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Why the empty seats?

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Leeds vs Warrington, two of the best teams in the country, playing in a semi-final and only 9,000 in attendance.

 

Maybe be I'm a bit naive in thinking this but this game should have been played in front of 25, 30, or even 40 thousand.

 

Leeds get about 15k for home matches, warrington 10k. There's 25k for a start!!

 

You would imagine there would be a few closet fans who jump on the bangwagon when a team reaches the semis. Plus, I'm sure there would be a bit of neutral interest in the game/occasion.

 

Why was the attendance so low?

 

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While you are absolutely correct, its just the way it is in RL.

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Because the CC been treated as second rate for past few years. Early rounds...then hide the semis...then play the final the day after. Stupid. Breath life into this fab comp....earlier in season and with focused rounds.

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Anyone see the Roosters game on premier sports yesterday, talking of empty seats.

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In the 50s and 60s and probably the 70s the challenge cup got the biggest crowds and it was the main competion.In association football the Fa cup has gone down in importance too.

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I thought the attendance was 12,132?

 

Whilst it wasn't a great attendance there has been a longer term decline. Plus both sides have appeared in so many finals recently that a semi-final doesn't mean as much as it once did. Counter this to the Widnes-Cas game that got almost the same attendance despite a much lower combined average attendance.

 

In reality making the semi-finals isn't necessarily a great achievement for many clubs. All Widnes had to do was beat Salford and then a few Championship clubs, it's not quite the difficulty that it probably should be.  

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RL must be the only sport were play offs and big cup games get less in attendance than a run of the mill league game. Never understood why any fan would go and watch a team all season then not want to attend the big games. Bizarre

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 this game should have been played in front of 25, 30, or even 40 thousand.

 

Why? Since when has attendance compulsory?

 

 

When  games are on free-to-air terrestrial TV, crowds are generally much lower than when its not on.  There is a huge body of evidence to support this.

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He's rather naively assuming that RL fans might actually attend the game. He clearly knows nothing of the mile long list of excuses.

Nb this was a CC game but could be any one of a list of big RL games.

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Season Tickets...

 

We actually do a pretty good job of getting casual fans to attend during the season. The majority just won't travel however. 

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The most common answer I've heard over the years: "I'm not going paying for tickets and paying to get there when it's on telly for nowt"

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I remember being at Odsal for a semi involving those nobodies, Featherstone, when there were over 30,000 there. The Cup has certainly regressed from those days.

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Because the CC been treated as second rate for past few years. Early rounds...then hide the semis...then play the final the day after. Stupid. Breath life into this fab comp....earlier in season and with focused rounds.

 

 

I'm not sure that is the answer, but maybe.

 

I just don't see why playing it earlier in the season will make the big difference.   It has lost its Kudos for sure. Except the final is still an event, although even there you don't get sell outs. However, it is still a showpiece for the sport and hence maximum marketing of the final should always be a priority to capture the non regular attending fans of sport that the Olympics, RLWC, Commonwealth Games and Grand Depart showed exists in the publics appetite.   

 

The Grand Final and associated play-offs has contributed to stripping the CC cup of some of its attraction to the casual fan. Plus the limited number of clubs that tend to dominate the silver-ware nowadays. Will be interesting now that Castleford have revived old glories and what impact it has on attendance at the final given the Derby nature of the game too.  Should help with marketing the game.

 

Both the play-offs and the CC have problems in attracting fans attendance as both struggle, even at the semi stages, to sell tickets as demonstrated by the venues chosen.

 

As I say I just don't see why moving the CC to earlier in season will make attendances dastically increase, nor have the games played closer together. The grand-final play-off semi's show that it won't make much difference.

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I remember being at Odsal for a semi involving those nobodies, Featherstone, when there were over 30,000 there. The Cup has certainly regressed from those days.

 

When I was 9 and Featherstone got to Wembley it was the first time I had travelled outside Yorkshire - it was a massive thing to me.

 

By the time my son was 9 he had been to Canada, USA, China, Australia, NZ, Hong Kong, France, Dubai, Japan and Italy. He had also been to London more than a dozen times.

 

Different eras, different worlds.

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The last 5 semis Warrington have been in have not had massive difference in the numbers attending, the match against Huddersfield at Salford had the lowest, the first against Wigan the highest. But the two sides who you would expect to bring more Wigan and Leeds brought fewer fans to the games. Maybe their success has diminished the appeal of semi finals. All clubs get a giant jump in attending the final but if you reach regular finals this will see this number reducing at subsequent finals,

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In the 50s and 60s and probably the 70s the challenge cup got the biggest crowds and it was the main competion.In association football the Fa cup has gone down in importance too.

I think the 70s is pushing it 

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Leeds vs Warrington, two of the best teams in the country, playing in a semi-final and only 9,000 in attendance.

 

Maybe be I'm a bit naive in thinking this but this game should have been played in front of 25, 30, or even 40 thousand.

 

Leeds get about 15k for home matches, warrington 10k. There's 25k for a start!!

 

You would imagine there would be a few closet fans who jump on the bangwagon when a team reaches the semis. Plus, I'm sure there would be a bit of neutral interest in the game/occasion.

 

Why was the attendance so low?

The attendance wasn't 9,000.  That was the BBC just making up stuff.  It was 12,000.

 

The Warrington fans turned up in good numbers.  The Leeds fans less so. 

 

I was thinking of going as a neutral but when I asked for the price of a seat in the neutral area of the ground I was told £28.00 so that was the end of that idea!  I'll pay that amount to watch Saints in a semi final or any international game but I'm afraid it's too much for me to pay to watch two other clubs play.

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I'd like to see venues / councils bid to host the central RFL events, and share some of the burden of marketing the matches.

We should invite bids and announce two non-RL circa 25k grounds that will host the semis (or even just one to host both) in January and start flogging tickets straight away.

As somebody who did PR, comms and marketing for RLWC2013 last year, I can't emphasise enough how much of a difference it made.

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I remember being at Odsal for a semi involving those nobodies, Featherstone, when there were over 30,000 there. The Cup has certainly regressed from those days.

 

Actually Featherstone in 1960 played in a semi with a crowd just a few shy of 56,000 by 1974 when they played in a semi it was down to a little under 8k.

 

This isn't a new phenomenon,

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...and I'd do the same for the grand Final. Play it somewhere new every year, announce it well in advance, and start selling tickets to locals.

Wembley is entrenched as the spiritual home of the Challenge Cup Final. Old Trafford doesn't have that same romance.

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In the 50s and 60s and probably the 70s the challenge cup got the biggest crowds and it was the main competion.In association football the Fa cup has gone down in importance too.

 

In the 70s only two semi finals topped 20k, In the 50s no semi got less than 25k with the highest being nearly 70k  and most getting between 30 - 45k. In the 60s two semis drew less than 20k and the highest was nearly 56k, in 1960, There was a slow decline through the 60s with majority coming in at between 20 - 30k

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...and I'd do the same for the grand Final. Play it somewhere new every year, announce it well in advance, and start selling tickets to locals.

Wembley is entrenched as the spiritual home of the Challenge Cup Final. Old Trafford doesn't have that same romance.

 

Where are all these 70,000 seater stadia?

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I remember being at Odsal for a semi involving those nobodies, Featherstone, when there were over 30,000 there. The Cup has certainly regressed from those days.

 

I was at Headingley for the Challenge Cup SF between those nobodies Featherstone and Bradford in 1983 and there were only just 10k there.

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Semi and final two weeks apart will also have a part to play.

Add the wire in Catalan a week before the semi.

I commented to the wife on Saturday about the atmosphere before the game was poor, 13 years ago at headingley, when the bulls battered us, the atmosphere was fantastic, our game is struggling IMHO

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