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Whilst zapping between France 24, Al Jazeera etc I came across these satellite channels using TV to peddle their brand of bizarre fundamentalist religion. 

 

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You see loads of banners round Bradford advertising such channels.

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Whilst zapping between France 24, Al Jazeera etc I came across these satellite channels using TV to peddle their brand of bizarre fundamentalist religion. 

 

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Yes, be very afraid...

Although, when they were young, I used to punish the kids with these channels if they were behaving badly. 10 seconds of these fundie nutcases would bring them to heel.

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Yes, be very afraid...

Although, when they were young, I used to punish the kids with these channels if they were behaving badly. 10 seconds of these fundie nutcases would bring them to heel.

I remember my stepdad insisting I could watch whatever I want so I put one if the evangelical Christian channels on and him getting really annoyed after 10 minutes but pretending I really wanted to watch it.

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Whilst zapping between France 24, Al Jazeera etc I came across these satellite channels using TV to peddle their brand of bizarre fundamentalist religion. 

 

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And you were watching Al Jezeera?  You do know of that channel's roots don't you?

 

Some of those channels are a bit whacky but they're generally harmless.  American Christians are very expansive, just as Americans are generally, when compared with the bottled up, stiff upper lip types in Britain.  If you've experienced American Christianity first hand, as I have, you will also know that they can be among the kindest, most genuine people on earth, so before mocking them just consider that you may be speaking from ignorance.

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And you were watching Al Jezeera?  You do know of that channel's roots don't you?

 

Some of those channels are a bit whacky but they're generally harmless.  American Christians are very expansive, just as Americans are generally, when compared with the bottled up, stiff upper lip types in Britain.  If you've experienced American Christianity first hand, as I have, you will also know that they can be among the kindest, most genuine people on earth, so before mocking them just consider that you may be speaking from ignorance.

 

Some are a bit wacky, most are harmless....

 

But some aren't, from promoting hatred to teaching creationism.

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And you were watching Al Jezeera?  You do know of that channel's roots don't you?

 

Some of those channels are a bit whacky but they're generally harmless.  American Christians are very expansive, just as Americans are generally, when compared with the bottled up, stiff upper lip types in Britain.  If you've experienced American Christianity first hand, as I have, you will also know that they can be among the kindest, most genuine people on earth, so before mocking them just consider that you may be speaking from ignorance.

 

Speaking from ignorance - no

- my sister is an ordained minister

- ten years plus, working for two US corporations, still working with people from the US, plus a number of visits there)

- a former colleague and close friend now in a monastery near Seattle

- It's true that Americans can be amongst  the kindest, most genuine people on earth,  but that is nothing to do with Christianity.

 

 Al Jazeera  

- yes, of course

 - also watch France24, RT and the BBC etc and we all know about their agendas

 

Whacky  

- yes

 

Mocking them

- no, as they are self-mocking

 

Harmless

- no

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Beaming this nonsense into our homes, even if you come across it accidentally, is still offensive to rational people. There should at least be an advisory notice on the screen.

 

These channels are   even more evidence that the West's response to the Islamic onslaught is more of the same , not less.   Christianity is not the answer, it is not the opposite of  Islam.

 

They are both wrong.

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And you were watching Al Jezeera?  You do know of that channel's roots don't you?

 

Some of those channels are a bit whacky but they're generally harmless.  American Christians are very expansive, just as Americans are generally, when compared with the bottled up, stiff upper lip types in Britain.  If you've experienced American Christianity first hand, as I have, you will also know that they can be among the kindest, most genuine people on earth, so before mocking them just consider that you may be speaking from ignorance.

American evangelical christianity has huge wealth and power and is very influential politically with its ultra right wing views. Even Obama is a professed Christian, and there has never been a US president who wasn't overtly Christian and there has never been one of another faith. If people find something ridiculous such as believing in fairy stories, hypocrisy-remember Jimmy Swaggart(and many more)? Then they have the right to ridicule it. Religion, whatever the religion is a legitimate target. Religion whatever the religion is ask to be feared because of the power and influence it wields outside of democracy.  Oh and doesn't god hate fags?

edit: Those 'kind and genuine people' would deny the right of a woman to choose, amongst other despicable things.

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You will be pleased to know channel 596 is broken.

Why doesn't God fix it?

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Why doesn't God fix it?

hes had to send off for a part

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Why does being anti abortion make you despicable? I am quite strongly anti abortion but its nothing to do with religion.

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Why doesn't God fix it?

 

God could if somebody would answer a phone or email. :D

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Why does being anti abortion make you despicable? I am quite strongly anti abortion but its nothing to do with religion.

it isn't.

Nobody is 'pro abortion'. terminating a pregnancy must be a desperately sad experience.

 

What is despicable is to deny the right of a woman to choose.

 

edit: would you have denied this woman a termination?

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/14/ireland-woman-dies-after-abortion-refusal

 

 

what about rape victims?

 

 

the termination of a pregnancy is something that should never be taken lightly, and the law should be clear, but to deny a woman the right to decide to me is despicable. To you it isn't. That's fine.

 

Evangelical christian groups of which the ones on John M's list seem to be the only members have a lll sorts of ideas

they're big on homophobia for instance.

But the main thing is their enormous political lobbying power and wealth.

and yes the same goes for other religions as well, it's just that these ridiculous…IMHO, tv channels are the ones that John has come across.

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I didn't say I am opposed to abortion under any circumstances, so there will be cases where it is an option. Its just way too casual now and not like they claimed at the time of legalisation.

And why does the matter hinge on whether a woman feels a certain way? Can all our decisions be justified as long as its 'our body' that decides?

And whilst for most, abortion is a traumatic issue, the number of multiple abortions suggest its not quite as you say.

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I didn't say I am opposed to abortion under any circumstances, so there will be cases where it is an option. Its just way too casual now and not like they claimed at the time of legalisation.

And why does the matter hinge on whether a woman feels a certain way? Can all our decisions be justified as long as its 'our body' that decides?

And whilst for most, abortion is a traumatic issue, the number of multiple abortions suggest its not quite as you say.

you said you were "quite strongly anti abortion". It sounds pretty emphatic. But anyway that's up to you. 

 

I'm not pro abortion, because the circumstances surrounding these sad events are invariably desperate and often tragic. I think it is despicable that women should be denied the right to choose.

 

It is rather more than what a woman 'feels'. No all our decisions can't be decided on the basis of it's 'our body that decides'. I'm not sure where that came from. 

Suggest you start a thread on the topic. 

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American evangelical christianity has huge wealth and power and is very influential politically with its ultra right wing views. Even Obama is a professed Christian, and there has never been a US president who wasn't overtly Christian and there has never been one of another faith. If people find something ridiculous such as believing in fairy stories, hypocrisy-remember Jimmy Swaggart(and many more)? Then they have the right to ridicule it. Religion, whatever the religion is a legitimate target. Religion whatever the religion is ask to be feared because of the power and influence it wields outside of democracy.  Oh and doesn't god hate fags?

edit: Those 'kind and genuine people' would deny the right of a woman to choose, amongst other despicable things.

Jimmy Swaggart was a conman.  Trusting individuals fooled by conmen is not an experience unique to faith as you will know if you even give cursory attention to the news.  Likewise, conmen infiltrating areas of life where trusting individuals exist is not unique to faith either. 

 

Why do you think people of faith are legitimate targets for ridicule?  Is it just towards people of faith that you are prejudiced or do you feel prejudice towards others whose life choices differ from your own?   

 

I am a woman and I don't consider people who are opposed to abortion as denying my right to choose because aside from anything else those whose conscience cannot agree to abortion realise that there are more than one person involved in the decision.  Me getting pregnant involves me and one other.  Once I'm pregnant, there are three of us involved.  All three people involved in pregnancy deserve equal consideration and have equal value.  I think some of the methods used by some who are against abortion are questionable or in some cases downright wrong but their position is perfectly valid and is needed within society as a balance.

 

Undoubtedly the evangelical Christian movement in the USA is powerful, although so are many interest groups in the USA.  Their whole political system is built upon checks and balances, and that includes the interplay between the various lobby groups.  I've worked within the American political system and so I know how it works.  However, ordinary evangelical Christians living out their ordinary lives are mostly harmless individuals who authentically believe what they believe and seek to live by the principles of their faith.  I have great respect for anyone who can do that. 

 

Does god hate fags?  I don't know.  Maybe he prefers cigars?

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Jimmy Swaggart was a conman.  Trusting individuals fooled by conmen is not an experience unique to faith as you will know if you even give cursory attention to the news.  Likewise, conmen infiltrating areas of life where trusting individuals exist is not unique to faith either. 

 

Why do you think people of faith are legitimate targets for ridicule?  Is it just towards people of faith that you are prejudiced or do you feel prejudice towards others whose life choices differ from your own?   

 

I am a woman and I don't consider people who are opposed to abortion as denying my right to choose because aside from anything else those whose conscience cannot agree to abortion realise that there are more than one person involved in the decision.  Me getting pregnant involves me and one other.  Once I'm pregnant, there are three of us involved.  All three people involved in pregnancy deserve equal consideration and have equal value.  I think some of the methods used by some who are against abortion are questionable or in some cases downright wrong but their position is perfectly valid and is needed within society as a balance.

 

Undoubtedly the evangelical Christian movement in the USA is powerful, although so are many interest groups in the USA.  Their whole political system is built upon checks and balances, and that includes the interplay between the various lobby groups.  I've worked within the American political system and so I know how it works.  However, ordinary evangelical Christians living out their ordinary lives are mostly harmless individuals who authentically believe what they believe and seek to live by the principles of their faith.  I have great respect for anyone who can do that. 

 

Does god hate fags?  I don't know.  Maybe he prefers cigars?

I don't think people of faith should be the target for ridicule. Although I object to people using that faith whatever it is to impose it on others. You haven't read what I wrote. If people want to believe in fairy tales it's their choice, but they shouldn't be allowed to impose that faith on others.

 

three people are involved in a pregnancy, but the woman is bearing the child in  her body, and there is debate about when a zygote becomes a person.

 

When you talk about people living by the principles of their faith do you include Islamic State? The people who's Christian faith dictates that 'god hates fags' something you dismissed with a feeble joke? Do you respect say the orthodox jews who's principles of faith make women second class citizens? 

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Speaking from ignorance - no

- my sister is an ordained minister

- ten years plus, working for two US corporations, still working with people from the US, plus a number of visits there)

- a former colleague and close friend now in a monastery near Seattle

- It's true that Americans can be amongst  the kindest, most genuine people on earth,  but that is nothing to do with Christianity.

 

My Dad was an ordained C of E clergyman before he retired, so what?

Two years living in the States thanks to an American boyfriend, making friends, living my daily life there, working within the American political system.

And while Americans can be among the kindest, most genuine people on earth, they will make it quite clear that Christianity has a lot to do with it because Americans are not shy of proclaiming their faith.  If you have spent time over there you will know that for a fact.  An evangelical Christian will very naturally account all their good actions and the direction of their lives to God.

 

 

 Al Jazeera  

- yes, of course

 - also watch France24, RT and the BBC etc and we all know about their agendas

 

Al Jazeera's agenda was (and maybe still is, but who is looking?) terrorism.  I hardly think a view equating them to the BBC can be taken seriously!  I still don't watch Al Jazeera on principle.

 

 

Whacky  

- yes

 

Mocking them

- no, as they are self-mocking

 

Harmless

- no

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Why don't you think they are harmless?  I can't see any cynical Brit taking them seriously never mind being in any kind of danger from them. 

 

 

Beaming this nonsense into our homes, even if you come across it accidentally, is still offensive to rational people. There should at least be an advisory notice on the screen.

 

:biggrin:  I assume you were attempting humour there yes?  The bit about the advisory I mean.  I don't think they're offensive at all myself.  But they do appear to be a bit OTT, but then Americans often are a bit OTT when compared to us Brits.

 

 

These channels are   even more evidence that the West's response to the Islamic onslaught is more of the same , not less.   Christianity is not the answer, it is not the opposite of  Islam.

 

What are you on about?  Those channels have been going decades, long before they appeared on our screens, back in the days when Islam was only ever really discussed at theological colleges.

 

 

They are both wrong.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  Those who hold different opinions on the matter are also entitled to hold theirs.  If you want respect for yours then you need to show respect for theirs.

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You really think Al Jazeera is a terrorists channel???

She probably thinks Al Jarreau is a terrorist!

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Laisterdyke Business and Enterprise College is actually a state school in Bradford.

 

 

Independent:June 2014

 

'Teachers at a school in Bradford were suspended after a battle with governors who wanted to model the college on the academy at the centre of the “Trojan Horse” plot in Birmingham, The Independent can reveal.

Jennifer McIntosh, principal at Laisterdyke Business and Enterprise College, has faced attempts to oust her and her deputy amid fears that hardline Muslims were promoting an Islamic agenda at the secular school.

It is understood that there was a battle at the school between staff and governors over paying Tahir Alam, chair of governors at Park View Academy in Birmingham, to provide governance training at the Bradford college.'

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/trojan-horse-row-teachers-suspended-for-refusing-to-impose-strict-islamic-model-9530535.html

 

 

Today: Bradord Telegraph & Argus

 

'THE head of a Bradford school has called for GCSE exams to be re-marked after results showed that just one per cent of pupils got C or above in their English writing, despite 52 per cent of the same pupils making the grade in reading.

Jen McIntosh, head of Laisterdyke Business and Enterprise College, has called the results a "major discrepancy."

 

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11431788.Head_of_Bradford_school_calls_for_GCSE_re_marking_after___39_major_discrepancy__39__in_English_results/?ref=var_0

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