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Why have those seven nations received automatic qualification?

This is the only thing that annoys me with the WC. They just make up automatic qualification processes as they go along and have no logic to it! The thing is, I can see exactly the attempted logic of how they've come to it!

"We'll have all the quarter finalists as automatic qualifiers. That makes sense."

"Oh, but USA made the quarters. How will we sort qualifiers over the Atlantic? Plus, they're a bit unstable at the minute."

"Good point. Well we'll just have those seven then, we'll mention that they were quarter finalists, but we won't say that that's why they qualified so no one brings up the USA situation!"

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What would be logical would be for them to announce how automatic qualification applies for the 2021 RLWC so teams know if they've achieved it beforehand. In fact, it would be good as a motivational tool.

Too logical though!

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 i see problems with this...what if wales win this years european cup there for gaining entry to the 2016 4nations.....when are they supposed to qualify for the world cup?? especially if theres a GB tour in 2015 which could possibly see any welsh "stars" touring with GB instead of helping wales qualify for the world cup..

 

 

hopefully the world cup qualification process will kill any idea that GB can tour...its impractical & pointless....have england tour instead

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To be honest, automatic selection for those quarter-finalists who have kept the same administration as last time makes sense. 

 

The Canadian performances of recent years might really challenge the USA, so the USARL (if officially recognised) have to prove themselves as a new entity on the international scene.

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Can't see how Scotland get a place ahead of Wales, or how Samoa get a place ahead of PNG.

The message seems to be that you get rewarded for having good heritage players but not for having pro or semi-pro clubs and a national infrastructure. Just seems wrong.

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Totally agree with Wellsy. Seven qualifiers is just plain odd.

Top four, I could understand. Top seven???

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No, it does make sense. All the quarter finalists aside from the USA, whose admin has big question marks over them. Incidentally, I was listening to Five Live and they mentioned that Scotland were among the automatic qualifiers for the RL World Cup in the middle of their Commonwealth Games last day coverage. Fantastic publicity at a time when the ears of the nation will be on their home games.

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To be honest, automatic selection for those quarter-finalists who have kept the same administration as last time makes sense.

The Canadian performances of recent years might really challenge the USA, so the USARL (if officially recognised) have to prove themselves as a new entity on the international scene.

I'd agree with this if they came out and said it! They really need to address the USA situation. This would have been a perfect time to say "you've got to sort your problems out, this is a consequence for the mess you're in."

But if we are to have any credibility, automatic qualification needs to be arranged before we know the teams, not after. "These teams in the quarters are alright, so we'll say it's because of that!"

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Personally, I'd have the top three as automatic qualifiers (so a third place play off), and that third place play off also determining who enters the Tri Nations the following year.

Everyone else has to qualify through the next few years. Prove your worth. Actually bring some meaning to internationals rather than glorified friendlies.

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Why have those seven nations received automatic qualification?

This is the only thing that annoys me with the WC. They just make up automatic qualification processes as they go along and have no logic to it! The thing is, I can see exactly the attempted logic of how they've come to it!

"We'll have all the quarter finalists as automatic qualifiers. That makes sense."

"Oh, but USA made the quarters. How will we sort qualifiers over the Atlantic? Plus, they're a bit unstable at the minute."

"Good point. Well we'll just have those seven then, we'll mention that they were quarter finalists, but we won't say that that's why they qualified so no one brings up the USA situation!"

 

Didn't they earlier announce that participating nations had to be members of the RLIF and Italy and USA weren,t. I think the USRL is currently applying to replace the AMNRL.

The US, Canada and Jamaica are all making progress in RL. It would be crazy to deny any of them the opportunity to qualify and, as you say, the US should be automatically in because thy made the quarters.

 

The fact that the press release did not mention the US at all, never mind a reason for their exclusion is very muddled. Do they think the general public will not pick up on  this.?

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Didn't they earlier announce that participating nations had to be members of the RLIF and Italy and USA weren,t. I think the USRL is currently applying to replace the AMNRL.

The US, Canada and Jamaica are all making progress in RL. It would be crazy to deny any of them the opportunity to qualify and, as you say, the US should be automatically in because thy made the quarters.

The fact that the press release did not mention the US at all, never mind a reason for their exclusion is very muddled. Do they think the general public will not pick up on this.?

Exactly. It's not exactly hard to make it credible. They just haven't addressed the issues hoping that people won't realise. Why not just be upfront about it? People will understand and react accordingly. Pretending it's not happening just gives people an excuse not to act upon it.

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Can't see how Scotland get a place ahead of Wales, or how Samoa get a place ahead of PNG.

The message seems to be that you get rewarded for having good heritage players but not for having pro or semi-pro clubs and a national infrastructure. Just seems wrong.

 

Both made the quarter finals. Wales and PNG did not.

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The fact that the press release did not mention the US at all, never mind a reason for their exclusion is very muddled. Do they think the general public will not pick up on  this.?

The general public probably won't pick up on it because the general public doesn't know much about RL in general and the USA situation in particular.

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Can't see how Scotland get a place ahead of Wales, or how Samoa get a place ahead of PNG.

The message seems to be that you get rewarded for having good heritage players but not for having pro or semi-pro clubs and a national infrastructure. Just seems wrong.

The message seems to be more that you get rewarded on the field and not behind the scenes.

Your reward for behind the scenes should be what transpires on the field.

If it's not about what happens on the field, then what's the point of playing?

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All four regions will reveal their qualification programmes by October 2014 and the process will still be open to Affiliate members who gain Full status in the interim.

 

So that means qualification is only open to full members of the RLIF? I'm assuming the RLIF are planning on elevating a few teams to full member status before this all starts, because as it stands the Americas spot won't take too long to sort out. The Middle East-Africa spot should be a shoe in for Lebanon. 

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So that means qualification is only open to full members of the RLIF? I'm assuming the RLIF are planning on elevating a few teams to full member status before this all starts, because as it stands the Americas spot won't take too long to sort out. The Middle East-Africa spot should be a shoe in for Lebanon.

Out of interest, what are the four regions?

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The general public probably won't pick up on it because the general public doesn't know much about RL in general and the USA situation in particular.

 

You might be right. The US is a better bet than Samoa though who have little to no domestic leagues and are all heritage players as are most of the US squad but have a growing club scene. Samoa in, the US out or even Scotland. It doesn't gell. The US could be in for being quarter finalists and Jamaica and Canada could play off for an Americas place and the winner could play off for against the asia/Africa winner which won't have too many entries either.

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Out of interest, what are the four regions?

 

Europe, Asia Pacific, Americas, Middle East-Africa. Going on current full members, the Americas region would be just Jamaica. 

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You might be right. The US is a better bet than Samoa though who have little to no domestic leagues and are all heritage players as are most of the US squad but have a growing club scene. Samoa in, the US out or even Scotland. It doesn't gell. The US could be in for being quarter finalists and Jamaica and Canada could play off for an Americas place and the winner could play off for against the asia/Africa winner which won't have too many entries either.

If the USA had a stable, single administration, they probably would have got in automatically, leaving Jamaica, Canada and (perhaps ) Japan to qualify amongst themselves.

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A few qualms over this: why is a press release for the sport's only global competition being made on a Sunday? Surely for increased publicity it could've been done post Commonwealth games - an event which is consuming a large amount of media space in most of the countries involved. I would have also held a press conference rather than just whip it out on a sunday afternoon. Journos and fans alike surely have questions they'd like to put to Mr Wood. Secondly the USA point has been discussed many a time, that of Italy too that with a split/division within the domestic comps etc there is no unifiying board so it's hard to assess how they could be given legitimacy. I do hope the qualifiers are at the end of each year to enable all heritage players to be drawn upon - Jamaica (never get why they don't play as WI to increase chances and talent pool), Lebanon and Italy will still be dependent on them come 2017 despite good, strong domestic comps. And why can't we increase it to 16 teams, with an extra Asia/Pacific space as on this template Tonga, Cooks or PNG gonna miss out, and also add a repechage between Europe 4 V Americas 2?

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If the USA had a stable, single administration, they probably would have got in automatically, leaving Jamaica, Canada and (perhaps ) Japan to qualify amongst themselves.

 

I understand there is an application from the USRL to become the accredited body for international RL in the US and to become a full member of the RLIF. Surely this could have been sorted out before this qualification press release was done and this confusion could have been avoided. Cart before the horse if you ask me.

 

I see various US club teams with sponsors and replica gear on sale and a stable league structure. at least in the USRL, but they get the boot and Samoa are in. It makes no sense to me. 

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Europe, Asia Pacific, Americas, Middle East-Africa. Going on current full members, the Americas region would be just Jamaica.

So if it's not full members, the Americas group is basically USA vs Canada vs Jamaica? No wonder they didn't want USA to automatically qualify.

Who is in the Middle-East/Africa group? Lebanon...

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Who is in the Middle-East/Africa group? Lebanon...

South Africa definitely...

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