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Amnrl officially dead

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Good. Get the USARL recognised, given RLIF membership and get the States into the World Cup pronto. They made he quarters last time. The game cannot ignore a country as big as the States which has an affinity for the type of game we play, namely, running with the ball and tackling.

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Good !!

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Lets hope the game doesn't lose all the people involved in the AMNRL. Hopefully all players and volunteers will find a way into the USARL competition.

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Why is this good, apart from the fact they can now be recognised?

 

Were the AMNRL bad for the game, are the USARL better? How?

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How many teams are currently playing in the States and how does this compare with Canada?

11 in the USARL, split between two conferences

9 in the CRL, again split between two conferences

You can add in the occasional development club outside of the US heartlands as well.

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11 in the USARL, split between two conferences

9 in the CRL, again split between two conferences

You can add in the occasional development club outside of the US heartlands as well.

There are 5 or 6 AMNRL clubs, and you'd hope that they would join the USARL from next season and not just fold.

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Why is this good, apart from the fact they can now be recognised?

 

Were the AMNRL bad for the game, are the USARL better? How?

I will go out on a limb here and give you my version but I m very much open to correction from persons more in the know.

The AMNRL will always b known as the founding organisation of American RL. An Australian named David Niue was the guiding force. I think he worked at some kind of boys school and his tem from there the Glen Mills team ( I think it was called that) was one f the early powerhouse teams. He somehow managed to get another five or six teams playing and the AMNRL. This organisation and Niue ill always be known as the founders of US Rugby League.

The league was success and other teams joined but, from what I can gather, the AMNRL was run as a personal fiefdom by Mr Niue and there was no board or elected governing body with representation from the member clubs. Niue made all decisions on a take it or leave it, I'm in charge sort of way.

The new clubs entering or looking to enter the AMNRL didn't much care for this style of governance and broke away to form the USARL. This league became bigger with more clubs in particular the vey progressive Jacksonville Axmen and soon several AMNRL teams defected to join it. I think efforts were made to unite the two leagues but there were always roadblocks which prevented that.

The AMNRL continued to shrink and the USARL continued to grow with, this season I think, all remaining AMNRL teams either folding or moving to the USARL.

The AMNRL, by virtue of having been first on the scene had RLIF recognition as the governing body of American RL but were not members of the RLIF.

Now this moribund organisation has finally expired , it leaves the field open to the USARL to become the official governing body of American RL and apply for RLIF membership to enable the USA to enter he next world cup. This was a condition laid down by the Aussies who are organising the next tournament.

I think the USARL sent an unofficial rep side to play Jamaica this season, so they are obviously interested in participating in international games.

As I say, I may be wrong with a lot of that so I an very much open to correction.

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Why is this good, apart from the fact they can now be recognised?

 

Were the AMNRL bad for the game, are the USARL better? How?

The AMNRL could have been recognised, but they didn't even organise a league this year (and as far as I'm aware, still haven't made an announcement about it. 7 clubs left in 2011 to form the USARL and earlier this year another club left. There are another 4-5 clubs that wanted to defect this year but by the time it was clear the AMNRL weren't running a league this year, the USARL was just about to start.

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I think the USARL sent an unofficial rep side to play Jamaica this season, so they are obviously interested in participating in international games.

I believe that this was at roughly the same time as the AMNRL put out a team in Hawaii against a NSW select team and mostly selected Hawaiian union players as opposed to RL players.

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I will go out on a limb here and give you my version but I m very much open to correction from persons more in the know.

The AMNRL will always b known as the founding organisation of American RL. An Australian named David Niue was the guiding force. I think he worked at some kind of boys school and his tem from there the Glen Mills team ( I think it was called that) was one f the early powerhouse teams. He somehow managed to get another five or six teams playing and the AMNRL. This organisation and Niue ill always be known as the founders of US Rugby League.

The league was success and other teams joined but, from what I can gather, the AMNRL was run as a personal fiefdom by Mr Niue and there was no board or elected governing body with representation from the member clubs. Niue made all decisions on a take it or leave it, I'm in charge sort of way.

The new clubs entering or looking to enter the AMNRL didn't much care for this style of governance and broke away to form the USARL. This league became bigger with more clubs in particular the vey progressive Jacksonville Axmen and soon several AMNRL teams defected to join it. I think efforts were made to unite the two leagues but there were always roadblocks which prevented that.

The AMNRL continued to shrink and the USARL continued to grow with, this season I think, all remaining AMNRL teams either folding or moving to the USARL.

The AMNRL, by virtue of having been first on the scene had RLIF recognition as the governing body of American RL but were not members of the RLIF.

Now this moribund organisation has finally expired , it leaves the field open to the USARL to become the official governing body of American RL and apply for RLIF membership to enable the USA to enter he next world cup. This was a condition laid down by the Aussies who are organising the next tournament.

I think the USARL sent an unofficial rep side to play Jamaica this season, so they are obviously interested in participating in international games.

As I say, I may be wrong with a lot of that so I an very much open to correction.

Broadly speaking that's correct.

 

The AMNRL's parting shot is to claim that they were founding fathers of RL in the USA, but this isn't strictly true. Ignoring the bits and bobs in the 1950s and 70s the first fully fledged organisation was Super League America, led by the aforementioned David Niu. After their involvement in the 2000 Emerging Nations event a guy called Steve Gormley got involved, changed the name to USRL, and they received a £100,000 grant from the RFL. Gormley wanted to use British and Australian RL teams to promote the sport in the USA, Niu disagreed and broke away to form the AMNRL. All the clubs went with him, leaving Gormley with the name but no clubs. So there are long term signs of an ego driven man doing what he wanted, when he wanted.

 

Along the way, David Niu has alienated huge numbers of people - domestic players who paid their own way for internationals only to be replaced by antipodeans for the RLWC, Tomahawks 'selectors' picking only from their own clubs, even selling the AMNRL name and the club names and logos to a private company. There are a handful of acolytes who defended Niu to the bitter end, but with every passing season more and more people have walked away - some from the AMNRL, others from Rugby League completely.

 

The RLIF gave both organisations an opportunity to apply for recognition as the NGB. It should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed RL in the US to note that Niu and chums have strung this out as long as possible, only to make this announcement on the very deadline for that process.

 

Maybe now the game will be able to unite behind an elected, accountable leadership model and take RL forward.

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David Niu deserves recognition for getting the game off the ground in the USA. The way he went about running what he founded may have, in the end, been counterproductive and divisive, but he got a domestic competition started and we should never forget that.

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Right. Get them in the world cup now - no qualification - plenty of time to plan and promote

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Why is this good, apart from the fact they can now be recognised?

 

Were the AMNRL bad for the game, are the USARL better? How?

Others have covered the history pretty well. I'll add that for the last couple of years, the AMNRL has been a skeleton competition with only two strong clubs (New York Knights and Connecticut Wildcats, both of which were operated by personal friends of David Niu), and a couple of other teams that fluctuated in strength and would at times struggle to fulfill their fixtures. The whole thing was window dressing TBH because all the structure is with the USARL, it seemed like the AMNRL was continuing out of spite more than anything else. Niu and most of his acolytes actually left the sport last year before the World Cup, leaving an Australian named Steve Johnson in charge of the national team (you might remember him from the controversy around USA's squad selection for the World Cup). And since then the AMNRL has pretty much had no presence at all, in fact the guy who was named as the new leader of the AMNRL (Curtis Cunz) is actually playing for a USARL team this year. Now with the RLIF demanding proper membership it looks like they have finally admitted that they are incapable of running the sport in the USA, which means control of the national team will be handed over to the USARL and things can move forward.

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Latest up date in today's SMH:

 

 

Parramatta Eels star Joseph Paulo's role as US Tomahawks captain under threat as AMNRL bows out

 

 

 

The Rugby League International Federation has been asked to help ensure Parramatta star Joseph Paulo's position as USA Tomahawks captain does not come under threat and other NRL-based players are not excluded after the American National Rugby League decided to cede control of the game to the rival USA Rugby League.

The decision was made in a bid to end the civil war over the game in the US, which had resulted in the Tomahawks being the only team to make the quarter-finals at last year's World Cup not guaranteed entry to the 2017 tournament in Australia and New Zealand due to the split between the rival bodies.

The performance of the Tomahawks inspired The Wiggles to record the internet hit USA Tomahawks Shock The World, which called for "President Obama ... to carve the face of Joseph Paulo on Mt Rushmore".

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Stars in stripes: Joseph Paulo in action for the US during the Rugby League World Cup last year. Photo: Getty Images

But in a letter to RLIF chairman Nigel Wood, AMNRL chairman Robert Balachandran said his organisation had missed out on the opportunity to capitalise on the success of the Paulo-led Tomahawks at the World Cup as sponsors would not commit without a guarantee the team would feature on television coverage of the tournament.

The AMNRL has been losing ground domestically since several clubs broke away in 2011 to form the rebel USARL competition and Balachandran said his organisation – founded 18 years ago by former St George halfback David Niu – felt the move was the only way for the game to grow domestically and on the international stage.

Balachandran said he hoped the USARL would continue the development work of the AMNRL, which included a Test in Hawaii last month against Samoa and other matches featuring NSW Country and Hawaii.

He also asked for the RLIF to ensure Paulo remained as captain of the Tomahawks, and players such as Eels teammate Bureta Faraimo, Wests Tigers hooker Joel Luani, Newcastle forward Clint Newton and Wigan second-rower Eddy Pettybourne are considered for selection following criticism by USARL officials of the selection of heritage players in the World Cup squad.

The AMNRL also wants former Warriors, Panthers and Raiders coach Matthew Elliott to retain his position as head coach.

Other requests were for the annual Test against Samoa in Hawaii to continue, with the match tentatively set down for June 20 next year, and the remaining six AMNRL clubs to be accepted into the USARL competition.

"We started the game of rugby league in the USA as we loved the game and its cultural values and hoped other Americans would embrace it and it would grow to become a major sport," Balachandran said. "We are proud of all we have achieved from the day David Niu grabbed some mates and started to pass a ball around to now being a top-10 ranked nation.

"We don’t want to see the game held back as it is now because of the differences of the two groups. We want to see the game grow domestically and for the USA Tomahawks to remain a force on the world stage. We don't want to see petty jealousy impact on what we have achieved."

Balachandran said he hoped the pioneering work of Niu would one day be officially recognised by the RLIF.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/parramatta-eels-star-joseph-paulos-role-as-us-tomahawks-captain-under-threat-as-amnrl-bows-out-20140814-103zlz.html#ixzz3ARMnH519

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That sounds pretty desperate!

No offence to him, but that's not the RLIF's job! There were fundamentally wrong problems with the selection policy in USA last WC, so to request the status quo is laughable!

If the new selectors feel he should be captain, that is their choice. Not the RLIF's!

Also, I hope they change tier nickname now from that awful Tomahawks nickname!

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Latest up date in today's SMH:

 

 

Parramatta Eels star Joseph Paulo's role as US Tomahawks captain under threat as AMNRL bows out

 

 

 

The Rugby League International Federation has been asked to help ensure Parramatta star Joseph Paulo's position as USA Tomahawks captain does not come under threat and other NRL-based players are not excluded after the American National Rugby League decided to cede control of the game to the rival USA Rugby League.

The decision was made in a bid to end the civil war over the game in the US, which had resulted in the Tomahawks being the only team to make the quarter-finals at last year's World Cup not guaranteed entry to the 2017 tournament in Australia and New Zealand due to the split between the rival bodies.

The performance of the Tomahawks inspired The Wiggles to record the internet hit USA Tomahawks Shock The World, which called for "President Obama ... to carve the face of Joseph Paulo on Mt Rushmore".

1408015267824.jpg-300x0.jpg

Stars in stripes: Joseph Paulo in action for the US during the Rugby League World Cup last year. Photo: Getty Images

But in a letter to RLIF chairman Nigel Wood, AMNRL chairman Robert Balachandran said his organisation had missed out on the opportunity to capitalise on the success of the Paulo-led Tomahawks at the World Cup as sponsors would not commit without a guarantee the team would feature on television coverage of the tournament.

The AMNRL has been losing ground domestically since several clubs broke away in 2011 to form the rebel USARL competition and Balachandran said his organisation – founded 18 years ago by former St George halfback David Niu – felt the move was the only way for the game to grow domestically and on the international stage.

Balachandran said he hoped the USARL would continue the development work of the AMNRL, which included a Test in Hawaii last month against Samoa and other matches featuring NSW Country and Hawaii.

He also asked for the RLIF to ensure Paulo remained as captain of the Tomahawks, and players such as Eels teammate Bureta Faraimo, Wests Tigers hooker Joel Luani, Newcastle forward Clint Newton and Wigan second-rower Eddy Pettybourne are considered for selection following criticism by USARL officials of the selection of heritage players in the World Cup squad.

The AMNRL also wants former Warriors, Panthers and Raiders coach Matthew Elliott to retain his position as head coach.

Other requests were for the annual Test against Samoa in Hawaii to continue, with the match tentatively set down for June 20 next year, and the remaining six AMNRL clubs to be accepted into the USARL competition.

"We started the game of rugby league in the USA as we loved the game and its cultural values and hoped other Americans would embrace it and it would grow to become a major sport," Balachandran said. "We are proud of all we have achieved from the day David Niu grabbed some mates and started to pass a ball around to now being a top-10 ranked nation.

"We don’t want to see the game held back as it is now because of the differences of the two groups. We want to see the game grow domestically and for the USA Tomahawks to remain a force on the world stage. We don't want to see petty jealousy impact on what we have achieved."

Balachandran said he hoped the pioneering work of Niu would one day be officially recognised by the RLIF.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/parramatta-eels-star-joseph-paulos-role-as-us-tomahawks-captain-under-threat-as-amnrl-bows-out-20140814-103zlz.html#ixzz3ARMnH519

The USARL can choose who they want to be captain and team members .. ...

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Balachandran's another one of Niu's buddies. Like his 'dear leader' he is also full of BS.

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Schedule a game Vs Canada at the end of the season and see how many of that team show up.. I reckon a few might be missing. What a ridiculous request to make, and one the International board has no control over.

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David Niu deserves recognition for getting the game off the ground in the USA. The way he went about running what he founded may have, in the end, been counterproductive and divisive, but he got a domestic competition started and we should never forget that.

David Niu deserves recognition as one of the founders of the game in the USA.  He has received recognition as the founder and still is concerned with getting more.

 

The AmNRL announced their all time top XIII straight after the split.  One of the players in that had retired from playing and was a ref.  He mainly did AmNRL, but as soon as he did a USARL game, he was replaced from the All-TIme XIII.  Now the man who rubbed a player out of the all time XIII is complaing he is not being given recognition.

 

What we have to accept is that many RL organisations in new countries are founded because of a huge ego.  In the short term, it is the most effective way as it becomes hugely personal to the founder.  It is only when it is a success that it can become a problem.

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AMNRL slam RLIF about American split

The AMNRL has written an angrily worded letter to the RLIF, clarifying its decision to fold and allow the split within American rugby league to heal.

There has been a long-running split within the American game, which revolved mainly around the way in which the international team, the USA Tomahawks, were run.

The USARL is the governing body which was set up in opposition to the AMNRL in 2011. The split between the two groups became acute following last year's Rugby League World Cup in the UK.

The decision of the AMNRL to select 'heritage' players to the exclusion of many domestcially based players angered the USARL.

Now the AMNRL has written to RLIF chairman Nigel Wood offering its point of view on the matter, as well as confirming its decision to dissolve itself.

Tellingly, it makes a pointed comment about the lack of support it received from the RLIF.

The letter, signed by AMNRL chairman Robert Balachandran reads:

"The AMNRL have, as we have said many times, no wish for the division of the game in the USA to continue. We have tried many times to find some common ground with the USARL but unfortunately to no avail.

"The AMNRL received little support from the RLIF in our attempts to unify the game domestically while the USARL maintained an active campaign to undermine the AMNRL in the media, particularly social media.

"The AMNRL last season selected the national team on a “best available eligible” player basis as a goodwill unification gesture and agreed to the creation of an independent commission this year (that the USARL was part of then reneged).

"The AMNRL put up a model to the RLIF this year which included the creation of a new National Governing Body and the granting of a licence to the USARL to conduct the domestic competition.

"The AMNRL model would have seen it continuing to fund and conduct the successful international and overseas development programs and work with the USARL on grass root development.

"The difficulty in the USA is, we see no indication from the USARL that it has any desire to be part of a shared undertaking moving forward. If we were to succeed with an application no doubt the USARL would still seek to conduct a competition away from us leaving us to either injunct them from playing or leave this gaping wound open and festering.

"In the end, the game and importantly the players will suffer.

"The six AMNRL Clubs (which arguably housed about 70% of the best domestic players in the USA) didn’t play competitively this season.

"They would have had the RLIF supported us."

The letter goes on to bemoan the decision to compel the USA Tomahawks to qualify for the next World Cup, rather than awarding them an automatic spot.

"We are proud of all we have achieved from the day David Niu grabbed some mates and started to pass a ball around to now being a top-10 ranked nation," it adds.

"We don’t want to see the game held back as it is now because of the differences of the two groups.

"We want to see the game grow domestically and for the USA Tomahawks to remain a force on the world stage.

"We don’t want to see petty jealousy impact on what we have achieved.

"We don’t want to see what just occurred in the Canadian match, where a very inexperienced Tomahawks team were cannon-fodder, be repeated.

"We played that game, a 52-14 loss, despite major reservations because of its financial importance to the Canadian Rugby League.

"If we were selfish we would have cancelled.

"If the RLIF valued our work and recognised the job we have done for the world game with the USA Tomahawks it would have supported our request in May for the AMNRL to restructure into the not for profit Rugby League Federation of America Limited with its “best governance” model supported by advisory boards comprised of good rugby league people.

"As we detailed in the previous submission to you this model would have ensured the best from both groups:

-The “whole of game” focussed AMNRL; and
-The “club focussed” USARL

"If the RLIF respected us it would have also given us the pre-qualification for the World Cup we earned in 2013 instead of finding a way to take that honour from us as it did.

"This was our one shot at finally getting a valuable sponsor in the USA but our leads from our World Cup success weren’t interested without a guarantee of television at the next World Cup.

"As we obviously don’t have the confidence of the RLIF moving forward we think it best if we do not lodge an application.

"Through us declining to apply, the split is healed."

The AMNRL do make certain requests about how the game continues to be administered in the United States.

These are:

"We ask that the RLIF at least encourages the USARL to repay this act of best faith by acting fairly in the future and not abandoning the successful international program.

"These are six requests we feel are fair for us deciding not to apply:

"1 All "AMNRL" clubs will be afforded the opportunity to enter teams into the domestic competition in 2015 provided they meet the competition guidelines;

"2 The "AMNRL" clubs applications will be treated fairly and no differently to any USARL club application;

"3 The USA Tomahawks program will be continued including the annual test to be played against Samoa in Hawaii. This test can be continue to funded and organised by the Hawaiian Rugby League and is tentatively set for June 20 next year;

"4 The USA Tomahawks will be selected on a "best available eligible player" basis. In particular the "heritage" players will not be specifically excluded from selection as has been suggested by the USARL.

"5 Joseph Paulo will remain captain of the USA Tomahawks (if fit and permitted by his club to play for the USA) and in his absence Michael Garvey (if fit and form warrants selection); 

"6 Matthew Elliott will be given first offer to coach the USA Tomahawks in any matches including qualifiers for the 2017 RLWC."

The letter concludes with a statement about how sad the situation has become:

"This is a sad day for those of us who have given 18 years of our lives to get the game to where it is today but one group has to step away for the good of the game."

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