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Foreign Office minister quits over 'intolerable' expenses rules

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Foreign Office minister quits over 'intolerable' expenses rules
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/11/tory-foreign-office-minister-quits-intolerable-expenses-rules

 

If he can't afford to live in London on his salary and expenses, how does he think anyone else manages to do so on far, far less in the low wage economy his party champions so much?

 

Good riddance to another clueless, out of touch, selfish grasper, IMO.

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He will be quitting because he can make more money and/or have a better lifestyle outside Parliament. Whilst he not be poor as an MP, he might be poorer than he would be going back to running his Hertfordshire property company.

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He will be quitting because he can make more money and/or have a better lifestyle outside Parliament. Whilst he not be poor as an MP, he might be poorer than he would be going back to running his Hertfordshire property company.

He's quitting because he cannot fleece the taxpayer like he thought he could!

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Foreign Office minister quits over 'intolerable' expenses rules

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/11/tory-foreign-office-minister-quits-intolerable-expenses-rules

 

If he can't afford to live in London on his salary and expenses, how does he think anyone else manages to do so on far, far less in the low wage economy his party champions so much?

 

Good riddance to another clueless, out of touch, selfish grasper, IMO.

Whilst I agree with your post in principle, the issue is more that the guy needs a second home in London, so it's not as if he could (or necessarily should) pay for a 2nd home out of his salary. 

 

The expenses of £3k per month however should be enough to get him somewhere on the outskirts of London - it's his choice of not wanting to live outside of the centre that is an issue here and where he loses all sympathy from me.

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Whilst I agree with your post in principle, the issue is more that the guy needs a second home in London, so it's not as if he could (or necessarily should) pay for a 2nd home out of his salary. 

 

The expenses of £3k per month however should be enough to get him somewhere on the outskirts of London - it's his choice of not wanting to live outside of the centre that is an issue here and where he loses all sympathy from me.

 

£2,500 a month gets him a generous two bedroom flat within a five minute walk of his office.  Rightmove.

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Why does he need a second home? Thousands of us have to work in London, and elsewhere, and are expected to stay in hotel accommodation. However, we have to do so on far less generous terms, staying within the HMRC expenses rules.

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£2,500 a month gets him a generous two bedroom flat within a five minute walk of his office.  Rightmove.

I only had a 30 second scan tbh, and did put 4 bedrooms due to his 3 kids.

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Why does he need a second home? Thousands of us have to work in London, and elsewhere, and are expected to stay in hotel accommodation. However, we have to do so on far less generous terms, staying within the HMRC expenses rules.

I wouldn't work in London for an extended period working in hotels - in any case, those expenses could easily increase way above the £36k per year.

 

Didn't somebody suggest using an Olympic Village style idea for MP's etc and no expenses? I quite liked the sound of that. I suspect security would need to be tight though!

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I only had a 30 second scan tbh, and did put 4 bedrooms due to his 3 kids.

 

If he's desperate for 3 kids to be there he'll have to slum it in a spacious 3 bedroom flat in Marylebone. £2,578pcm.

 

Five minute walk from Hyde Park, ten minute cycle to work.

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Entering this topic is like entering a 1950s pub...a bunch of  typical last-century class-war labour lags sitting in their smoke-filled corner whining to themselves about price of mild and Woodbines whilst their working class heroes take the ###### out of them by flipping their second mansions.    :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

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I only had a 30 second scan tbh, and did put 4 bedrooms due to his 3 kids.

 

Why doesn't he just get used to living within his means, as everyone else has to do? It's not compulsory for children to have a room of their own ffs, especially when Johnny Taxpayer is expected to foot the bill.

 

Parliament is well shot of people like him, who expect to be able to lecture the populace about austerity and belt-tightening but steadfastly refuse to believe any of that nonsense should apply to their own standard of living.

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Entering this topic is like entering a 1950s pub...a bunch of  typical last-century class-war labour lags sitting in their smoke-filled corner whining to themselves about price of mild and Woodbines whilst their working class heroes take the ###### out of them by flipping their second mansions.    :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

 

Do you actually read the posts on here or just read the topic title and respond to what you imagine people would say if they conformed to your imagined image? There is often very little correlation between your responses to what has actually been said. 

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Do you actually read the posts on here or just read the topic title and respond to what you imagine people would say if they conformed to your imagined image? There is often very little correlation between your responses to what has actually been said. 

 

Not just me then.

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If he's desperate for 3 kids to be there he'll have to slum it in a spacious 3 bedroom flat in Marylebone. £2,578pcm.

 

Five minute walk from Hyde Park, ten minute cycle to work.

Pah, that'd mean 2 of his kids sharing.

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Why doesn't he just get used to living within his means, as everyone else has to do? It's not compulsory for children to have a room of their own ffs, especially when Johnny Taxpayer is expected to foot the bill.

 

Parliament is well shot of people like him, who expect to be able to lecture the populace about austerity and belt-tightening but steadfastly refuse to believe any of that nonsense should apply to their own standard of living.

Fair comment, I agree that it is hardly a tough life, but the couple's combined salaries of £114k is not exactly out of this world, I think the second property living expenses is a nothing cost as it is a requirement that he works away from home, so I am ok with it (although not his issue about living just outside London where he could get a home in his price range).

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Pah, that'd mean 2 of his kids sharing.

 

I know.  Such suffering.

 

Thing is, we all know zone 1 rents are crazy but they're really not so crazy that someone with 36k per year to spend isn't going to be able to find a place.  There are plenty of options.  If he is genuinely using it as an excuse then he is either looking for houses that don't actually exist (large family homes with gardens and garages) or neither he nor his staff can do a google search.  Or he's an idiot.

 

His salary is massive.  His expenses, on a very generous scheme, make his salary even sweeter.  He even gets to employ his wife.

 

Stuff like this makes me think we shouldn't allow rich people to be MPs.  They don't compare their lot with the real world - they compare it to their peers for whom this really is button money.  I'd rather we had a proper working class hero who can fight to reduce the price of woodbines.  It's what we all want down the pub.

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His constituency is in Lincolnshire. In London, His responsibilities are not just as an MP but as a Government Minister with responsibility for African Affairs. His business is based in Hertfordshire. On top of that, he has to try and maintain a family life.

 

He has probably been told he won't be a senior minister in a re-elected government and has decided to quit in time for a proper selection process to be implemented in Lincolnshire.

 

Seems like a sensible choice by a sensible bloke.

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He gets 36K a year for his living expenses alone. 36K. I've lived in this city all my life and I know couples who don't earn that much, never mind being given it as a top up to their 115K combined salary. It's beyond sickening, really, and yet we get jokers not only defending him but taking the proverbial out of anyone daring to condemn this moron. 

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His constituency is in Lincolnshire. In London, His responsibilities are not just as an MP but as a Government Minister with responsibility for African Affairs. His business is based in Hertfordshire. On top of that, he has to try and maintain a family life.

 

He has probably been told he won't be a senior minister in a re-elected government and has decided to quit in time for a proper selection process to be implemented in Lincolnshire.

 

Seems like a sensible choice by a sensible bloke.

 

If he was a sensible bloke, he wouldn't have mentioned expenses at all as his reason for quitting. He would realise what a good crack he's actually on as an MP, compared to the vast majority of those whom he is supposed to represent.

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He gets 36K a year for his living expenses alone. 36K. I've lived in this city all my life and I know couples who don't earn that much, never mind being given it as a top up to their 115K combined salary. It's beyond sickening, really, and yet we get jokers not only defending him but taking the proverbial out of anyone daring to condemn this moron.

i dont appreciate being called a joker because my view differs to yours.

If I had to work away all week, id expect my hotel to be paid for. That could easily come to 25-30k per year. Id also expect meals paid for, although Im not sure whether he claims those too.

Im not going to get into an overall expenses debate, they can be obscene, but I dont see the amounts for a 2nd home to be too offensive.

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Do you actually read the posts on here or just read the topic title and respond to what you imagine people would say if they conformed to your imagined image? There is often very little correlation between your responses to what has actually been said.

What amuses me is his holier than thou arrogance and hypocrisy where he implies that he's above all this, usually on the basis of his enormous wealth of life experience, whereas the reality is he's the chief troll!

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His constituency is in Lincolnshire. In London, His responsibilities are not just as an MP but as a Government Minister with responsibility for African Affairs. His business is based in Hertfordshire. On top of that, he has to try and maintain a family life.

He has probably been told he won't be a senior minister in a re-elected government and has decided to quit in time for a proper selection process to be implemented in Lincolnshire.

Seems like a sensible choice by a sensible bloke.

Not sensible enough to have looked up MP salaries, expenses allowances, London rents and other costs before he got himself nominated as a PPC though eh?

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i dont appreciate being called a joker because my view differs to yours.

If I had to work away all week, id expect my hotel to be paid for. That could easily come to 25-30k per year. Id also expect meals paid for, although Im not sure whether he claims those too.

Im not going to get into an overall expenses debate, they can be obscene, but I dont see the amounts for a 2nd home to be too offensive.

I hate to break it to you, sunshine, but I wasn't actually talking about you.

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I hate to break it to you, sunshine, but I wasn't actually talking about you.

Only three of us have posted anything like a defence of his position, strange that I was exempt from your criticism of people defending him, but hey.

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