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25/07/14 - St Helens v Widnes Vikings KO 8pm

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we can win this to make it 3 on the run against stains 

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We've struggled against Widnes a bit over the last few years, and if they continue where they left off against Warrington last week then we'll have our work cut out. Our win win loss pattern also suggests that we'll come up short in this one.

 

Walsh's return will no doubt help. Could go either way but I'm reasonably optimistic that we can get the points. It won't but much of a surprise either way though.

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We've struggled against Widnes a bit over the last few years, and if they continue where they left off against Warrington last week then we'll have our work cut out. Our win win loss pattern also suggests that we'll come up short in this one.

 

Walsh's return will no doubt help. Could go either way but I'm reasonably optimistic that we can get the points. It won't but much of a surprise either way though.

Although we get Walsh back, we've lost Hohaia and Hohaia is a calm head on that pitch.  Not so sure about Walsh.  Also, Walsh has been out for weeks, proving to be pretty unreliable really which is a shame, and then if Wheeler plays the last time he was at six was when? Months ago?  So I think we could fall down on our halves this time out.  Our forwards though have no excuse!

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Either Saints by miles or Widnes if it's close. If Widnes are training to peak in a couple of weeks, then they could be very dangerous opposition tonight...

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we can win this to make it 3 on the run against stains

doh...

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we can win this to make it 3 on the run against stains

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Walsh stretchered off with a serious ankle injury. Initial reaction suggests that he won't be playing again this season.

 

Massive loss.

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44-22 FT score. That's an excellent win, and it's pleasing to see Makinson get a hat-trick and Masoe get a double.

 

Unfortunately it's all come at far too high a price. We knew we were lacking depth in the creativity department, and now with Walsh (presumably) joining Lomax in being out for the season, and Hohaia being out for two months, things are looking bleak as we head into the business end. Injuries obviously happen to all teams and you just get on with things as best you can, as we will, but I can't see any of our potential remaining halves combinations being too successful in unlocking tight defences come playoff time.

 

Credit to Widnes too for not rolling over and managing to put a respectable number of points on the board after being 32-0 down.

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Radio 5 reporting a compound leg fracture for Walsh.

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Is a compund fracture when the bone comes out the skin? Like Chev Walker suffered? Or is that an open fracture?

 

Either way it's grim news. Hopefully he'll make a full recovery and will be able to carry on with his career with no long term issues.

 

Best of luck to him, it's been a pleasure watching him play this year.

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Saintslass along soon to say the world will end

World hasn't ended, but the season has.  No team can go without all their playmakers at this time of year and expect success, and we have now lost Walsh, Lomax, Hohaia and Wilkin for the season.

 

Is a compund fracture when the bone comes out the skin? Like Chev Walker suffered? Or is that an open fracture?

Yes, that's a compound fracture, like Chev Walker's.  Apparently Walsh's bone came out of his skin.  Not sure which one though as some are saying ankle, some saying shin.  Hard to tell I guess but his ankle was pointing in the wrong direction.  Apparently his wife was distraught when he was waiting for the ambulance, which I guess she would be as he was on oxygen and in a great deal of pain.  He was looking good too, it was so good to have him back on the pitch.  So sorry for him.  What a miserable time he has had since Easter.

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World hasn't ended, but the season has.  No team can go without all their playmakers at this time of year and expect success, and we have now lost Walsh, Lomax, Hohaia and Wilkin for the season.

 

Yes, that's a compound fracture, like Chev Walker's.  Apparently Walsh's bone came out of his skin.  Not sure which one though as some are saying ankle, some saying shin.  Hard to tell I guess but his ankle was pointing in the wrong direction.  Apparently his wife was distraught when he was waiting for the ambulance, which I guess she would be as he was on oxygen and in a great deal of pain.  He was looking good too, it was so good to have him back on the pitch.  So sorry for him.  What a miserable time he has had since Easter.

Sounds absolutely horrible :( Hopefully they can make him comfortable asap, although I'm sure the mental pain of it won't pass in a hurry. As you say his luck has been out for months now, and to culminate in this is a devastating blow.

 

What happened to Wilkin? He's gone for the year too? If that's true then I assume that Wheeler and Wellens will be our first choice pairing.

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Sounds absolutely horrible :( Hopefully they can make him comfortable asap, although I'm sure the mental pain of it won't pass in a hurry. As you say his luck has been out for months now, and to culminate in this is a devastating blow.

 

What happened to Wilkin? He's gone for the year too? If that's true then I assume that Wheeler and Wellens will be our first choice pairing.

I was told tonight that his shoulder is knackered and he's likely to be gone for the season.  It was the shoulder that was allegedly dislocated a little while ago.  In other words, we rushed him back and now possibly he and the team are going to suffer.

 

There is no way we can make anything of this season without Walsh, Hohaia, Wilkin and Lomax.  It just isn't going to happen.  I hope they throw Charnock in and see what he can do.  I'd rather end the season with the encouragement of watching a young half have a go than just fizzle out with Wheeler (who was almost totally absent tonight) and Wello (who was a liability) in the halves.

 

Oh, we lost Flanagan as well.

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Sorry to hear about walsh's injury, sounds grim, hope he has a speedy recovery

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:)

who are hammering barrow this week 

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well that was a real anti-climax after last week, still it could be worse we could be barrow 

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well that was a real anti-climax after last week, still it could be worse we could be barrow 

Have you heard whether Brown is ok?  I hope he isn't out for long.

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It is always a shame when injuries play a big part in any team's season. I remember one year when Saints - clearly the best team at the time - lost pretty much all their props and thus fell short in the play offs.

This may not be the time to make this point, but in Walsh's long term favour surgeons work wonders with broken bones and he does not particularly rely on speed on foot (rather speed of thought). Wishing him all the best.

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Walsh, when he's been fit, has been the spark that lit up St Helens in a way that hasn't happened for several years.He made them play like, well, St Helens, instead of the somewhat uninspiring outfit we've seen in recent seasons.

 

Absolutely the best of luck to him in his recovery.

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Walsh, when he's been fit, has been the spark that lit up St Helens in a way that hasn't happened for several years.He made them play like, well, St Helens, instead of the somewhat uninspiring outfit we've seen in recent seasons.

 

Absolutely, and on Friday night with his return from the back injury that impact was again immediate.  We just looked like a team that could score great tries.  And some of his own plays have been just great to watch. 

 

He has now had a full ankle reconstruction but with compound fractures apparently the risk of infection is high, even some time after the break has occurred, so it'll be a long slow road to recovery for him.  Hopefully with no complications. 

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well that was a real anti-climax after last week, still it could be worse we could be barrow

We're more sustainable, test the time of 20 years and wor will see who holds up. Let's see who assets match up.

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it must be easier in the third tier being on reduced wage bills and such barrow are a dead duck who's only brush with success came via blatant cheating for which they were docked 29 points

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