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So based on the theory that was applied for the semis that was heavily supported by many in the game and in this forum - when are we moving the final to a smaller venue so it looks good on telly?

The official attendance figure is embarrassing - there were barely 60000 there yesterday. Both live and on TV it didn't look great and became a big talking point for the people I was with.

The way in which they are distributed and sold needs a complete rethink.

Empty Club Wembley seats don't help but it's a much bigger issue than that.

One solution would be more realistic pricing - especially in the upper tiers.

It looked a very expensive day out for some families yesterday.

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2 weeks is much too short for most neutrals (other than those who go every year) to decide to attend. Unless you had 2 big supported sides you will most likely struggle to fill the place. A bigger gap and a better advertising push to the maybes and locals is needed.

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2 weeks is much too short for most neutrals (other than those who go every year) to decide to attend. Unless you had 2 big supported sides you will most likely struggle to fill the place. A bigger gap and a better advertising push to the maybes and locals is needed.

 

This. As a neutral, I would have quite fancied going, and talked about it after the Castleford semi - final win. However, two weeks wasn't enough time to get myself organised, persuade someone to go with me and then begin the booking and travel arrangements. A bigger gap needed between semi and final.

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Agreed, and as the Cup is due to be rescheduled, I hope a longer gap will be opened up between semifinal and final. A longer lead-in means that cheaper rail tickets can be booked, for a start.

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Official attendance was stated as 78,000+ and no way was that many in there. Between 60-65k would be my guess. Very few neutrals in attendance this year. Hardly any it seemed.

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Official attendance was stated as 78,000+ and no way was that many in there. Between 60-65k would be my guess. Very few neutrals in attendance this year. Hardly any it seemed.

Year on year there seems to be fewer neutrals in attendance. Notably fewer non Super League shirts particularly.

Apart from a few Underbank fans in front of us I didnt notice any lower league attire at all. Fair few old style Broncos shirts on show mind.

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There are lots of things that could be done differently, but essentially, the only people who can make a real difference to the empty seats problem at Wembley are those sat at home complaining about them every year.

If you don't normally go, start planning your trip to next year's final right now, and make the difference in reducing the numbers of empty seats yourself. There's loads of time to save up, loads of time to persuade others to join you, you'll get to pick where you want to sit and how much you want to pay (you'll get some good early bird deals as well) and you'll have a great day out at one of our sport's biggest and best showpiece events. Even getting there and back doesn't have to prove that big a deal if you plan it early enough.

I'm not lecturing people from the position of having a media freebie here either. I bought and paid for my own tickets (got £32 tix for £22 on one of the RFL offers several months ago), drove myself and friends down there early yesterday morning, sharing the £40 worth of petrol it cost between 3 of us, took sandwiches to save on food costs, parked up at Hillingdon tube station which cost £2 all day, 23 minute direct tube ride to Wembley Park and there you are. Gentle stroll down Wembley Way enjoying the sights and sounds of Cup Final day and bumping into a few old friends along the way, then into the stadium to watch the curtain raiser with a bucket of tea that cost £2.

There's even now a decent shopping mall right next door to the stadium, with lots of food outlets, even a cinema, for something to do after the game without trekking into Central London.

The Cup Final is what we as Rugby League fans make it. The game itself is almost incidental to that. Some years it will be great, others it might be a bit average, but you can have a great day out at the Cup Final regardless. The players provide the main event, but the fans can lift them to greater heights as well.

So basically what I'm saying is: don't waste energy complaining about empty seats at showpiece events like Wembley, or finding reasons not to go (there will always be reasons not to go if you look hard enough to find them regardless of anything the RFL may or may not do to market it) and don't wait to see which teams get there before deciding to go. Commit yourself to the project now, make sure at the very least your own bum is filling a seat next year, then we'll all have less to complain or fret about when the official attendance is announced.

And the more non-Club Wembley seats we fill between us, the more exciting and unmissable an event our Cup Final will start to appear to those who have, but currently choose not to use, their Club Wembley seats on RL Cup Final day.

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When you have the likes of Phil Clark saying lower division clubs shouldn't be allowed to play the big teams in the cup why should the fans be interested in the final. I went to the Hunslet game on Friday and came home

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I there and saw quite a few lower league shirts, Bulldogs (quite a few) ,Rams same quite a few, whitehaven,cougars,leigh,hunslet,coventry bears( did travel on the coach with them), new ravens, northampton,telford,hull wyke, dewsbury moor , what i did notice was lack of other SL shirts floating about as in only saw one wigan shirt and that was at hanger lane on way back out of london. I go every year whatever teams are there, its a tradition now . Only thing i do different now is don't go for the weekend with only been a couple of hours away by train or coach. I took a newbie to the game yesterday and  he was very impressed with the game and the atmosphere and first time he has walked up wembley way and seen different generations of people and so many different teams shirts having friendly banter with each other , as he is a wendyball supporter and used to been herded up wembley way

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I watched in a pub in Leeds (I support neither club so had no overwhelming compulsion to travel down to London) but what was notable was the large number of replica-shirt wearing Rhinos fans who'd obviously made a conscious decision to 'support' their team in the the pub rather than travel to Wembley.

The scheduling obviously acts as a real barrier but supporter apathy is just as big a problem.

With two well supported clubs like Leeds and Cas making the final, there shouldn't really be such a reliance on neutrals attending.

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The challenge cup and Grand Final are to close together and the RFL have diluted the challenge cup to make the Grand final the pinnacle game of the season. Probably a rethink on when the challenge cup is played could help.

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The challenge cup and Grand Final are to close together and the RFL have diluted the challenge cup to make the Grand final the pinnacle game of the season. Probably a rethink on when the challenge cup is played could help.

To be fair, the RFL is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't, over this one. Ever since the game moved to summer the problem has been do we 'keep' the game in May which means starting the rounds in pre-season, or do we 'keep' the final at the end of the season and clash with the play-offs. We need the judgement of Soloman for this one - and I don't think he's on the RFL payroll.

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There are lots of things that could be done differently, but essentially, the only people who can make a real difference to the empty seats problem at Wembley are those sat at home complaining about them every year.

If you don't normally go, start planning your trip to next year's final right now, and make the difference in reducing the numbers of empty seats yourself. There's loads of time to save up, loads of time to persuade others to join you, you'll get to pick where you want to sit and how much you want to pay (you'll get some good early bird deals as well) and you'll have a great day out at one of our sport's biggest and best showpiece events. Even getting there and back doesn't have to prove that big a deal if you plan it early enough.

I'm not lecturing people from the position of having a media freebie here either. I bought and paid for my own tickets (got £32 tix for £22 on one of the RFL offers several months ago), drove myself and friends down there early yesterday morning, sharing the £40 worth of petrol it cost between 3 of us, took sandwiches to save on food costs, parked up at Hillingdon tube station which cost £2 all day, 23 minute direct tube ride to Wembley Park and there you are. Gentle stroll down Wembley Way enjoying the sights and sounds of Cup Final day and bumping into a few old friends along the way, then into the stadium to watch the curtain raiser with a bucket of tea that cost £2.

There's even now a decent shopping mall right next door to the stadium, with lots of food outlets, even a cinema, for something to do after the game without trekking into Central London.

The Cup Final is what we as Rugby League fans make it. The game itself is almost incidental to that. Some years it will be great, others it might be a bit average, but you can have a great day out at the Cup Final regardless. The players provide the main event, but the fans can lift them to greater heights as well.

So basically what I'm saying is: don't waste energy complaining about empty seats at showpiece events like Wembley, or finding reasons not to go (there will always be reasons not to go if you look hard enough to find them regardless of anything the RFL may or may not do to market it) and don't wait to see which teams get there before deciding to go. Commit yourself to the project now, make sure at the very least your own bum is filling a seat next year, then we'll all have less to complain or fret about when the official attendance is announced.

And the more non-Club Wembley seats we fill between us, the more exciting and unmissable an event our Cup Final will start to appear to those who have, but currently choose not to use, their Club Wembley seats on RL Cup Final day.

This might help - not simple though - CC final still on August Bank holiday Saturday...

The 2015 Challenge Cup will be aligned to the new competition structure with the main change being that the eight clubs contesting the Super League play-offs in 2014 (and Super 8s from 2015 onwards) will enter the Challenge Cup at the sixth round stage.

The 14 League 1 teams will enter at the third round stage, joining the 10 survivors from the 40 clubs invited to participate from the first round (12 ties)

The 12 Championship clubs will then enter in Round 4, joining the 12 third round winners (12 ties).

The bottom four Super League teams enter in Round 5, joining the 12 fourth round winners (eight ties).

The top eight Super League teams enter in Round 6, joining the eight fifth round winners (eight ties)

The sixth round is followed by the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final at Wembley Stadium.

The 2015 Challenge Cup final will be played on the Saturday of the August Bank Holiday weekend.

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Do supporters of super league clubs now choose the catalans trip over Wembley?

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It very much feels like it is going through the motions at the moment. The target has to be to get 10-15k booking earlier in the year to give it any chance of selling out. Ideally, the majority of these could be people within commuting distance of the venue.

 

I'm no expert but perhaps a big pre-match show or something that gives neutrals and occasional ticket buyers a big day out experience. Market it hard to get those early sales to newbies and occasionals - not just rounds of emails to the same old faces.

 

What would we have been looking at had Catalans got to Wembley this year? I was there in 2007 (Catalans v Saints) and it was pretty obvious then that a majority of fans had pre-booked tickets because it was the first year back at Wembley etc. We need to find that big game audience again. Clubs taking 10-20k each are still doing their part.

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To be fair, the RFL is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't, over this one. Ever since the game moved to summer the problem has been do we 'keep' the game in May which means starting the rounds in pre-season, or do we 'keep' the final at the end of the season and clash with the play-offs. We need the judgement of Soloman for this one - and I don't think he's on the RFL payroll.

 

To be fair, the RFL is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't,

 

Nope, just damned..on this as on everything else   The Cup Final is on the wrong date at the wrong stadium at the wrong price and probably at the wrong time, too. Lance Todd is  wrong, attendance is wrong, BBC coverage is wrong, even implications that SuperLeague fans are not interested because it seems , they don't wear replica shirts or prefer a trip to Manchester or France...etc etc etc etc...though to be fair, no one has yet blamed Maurice Lindsay. Give 'em time..give 'em time.

 

John Drakes post is spot on.  and remember, something like 62,000 people still think enough of it to buy tickets and go to the game.

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I've a solution which I'm sure will be shot down as I'd follow the rah rah way of doing things for issues such as Wembley.

 

Every professional and amateur (including the lowest solcial club that exists) Rugby Union club is given a minimum allocation of tickets for the Six nations. The money for these tickets is taken from the clubs bank accounts at least a month prior to the first game. It's a mandotary thing, if the union club does not provide the money / sell the tickets then they lose certain RFU privilages including gaining tickets for future events.

 

If RL ran a similar system then the entire RL community would be responsible for filling the Stadium. Below is what I would have as a mandatory requirement to be part of the RFL.

 

- Every club sent tickets a % below their face value.

- Every club would have the monies taken for the tickets a month prior to the event.

 

E.G

 

- Every amateur club would have 10 tickets for the CC final (500 clubs? As i've no Idea) - 5000 tickets sold

- Every Champ 1 club would be provided with 100 tickets - 1400 tickets sold

- Every Camp club would be provided with 150 tickets - 1500 sold

- Every SL club to be provided with 300 tickets - 3600 sold

- Each finalist given 15000 tickets - 30,000 sold

- RFL to sell 25000 tickets

- Club Wembey 17000 tickets sold no matter

 

Crowd 83,000

 

If the RFL knows it has a guarenteed income of X amount from the mandatory membership agreement they will have a budget to work with in regards to marketing and maybe putting on a show.

 

If an SL club does not sell all of their 300 tickets it doesn't matter as the seat is paid for and the income a certainty. If the RFL can't sell 25,000 tickets over a year to their show piece event them the head of marketing needs to be sacked. If an amateur club can't sell 10 CC final tickets them they also don't derserve to be part of the sport imo, it's a one in all in senario.

 

I know most won't like this idea and I know it's a rough plan but the gist is there and every club would actively market the final. in some way.

 

A few years down the line I believe you'd see full houses and people clambering to get tickets from their nominated clubs.

 

I'd also do something similar for home internationals.

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I've a solution which I'm sure will be shot down as I'd follow the rah rah way of doing things for issues such as Wembley.

 

Every professional and amateur (including the lowest solcial club that exists) Rugby Union club is given a minimum allocation of tickets for the Six nations. The money for these tickets is taken from the clubs bank accounts at least a month prior to the first game. It's a mandotary thing, if the union club does not provide the money / sell the tickets then they lose certain RFU privilages including gaining tickets for future events.

 

If RL ran a similar system then the entire RL community would be responsible for filling the Stadium. Below is what I would have as a mandatory requirement to be part of the RFL.

 

- Every club sent tickets a % below their face value.

- Every club would have the monies taken for the tickets a month prior to the event.

 

E.G

 

- Every amateur club would have 10 tickets for the CC final (500 clubs? As i've no Idea) - 5000 tickets sold

- Every Champ 1 club would be provided with 100 tickets - 1400 tickets sold

- Every Camp club would be provided with 150 tickets - 1500 sold

- Every SL club to be provided with 300 tickets - 3600 sold

- Each finalist given 15000 tickets - 30,000 sold

- RFL to sell 25000 tickets

- Club Wembey 17000 tickets sold no matter

 

Crowd 83,000

 

If the RFL knows it has a guarenteed income of X amount from the mandatory membership agreement they will have a budget to work with in regards to marketing and maybe putting on a show.

 

If an SL club does not sell all of their 300 tickets it doesn't matter as the seat is paid for and the income a certainty. If the RFL can't sell 25,000 tickets over a year to their show piece event them the head of marketing needs to be sacked. If an amateur club can't sell 10 CC final tickets them they also don't derserve to be part of the sport imo, it's a one in all in senario.

 

I know most won't like this idea and I know it's a rough plan but the gist is there and every club would actively market the final. in some way.

 

A few years down the line I believe you'd see full houses and people clambering to get tickets from their nominated clubs.

 

I'd also do something similar for home internationals.

 

Something similar already exists, as all pro/semi-pro clubs have to buy a number of tickets to sell-on as a condition of their entry to the challenge cup. I know that a few Ch. Clubs struggled to sell their allocation this year.

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I was there yesterday and was disappointed with the amount of empty seats. Far more at the Cas end than the Leeds end, which whilst might be to be expected due to the relative size of support, i'd have thought Cas end would have been equally as packed given the paucity of success/opportunities to get to finals.

 

The Club Wembley sector is a joke, i understand that this runs until 2017. I would have loved to buy tickets in this area, as i had for the World Cup, but couldn't. That said, I don't think opening up Club Wembley will make any difference to the overall attendance, but it will make it look better on tv

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Waiting for this thread to come up, could it be to quote Maurice Lindsay "the love affair with Wembley is over". You can choose a reason for the low crowd

  • Full Soccer Programme and Cricket's T20 Finals day in opposition
  • Music Festival in Leeds so I'm told
  • August Bank holiday is the last full week of the School holidays and where Parents can get 5 days off for 4 days annual leave so that's when they go
  • General disillusion with League amongst once hardcore fans

Certainly the number of neutrals was radically reduced and I do not think that has anything to do with pricing or whose playing because I like many others I suspect do buy early because it is a Rugby League event and IMO the Rugby League event

 

I remember telling "Dally Messenger" when he was over for the St Helens v Catalans Final that the Challenge Cup Final unlike the Grand Final was a celebration of the game of Rugby League. The tradition of the people's cup final is the ONLY thing about northern hemisphere league they envy down under. However like much else under the misrule of the Wood, Barwick, Hetherington Axis it's lost its mojo

 

It was announced as August 29th 2015 and there will be a 25% discount beginning Tuesday IIRC, I actually think the discounts are the problem as with everything else League, where the game gives itself the "ratners" effect. The same posters that beef about ticket prices will merrily pay Soccer Premiership prices (and whisper it Aviva Premiership prices) , Cheerfully sink many pints in the bar beforehand but for League wail that prices are too high. It's a legacy of the world cup, not that I blame Sally Bolton - she had a brief and executed it - but the legacy was then those who like me paid discounted prices still felt robbed when folk come up to you at the Headingly bus stop and tel you they paid only a Fiver to get in. As I have found out on e-bay the more you discount the less value people place on the item wheras if you raise the price then because its more expensive people value it more. I am not suggesting charging the ridiculous prices seen in other sport but I do advocate charging the market rate for the product which in this case is Rugby League.

 

In league you get discount, after discount, after discount. What that encourages is punters to put off buying tickets and the longer people put off buying tickets in the hope of a further discount the more it becomes likely that they will find something else to do on the day. I am going to be at the three NFL games at Wembley and I can tell you this, they will sell out, people will pack the full whack, and pre-game it will be an "event". If the NFL can sell out three events for a imported sport why cannot the RFL do this for the one event?

 

We need to restore the games heritage and make the Challenge Cup final the event for all Rugby League fans, it always was up until recently.

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