants

 

A decrease of almost 5%.......

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The "Survey says".................

 

October 2011 - 51,100 Participants

 

April 2012-13 - 48,700 Participants

 

A decrease of almost 5%.......

 Maybe, just maybe, he was talking about 12/13 to 13/14, y'know -  the latest figures?

 

Just a thought....

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And of course the international game is thriving ; )

Not much to do with the RFL is it?

 

They can try to organise games, but if no one from the southern hemisphere wants to come and play England, and the fans don't want to go watch any match up between northern hemisphere teams, then what should they do?  

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The "Survey says".................

 

October 2011 - 51,100 Participants

 

April 2012-13 - 48,700 Participants

 

A decrease of almost 5%.......

Just had a look for April 2013 -2014 for 14+ - this is at 63,400...

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Can he not be sued for blatant lying?

 Where are the lies?  I would be keen to see this.

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Totally agree with Lord Charles the RFL is all about spin from the senior figures in the game. The truth never gets in the way of self preservation when Nigel Wood speaks.

The game is a business that is being run by people who are out of their depth. Our competitors Rugby Union and the NRL have made massive strides in the last ten to fifteen years. Why? very simple ....... professional leadership.

We are going nowhere with Barwick, Wood and Rimmer. By the way what exactly does Brian Barwick doing on a daily basis?

 

RU release a statement not long back saying they had a 40% increase of television viewers since moving to BT.  They didn't mention they they actually televising nearly double the amount of games to get this 40% increase.

 

Guess how many threads from "fans" on popular RU forums, or articles from RU journalists deriding this as spin and calling for peoples heads there were....

 

Then have a rethink as to why RL is being held back...

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Just had a look for April 2013 -2014 for 14+ - this is at 63,400...

If correct, that's pretty impressive. Around 30% up on 2012-13.

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What is impressive is a £7m increase in turnover - about 25%.

 

The RFL needs to continue this upward trend though and not sit on their Laurels.

 

We are massively behind RU (turnover £150m), but without our own stadium and the international scene that RU benefits from, that is still an impressive figure.

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forget expansion fat nige has 

fat nige? Really? How old are you, 10.

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 Maybe, just maybe, he was talking about 12/13 to 13/14, y'know -  the latest figures?

 

Just a thought....

Almost as thought someone is trying to use false stats to demean something. How very weird.

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If correct, that's pretty impressive. Around 30% up on 2012-13.

 

Just trying to reconcile your 30% comment. I'm looking at the spreadsheet that shows 14+ as distinct from the other that has the 16+ and info on more survey years.

 

Anyway the end column is from April to April (hence combines two survey years that are normally Oct to Oct)... that shows 63,400

 

The survey before which is the normal Oct to Oct shows 67,300.

 

Thus I'm trying to understand your comment, purely as I'm wondering if I misunderstand the info.

 

Not disputing the actual numbers but one has to also be cautious as the columns cover different periods which could affect the outcomes comparison until we get the full Oct to Oct to compare.

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Just trying to reconcile your 30% comment. I'm looking at the spreadsheet that shows 14+ as distinct from the other that has the 16+ and info on more survey years.

 

Anyway the end column is from April to April (hence combines two survey years that are normally Oct to Oct)... that shows 63,400

 

The survey before which is the normal Oct to Oct shows 67,300.

 

Thus I'm trying to understand your comment, purely as I'm wondering if I misunderstand the info.

 

Not disputing the actual numbers but one has to also be cautious as the columns cover different periods which could affect the outcomes comparison until we get the full Oct to Oct to compare.

I think he is basing it on the 48,700 quoted for April 2012-2013 by LordCharles

 

Any comparison has to be based on the latest figures, and by using the April to April not only are these the latest figures, but these will show any effect the WC will have had.

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I have just read a quote from Nigel Wood where he states "The game is at an all time high with almost 39 million watching the game live-either at the ground or on television"

 

Which leads me to ponder how big the population of Yorkshire and Lancashire really is?

 

Seriously though to make a broad staement like this, one would presume there are facts to back it up, as of yet though no actual facts seem avaliable.

 

The plot thickens to quote anotherwell know  fictional character

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I think he is basing it on the 48,700 quoted for April 2012-2013 by LordCharles

 

Any comparison has to be based on the latest figures, and by using the April to April not only are these the latest figures, but these will show any effect the WC will have had.

That's where the 30% came from

 

2012-13 - 48,700

2013-14 - 63,400

 

Apologies if I was comparing apples to oranges

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You assume only people in Yorkshire and Lancashire watch RL? 

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I have just read a quote from Nigel Wood where he states "The game is at an all time high with almost 39 million watching the game live-either at the ground or on television"

 

Which leads me to ponder how big the population of Yorkshire and Lancashire really is?

 

Seriously though to make a broad staement like this, one would presume there are facts to back it up, as of yet though no actual facts seem avaliable.

 

The plot thickens to quote anotherwell know  fictional character

The problem whenever anyone quotes how many watched the games is it doesn't (and can't) take into account that the same people watch many of the same games. So if there was 39 games on and the same million people watched all the games, do we say there was 39 million watching or 1 million.

 

There's always a lot of dodgy figures thrown around with regards to viewing stats. For example, whenever the Classico is on in Spain you hear of viewing figures of around 1 billion but it's nowhere near that. That's more potential viewing figures than actual. You have to take it all with a pinch of salt.

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That's where the 30% came from

 

2012-13 - 48,700

2013-14 - 63,400

 

Apologies if I was comparing apples to oranges

 

No need to apologize... I'm just trying to ensure I'm reading things correctly.

 

No problems and thanks

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I have just read a quote from Nigel Wood where he states "The game is at an all time high with almost 39 million watching the game live-either at the ground or on television"

 

Which leads me to ponder how big the population of Yorkshire and Lancashire really is?

 

Seriously though to make a broad staement like this, one would presume there are facts to back it up, as of yet though no actual facts seem avaliable.

 

The plot thickens to quote anotherwell know  fictional character

 

Aren't something like 50% of viewers from the southern regions of England?

 

Anyway, If there are 75 games broadcast on Sky at 200,000 per game then thats 15m.  Add in a few million for the CC fixtures, a significant amount for WC games and live attendances up to 3m, it's quite easy to see where the 39m comes from.

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You assume only people in Yorkshire and Lancashire watch RL?

Apparently roughly half of SL audience are from the south...read that from someone.

Doesn't SL get more viewers than RU Prremiership? Almost certain it does.

There are two big factors that RU has over RL...an international game, but also RU being based in the wealthy south...means higher ticket prices = bigger gate receipts, and with games played in London the game has a bigger profile which means more sponsors etc.

As an outsider (football dominates 90% of my sports interest)...I think being critical of those who run RL is maybe a tad harsh. As a sport it's up against the 8 ball. Maybe if you are in and around the sport you tend to be more critical...but take a step back. True the international game has been neglected somewhat...but then again what opposition is there? What realistically can be done? Play Aus or NZ umpteen times per year? A tri nations could be a goer....2 games in Eng, then 2 in Aus, 2 in NZ.

From an Irish perspective, the World Cup didn't work. Throwing together fellas with Irish heritage was never going to appeal hence low gates. I don't think there are any seeds for growth here (I've never seen anyone play the game here)..therefore RL needs to focus on areas where the game is strong, or does have room for growth (team in France perhaps?)

RL has quite a good deal with Sky sports and SL never seems to be off the screen, and the Grand final at OT gets well publicised. There is very little else that can be done domestically. From an outside perspective, the game itself is viewed as culturally northern...that's it's identity whether intended or not. Then there is RU with its southern base...the toffs from the home counties (and a bit of the southwest)...that's two tribes that cannot co-exist hence the geographic division.

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Head in sand time again from Nigel Wood. You can use statistics to twist an argument in your favour and thats whats he does. Sadly he is like his mate Ralph Rimmer failing to lead the sport properly and is either blind or ignorant to the many problems in the game. Clubs whether SL or Championship are skint and are struggling. There is alot of anger or unhappiness regarding the RFL and how its doing things from players, fans and Clubs. Maybe its because of the age we are living in but I dont remember so much public criticism of the RFL from clubs in the past. The battle between te amateur and Pro game for youngsters is still there and not being solved. The new system is not one that has gone down well with many people at all and I cant see it lasting long. I know the RFL have a tough job but Wood and Rimmer are not and never have addressed the problems in the game and seem happy to bring out some statistics and say the game has never had it so good. For me the game will be in a mess and lack leadership while Mr Wood and Rimmer are running things.  

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I have just read a quote from Nigel Wood where he states "The game is at an all time high with almost 39 million watching the game live-either at the ground or on television"

 

Which leads me to ponder how big the population of Yorkshire and Lancashire really is?

 

Seriously though to make a broad staement like this, one would presume there are facts to back it up, as of yet though no actual facts seem avaliable.

 

The plot thickens to quote anotherwell know  fictional character

 

It's actually really simple. If you watched 20 games in a season, you are "20 people" effectively. It is much easier for broadcasters and administrators to give a cumulative figure of all the ratings they had during the season, as all they have to do is add up the ratings week to week. For obvious reasons, it is much more difficult to ascertain the precise number of people who watched Super League, because some people watch every game, while others may only see one game. 

 

Most of that 39 million figure is repeat watchers, ie people who watch regularly. It is most certainly not 39m individual people across Britain. No sport in Britain has anywhere near that amount of fans.

 

In my best estimate, football has around 8 million regular fans across England, which would not even be a fifth of the population. I suspect that RL is around the 1 million mark. 

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And of course the international game is thriving ; )

Am i missing something. What International game?

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