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The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)

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Given that the decision's been made, we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out (I'll give it three years before they're back to the drawing board - any other offers?). Old b*gg*rs like me  might see a certain resemblance between the Championship one structure and the old RL one division set up.

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Ey up - so really, to snatch the place in the top league really one of the championship clubs only has to win ONE game against a SL club? THE MILLION QUID GAME indeed... Does that put to bed the naysayers (me included) that the game in the salary cap will prove too much? Bascially, even if the gap in caps is so much that a championship club can't hope of coming in the top four of the middle eight, they only have to beat their fellow championshippers and then a one off versus the SL teams?

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Ey up - so really, to snatch the place in the top league really one of the championship clubs only has to win ONE game against a SL club? THE MILLION QUID GAME indeed... Does that put to bed the naysayers (me included) that the game in the salary cap will prove too much? Bascially, even if the gap in caps is so much that a championship club can't hope of coming in the top four of the middle eight, they only have to beat their fellow championshippers and then a one off versus the SL teams?

 

As a result of the salary cap difference between the bottom 4 SL and top 4 Championship sides there could be an awful lot of mismatches in that middle 8 before you get to the million pound game, which might kill interest in it before it happens.

 

As a fan of one of the Championship's newest members (Bradford, sigh) I hope that isn't the case, but Bradford haven't exactly been competitive this season while managing on half the Sky cash their opponents have had at their disposal, so the omens aren't great for a more even competition when that situation is replicated across 4 clubs in an 8 team mini-league.

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The solution to the problem of semi-pro clubs finding the gap to SL too big to bridge seems to be to simply make promotion difficult. You have to beat professional teams with a semi-pro squad to go up. It's just a weak attempt at appeasing those who want proper P&R. What happens if after three seasons not one team has actually been promoted?

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As a result of the salary cap difference between the bottom 4 SL and top 4 Championship sides there could be an awful lot of mismatches in that middle 8 before you get to the million pound game, which might kill interest in it before it happens.

 

As a fan of one of the Championship's newest members (Bradford, sigh) I hope that isn't the case, but Bradford haven't exactly been competitive this season while managing on half the Sky cash their opponents have had at their disposal, so the omens aren't great for a more even competition when that situation is replicated across 4 clubs in an 8 team mini-league.

 

Agree with this. I said it a few weeks ago, any club doomed in the bottom 4 places (with a few games to go) will not be able to resist the temptation to rest key players ahead of the split. They will want to be firing on all cylinders come the "Qualifiers" because they will want to ensure they are back in SL again. I can certainly see a club like Wakefield or Hull KR putting second string sides out against the likes of Leeds, Warrington and Wigan at the end .

 

This is what full time professionalism is all about. Better players, bigger squads. It is all stacked against the Championship sides.

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A nit-picking question maybe but valid all the same: how will slary caps be measured in clubs with full-time players and those with part-time players? Currently there is a significant and justifiable difference between the systems of assessment of RL income between SL and Championship clubs. Unifying these will be difficult I believe.

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There's going to be chaos if the bottom four SL teams get through the P&R playoffs for the next three years and nobody is promoted. Within five years we'll be having another re-structuring.

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As a fan of a Championship On.. Ahem, League One club I'm baffled by the decision to play 1st vs 2nd at the end of the year to decide automatic promotion with the loser dropping into the play offs with 3rd, 4tg and 5th.

What a pointless game, the league winner should go up automatically with 2-5 contesting for the second place via play offs.

The fact that they've finally changed the name of the league is a huge bonus. Championship One (the league below the Championship)? How bloody stupid is that!

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Can Martyn or someone genuinely find the answer to my following question;

 

When will the fixtures for the 'Super 8' trio of leagues be decided? It's mentioned how many games the teams play, but, without knowing who will be in the league, how can clubs market, budget and organise the Super 8 fixtures?

 

And, like John, I now ask not only as a Super League fan but a newly relegated Championship fan too.

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40 community clubs is down from 44 last year. Can't help but feel that will be down again if league 1 expands, also if they're not inviting every NCL club they may as well be honest about what they're doing and drop it to 20 so we don't need the extra round

are there qualifiying rounds?

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What a terrible mess.

We may well have appeased some fans of the big Championship clubs and we may have widened some interest at the end of the season. But at what cost?

It will be completely impenetrable to the casual fan, who won't hang around to have the context explained. They'll have already switched over to the darts.

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There's going to be chaos if the bottom four SL teams get through the P&R playoffs for the next three years and nobody is promoted. Within five years we'll be having another re-structuring.

Won't last that long. As soon as it becomes clear that the bottom 4 SL clubs in 2015 will retain their places for 2016 (ie half way through the qualifiers) there will be calls for change. In fact, if there are a couple of big scores in the first week of qualifiers we won't even have to wait for the halfway mark.

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What a terrible mess.

We may well have appeased some fans of the big Championship clubs and we may have widened some interest at the end of the season. But at what cost?

It will be completely impenetrable to the casual fan, who won't hang around to have the context explained. They'll have already switched over to the darts.

 

Have to agree. I have two science degrees and I'm struggling to make sense of this. Keep it simple if you want it to succeed!

This is over complicated and I can see that many people on the forum are in support but if you are on this forum then you are probably a 'die-hard' rl fan and take the time to understand the subtle nuances of bringing in 'championship' clubs (I'm in favour of this) and other perceived benefits.

 

Joe public won't take the time to bother with this- over complicated, over fussy and to me is just the RFL flexing their muscles to say "Whhhooooooo! Look at us aren't we important".

 

As said above- KEEP IT SIMPLE. This is a dog's dinner and is fiddling for fiddling's sake.

 

Call me a dinosaur but can't we just have a simple league with the top team at the end of the season being crowned champions. Stuff the play-offs- we saw where it got Wire on Friday by resting players for the end of season shenanigans (no disrespect meant to Widnes- you won well, fair and square)

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Won't last that long. As soon as it becomes clear that the bottom 4 SL clubs in 2015 will retain their places for 2016 (ie half way through the qualifiers) there will be calls for change. In fact, if there are a couple of big scores in the first week of qualifiers we won't even have to wait for the halfway mark.

 

The first x3 places could in theory be assured early in the qualifiers but the 4th team can't be. That is the 4th team that goes in SL or continues in SL is only determined by what they call the million pound game between 4th and 5th teams in the qualifiers league position........ daft to me but I guess it gives a SL team a 2nd bite if they manage to hiccup along the way... well it seems to me they are doing the best to make it as hard as possible for a championship team to escape.

 

No matter the points difference between the 4th and 5th placed teams in the qualifier league they will have to play off for the final place in the following SL season

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Have to agree. I have two science degrees and I'm struggling to make sense of this. Keep it simple if you want it to succeed!

This is over complicated and I can see that many people on the forum are in support but if you are on this forum then you are probably a 'die-hard' rl fan and take the time to understand the subtle nuances of bringing in 'championship' clubs (I'm in favour of this) and other perceived benefits.

 

Joe public won't take the time to bother with this- over complicated, over fussy and to me is just the RFL flexing their muscles to say "Whhhooooooo! Look at us aren't we important".

 

As said above- KEEP IT SIMPLE. This is a dog's dinner and is fiddling for fiddling's sake.

 

Call me a dinosaur but can't we just have a simple league with the top team at the end of the season being crowned champions. Stuff the play-offs- we saw where it got Wire on Friday by resting players for the end of season shenanigans (no disrespect meant to Widnes- you won well, fair and square)

 

Your last paragraph... Tony Smith (and others) approach to saving players for business end of season as they call it does make me always re-consider whether I should take a similar approach. That is be much more selective from an attendance perspective and maybe only attend play-off games.   It really does annoy me.

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New fans to the game will see the many different structures and names and just lose interest, not so much in the games played but certainly in the result of the win/loss. Which may stop some people with an interest in RL really taking a deeper interest.

All sounds more complicated and contrived than

It needs to be. Trying to please everyone and by doing so creating something that's just a bit baffling. SL play offs, super 8, qualifiers, million pound game, magic weekend, summer bash, world club challenge, challenge cup, championship league one.. Is there any game next year that doesn't have a specific name?!.. A bit uneccessary for me.

Have always been of the opinion that inside three years we'll be hearing calls for change to this system and we'll be back to square one.

Will be interesting to see how it goes, but all these changes have left me just thinking I'll just await the outcome of the a lot of games rather than taking a direct interest leading up to them.

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There's going to be chaos if the bottom four SL teams get through the P&R playoffs for the next three years and nobody is promoted. Within five years we'll be having another re-structuring.

The sooner the better. One or two up and down p and r for me.

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The solution to the problem of semi-pro clubs finding the gap to SL too big to bridge seems to be to simply make promotion difficult. You have to beat professional teams with a semi-pro squad to go up. It's just a weak attempt at appeasing those who want proper P&R. What happens if after three seasons not one team has actually been promoted?

 

Ooooh a naysayer!

 

What happens is the new eight club Superleague simply rolls on and on.

 

What clearly will happen is the top clubs will continue to stay in the spotlight as they play their big games against each other three times a season or more

 

Remember 2004

 

Leeds 26 Bradford 18 att:21,225

Bradford 12 Leeds 26 att: 23.375

Leeds 40 Bradford 12 att: 21,225

Leeds 12 Bradford 26 att: 21,525 (QSF)

Bradford 8 Leeds 16 att: 65,547 (Final)

 

Yet somehow we are told by KPMG/RFL the "radical" new system which is a tyred old re-tread (geddit?) will be the saviour of the crowd slump.

 

It's a case of if you want P & R then go play it at the bottom of the garden and leave the big boys to play the real game. I wouldn't mind but the radical RFL have lost the biggest boy of all. 

 

Time for the RFL to resign (no not re-sign)!

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Ooooh a naysayer!

 

What happens is the new eight club Superleague simply rolls on and on.

 

What clearly will happen is the top clubs will continue to stay in the spotlight as they play their big games against each other three times a season or more

 

Remember 2004

 

Leeds 26 Bradford 18 att:21,225

Bradford 12 Leeds 26 att: 23.375

Leeds 40 Bradford 12 att: 21,225

Leeds 12 Bradford 26 att: 21,525 (QSF)

Bradford 8 Leeds 16 att: 65,547 (Final)

 

Yet somehow we are told by KPMG/RFL the "radical" new system which is a tyred old re-tread (geddit?) will be the saviour of the crowd slump.

 

It's a case of if you want P & R then go play it at the bottom of the garden and leave the big boys to play the real game. I wouldn't mind but the radical RFL have lost the biggest boy of all. 

 

Time for the RFL to resign (no not re-sign)!

What were the attendances for Leed v Bradford games this season ? Bradford are no longer one of the big boys.

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Thought someone might have mentioned the increase in the number of games the new structure leads to. 

 

The number of matches the top clubs will play under the various systems are as follows:

 

Super League 2014: 27 + 3/4 playoffs + a potential 5 CC games

 

Super League 2015: 30 + 2 playoffs + a potential 4/5 CC games

 

NRL: 24 + 3/4 playoffs

 

 

Player burnout will be an issue. We'll see more players being rested mid-season, which is annoying for fans. 

 

Thnk the uneven distribution of home games is really bad - would have been better to have the Magic weekend as the first round after the split.

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What were the attendances for Leed v Bradford games this season ? Bradford are no longer one of the big boys.

Bradford are still one of the big boys....as are man u

Sheffield won the league last year and are not one of the big boys same as hudds...

Bradford will bounce back, they have the best academy in Yorkshire and will keep churning out players, no dual reg for them!

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