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Labour leadership contest

Which of the candidates would make you more likely to vote Labour if they win the leadership?  

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  1. 1. Which of the candidates would make you more likely to vote Labour if they win the leadership?

    • Andy Burnham
      13
    • Yvette Cooper
      13
    • Jeremy Corbyn
      14
    • Liz Kendall
      7
    • I would never vote Labour
      8
  2. 2. Did you vote Labour in the 2015 General Election?

    • Yes
      26
    • No
      29
  3. 3. Do you have a vote in the Labour leadership election?

    • Yes
      11
    • No
      44
  4. 4. Who would you vote for in the Labour leadership election?

    • Andy Burnham
      15
    • Yvette Cooper
      13
    • Jeremy Corbyn
      18
    • Liz Kendall
      9


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That really is scraping the barrel, and he would have been criticised anyway even if he had gone.

Nah, that's not even reached the bottom of the barrel. This on the other hand:

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And then there's this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3241904/We-won-t-stand-Army-brass-warn-MUTINY-Jeremy-Corbyn-Prime-Minister.html

Sounds like some senior army personnel are a threat to national security.

Yet they'll happily not resign and keep their grace-and-favour houses when the last bunch of governments cut, cut and cut again at the military.  Where were they when the Coalition essentially rendered us incapable of naval airstrikes by scrapping our carriers and Harrier fleet.  Where were they when the governments cut army numbers so badly that it was operating way beyond its capacity.

 

The Tory government is the greatest threat to the UK's armed forces since the 1960s Cold War almost turned nuclear.  Second only to that of the Coalition.

 

Also, what the hell does Trident have to do with the armed forces?  Nuclear weapons are a political tool, not a military one.  We could make a supply and support deal with the US for half the price of Trident, other nations do it quite well.  We'd have to give up our largely useless seat on the UN Security Council though and the egos of those at the top wouldn't like that.


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Yet they'll happily not resign and keep their grace-and-favour houses when the last bunch of governments cut, cut and cut again at the military. Where were they when the Coalition essentially rendered us incapable of naval airstrikes by scrapping our carriers and Harrier fleet. Where were they when the governments cut army numbers so badly that it was operating way beyond its capacity.

The Tory government is the greatest threat to the UK's armed forces since the 1960s Cold War almost turned nuclear. Second only to that of the Coalition.

Also, what the hell does Trident have to do with the armed forces? Nuclear weapons are a political tool, not a military one. We could make a supply and support deal with the US for half the price of Trident, other nations do it quite well. We'd have to give up our largely useless seat on the UN Security Council though and the egos of those at the top wouldn't like that.

Isn't it about time we stopped pretending that we're a military force to be reckoned with?


"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin

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Yet they'll happily not resign and keep their grace-and-favour houses when the last bunch of governments cut, cut and cut again at the military.  Where were they when the Coalition essentially rendered us incapable of naval airstrikes by scrapping our carriers and Harrier fleet.  Where were they when the governments cut army numbers so badly that it was operating way beyond its capacity.

 

It was the Senior Officers who made the real decisions about what to cut and what not to cut. I absolutely know for a fact that it was the Tornado, not the Harrier, which was due to be cut. The 'final' draft paper was seen by a few individuals on the Friday before SDSR 10 stating that fact. By the Monday when the paper was submitted to the Cabinet, the Harrier suddenly appeared in place of Tornado. This was due to Jock Stirrup (then CDS) changing his mind to protect the RAF's fixed wing assets rather than a capability that Defence actually needed. The Navy relented as they were promised 2 x new Carriers. The government, no matter who they are, a Coalition, Conservatives or Labour, tell the MOD how much money they will have or how much money they will need to save. Like I said, it is the MOD and Senior Officers who make the decisions.

 

For what it is worth, a few would resign if a Corbyn-led government did remove the UK from NATO. However, the vast majority wouldn't as between them, I don't think they have real integrity or the needs of the nation at the heart of what they do. The needs of their particular 'service' is their main priority along with how they can continue up the promotion pathway. I am pretty fed up with our hierarchy; absolutely have no idea what the Services actually need. Therefore I think all the rubbish in that article is a load of old cobblers and has been sensationalised by the paper in question.     

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When the Wilson government was really unpopular in the sixties, there was a lot of talk about the military taking over, with Mountbatten suggested as the leader of what can only be called a coup d'etat.  It never came to anything. I also remember the Daily (Sunday?) Express flying a kite that the Queen could dismiss Wilson as PM and appoint Heath.  There would be a vote of no confidence, a General Election and Heath would be PM.  This (or something like this) actually happened in Australia.  We've no idea what's really going on behind the scenes.  I'm sure there are those powers behind the throne who could move against a Corbyn government.  And of course the media would support them.


“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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I wouldn't concern yourselves with the prospect of any sort of mutiny/coup by our armed forces , it wont be needed.

JC has as much chance of becoming PM as the Pope as of marrying Marilyn Monroe, the latest poll out says he's already lost 20% of labour voters(note voters) not £3 members like myself.

Even the Labour supporters I know are shocked how he's already backtracking over NATO and the EU, not to mention his willingness to open the floodgates to refugees or economic migrants stealing their housing and benefits.

The press don't need to discredit him, just having friends like Lady Tonge signs your death warrant:-

 

"I have met Hamas leaders both in Damascus and in Gaza. So has Jeremy Corbyn," she said.

 

"We were all favourably impressed by those people. We all feel it was very very important to listen to their point of view.

"They said a lot of wise things."

Lady Tonge, a former Lib Dem MP, also said that peace talks should involve senior figures from so-called Islamic State.

"They're not friends, but I think people should meet them. We've got to bring in Isis leaders and you've got to bring in Assad. You've got to talk to all the people who are involved."

 

You couldn't make it up!!!

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Well at least Corbyn hasn't been photographed with his cock in a pigs mouth... Unlike Cameron!

(According to the mail)


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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His policies are in the 20th century but the rest of us are in the 21st century, socialism in this country has never caught on. Thank God

Yes that's true and the current lot are dismantling the post war Attlee reforms as fast as they can.  We'll all (even you) be sorry when they;re all gone.  The White Paper that brought in the Welfare State was called In Place of Fear.  So when those reforms are gone what'll be left?


“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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Yes that's true and the current lot are dismantling the post war Attlee reforms as fast as they can.  We'll all (even you) be sorry when they;re all gone.  The White Paper that brought in the Welfare State was called In Place of Fear.  So when those reforms are gone what'll be left?

 

The fact that both Labour supporters and MP's have harked back to this very brief post war period shows how little they can actually call on in the following years in government.

 

This 6 year period in itself yielded very little in terms of the claimed reforms.  It is the case in fact, that Labour put a moratorium on private house building and ploughed ahead in building the slum estates of the future.

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Well at least Corbyn hasn't been photographed with his cock in a pigs mouth... Unlike Cameron!

(According to the mail)

 

It would appear that Corbyn beat him to that achievement by some number of years :ph34r:

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To be fair to Corbyn, I think many Labour supporters may feel he is doing better than expected.  Not so much his policies at present, but because of his different approach to things.  They might even excuse his supreme lack of taste in shagging Diana Abbot.


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The fact that both Labour supporters and MP's have harked back to this very brief post war period shows how little they can actually call on in the following years in government.

 

This 6 year period in itself yielded very little in terms of the claimed reforms.  It is the case in fact, that Labour put a moratorium on private house building and ploughed ahead in building the slum estates of the future.

Of all your unfounded assertions this has to be the most laughable. EVERYTHING changed for the working man for the better because of the Attlee government. 


“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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The fact that both Labour supporters and MP's have harked back to this very brief post war period shows how little they can actually call on in the following years in government.

 

This 6 year period in itself yielded very little in terms of the claimed reforms.  It is the case in fact, that Labour put a moratorium on private house building and ploughed ahead in building the slum estates of the future.

 

 

Utter drivel. The NHS was formed, the coal, rail and steel industries were nationalised, India was granted independence. The 1948 Education Act gave assistance to schoolchildren from poor backgrounds.

 

The current bunch of squits ... Labour, Tory and LibDem ... are incapable of such achievements


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Utter drivel. The NHS was formed, the coal, rail and steel industries were nationalised, India was granted independence. The 1948 Education Act gave assistance to schoolchildren from poor backgrounds.

 

The current bunch of squits ... Labour, Tory and LibDem ... are incapable of such achievements

 

All while rebuilding the country destroyed by 6 years of war with absolutely no money.


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A man of his time for the immediate post war period but things moved on..remember though that he also introduced dental and spectacle charges so that "free at the point of use" was no longer true.   Bevan resigned in 1951 in part because of the Labour Govts intention to bring in prescription charges.

 

Back to Jezza , but this time without reference to his poking around in living tissue.

 

Now the fuss has settled down, and with the party conference this weekend, time to see what the party thingk, for Jezza is surely not going to control and stage manage the whole thing, is he?


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A man of his time for the immediate post war period but things moved on..remember though that he also introduced dental and spectacle charges so that "free at the point of use" was no longer true.   Bevan resigned in 1951 in part because of the Labour Govts intention to bring in prescription charges.

 

Back to Jezza , but this time without reference to his poking around in living tissue.

 

Now the fuss has settled down, and with the party conference this weekend, time to see what the party thingk, for Jezza is surely not going to control and stage manage the whole thing, is he?

 

But it was a dead pig John, nobody would care if had been alive.....would we?.......


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Now the fuss has settled down, and with the party conference this weekend, time to see what the party thingk, for Jezza is surely not going to control and stage manage the whole thing, is he?

 

I'm hoping that the new politics has found it's way into the hearts and minds of the delegates and the Conference Arrangements Committee and the party conference is as chaotic and democratic as it always used to be.

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A very informative piece from the inside: Clive Lewis: Next Left?

 

“They’re trying to portray Jeremy as an anarchic, socialist nightmare who can’t do his shoelaces up. You’re getting some hysterical stuff, there’s been a bit of a feeding frenzy down here. The thinking is throw enough mud and some will stick. They want as many bacon sandwich moments as possible, and I think it’s the job of the people around Jeremy to minimise this as much as possible,” he says.

“We don’t want to spin. We don’t want the kind of approach that New Labour took dealing with the media. Sometimes the relationship was not one that was particularly healthy for democracy. Jeremy is very different to former leaders. He’s genuine. I think that came across in PMQs for the first time for many people, and that’s a big contrast to David Cameron. I’m not saying he’s Teflon, but I think people will say ‘actually this guy is straight talking’.

 

The more I see and hear of Clive Lewis the more I like him.


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Now the fuss has settled down, and with the party conference this weekend, time to see what the party thingk, for Jezza is surely not going to control and stage manage the whole thing, is he?

 

I'm going. I'll let you know.


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"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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Former Lib Dem MP, and independent member of the House of Lords, Jenny Tongue (although still a Lib Dem party member she doesn't take the Lib Dem whip in the Lords) is apparently close to joining Labour too.

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