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You've got to feel for the lad. I'm also sure that Dame Judy Dench will be consulting her solicitors for the disgraceful suggestion that she is a Mancunian. 

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You've got to feel for the lad. I'm also sure that Dame Judy Dench will be consulting her solicitors for the disgraceful suggestion that she is a Mancunian. 

 

Indeed. And Sir Ian McKellen.

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Well it seems like the far right have been demonstrating in various cities against this open door policy

Did you take your Union Jack?

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Refugees fighting each other again this time in Hamburg. https://www.rt.com/news/317229-refugees-clash-german-center/Its the third major clash between Refugees this week involving 100s of people. The Police are simply past their limit. The Police Union have said they want Refugees seperated based on Religion and where they come from. The fear is that this is just the start. There a re a number of cases of Extreme Muslims attacking Christians or others who dont follow the Muslim way of things. Attacks on Christian Syrians are well known about. Merkel is still saying that she thinks its right what she is doing. But clearly things are not and these people are often bringing their little conflicts further to Europe. Merkel has ruined Germany and Europe with a stupid decisions and words. Nobody is really sure what is happening as now the 600,000 she said at the start of the summer is now 1.5 Million coming to Germany in 2015. There is no plan and no solution but she has burdened everybody. The EU are as bad. The Bavaian Minister has said he will start sending Refugees back to Austria as Bayern cant cope anymore. What a mess!

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Did you take your Union Jack?

It may surprise you but I don't have one, but I may get one

Hows your hammer and sickle doing?

How many immigrants would you let in, or would you just open the floodgates like JC wants

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It may surprise you but I don't have one, but I may get one

Hows your hammer and sickle doing?

How many immigrants would you let in, or would you just open the floodgates like JC wants

I'm an anarchist so I don't subscribe to the hammer and sickle. I don't believe in countries or borders either.

Before attacking my politics find out what they are please.

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I'm an anarchist so I don't subscribe to the hammer and sickle. I don't believe in countries or borders either.

Before attacking my politics find out what they are please.

So you are Citizen Smith or Swampy, I'll remember in future.

 

And you'd let them all in like Corbyn

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It may surprise you but I don't have one, but I may get one

Hows your hammer and sickle doing?

How many immigrants would you let in, or would you just open the floodgates like JC wants

 

Quite the libertarian is our Jezza.

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Refugees fighting each other again this time in Hamburg. https://www.rt.com/news/317229-refugees-clash-german-center/Its the third major clash between Refugees this week involving 100s of people. The Police are simply past their limit. The Police Union have said they want Refugees seperated based on Religion and where they come from. The fear is that this is just the start. There a re a number of cases of Extreme Muslims attacking Christians or others who dont follow the Muslim way of things. Attacks on Christian Syrians are well known about. Merkel is still saying that she thinks its right what she is doing. But clearly things are not and these people are often bringing their little conflicts further to Europe. Merkel has ruined Germany and Europe with a stupid decisions and words. Nobody is really sure what is happening as now the 600,000 she said at the start of the summer is now 1.5 Million coming to Germany in 2015. There is no plan and no solution but she has burdened everybody. The EU are as bad. The Bavaian Minister has said he will start sending Refugees back to Austria as Bayern cant cope anymore. What a mess!

In addition to the widely reported (in anything other than the British press) clashes between rival factions and the abuse of certain minorities by Muslim extremists is also the recently reported push by Merkel to dispatch failed asylum seekers pronto back to their countries of origin.  I'm sure that when the UK tried to enforce our own rules on speedy return of asylum seekers we were blocked by whichever body blocks us on these things. 

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It won't be she will survive at least till the next election. 7m seems like a theoretical top number I can't see it get that high.

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It won't be she will survive at least till the next election. 7m seems like a theoretical top number I can't see it get that high.

1.5 million refugees this year who will have somewhere between 4 and 8 relatives they can bring in according to the Guardian:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/05/germany-now-expects-up-to-15-mln-migrants-in-2015-report

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So you are Citizen Smith or Swampy, I'll remember in future.

And you'd let them all in like Corbyn

Well I'm one or t'other but which eh?

And yes I would

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Merkel has 2 years to go and even then will likely stay in power as the CDU and sister party CSU are way stronger than the rest. The last elections saw the CDU (And CSU in Bayern) (Conservatives) around 41%. SPD (Labour) around 26% and the come the rest way behind the left wing "Die Linke" and Greens on 8% and the FDP and the new guys AfD (UKIP) on just under 5%. And the recent opinion polls this week show little change for Merkel although there is a growing discontent from with the CSU in Bayern where Seehofer has criticized Merkel openly and a number of people growing concern at the lack of plan for Refugees.

 

CDU/CSU. 2013 41.5%  2015 40.6%

SPD.......... 2013 25.7%  2015 24.1%

Die Linke. 2013 8.6%    2015 8.8%

Greens..... 2013 8.4%   2015 9.9%

AfD........... 2013 4.7%   2015 8.3%

FDP.......... 2013 4.7%   2015 2.4%

 

.The AfD were formed in 2013 and despite some internal disputes, are very much on the rise, due to the policies of Merkel and the poor cooperation of the CDU&CSU and the SPD. The SPD have nobody that is even close to challenging Merkel and are seen as clueless and leaderless as the Labour party in the UK. But in an interesting move by the AfD yesterday, that could cause major problems for Merkel. The AFD plans to lodge a complaint against Merkel accusing her of People Smuggling for allowing thousands of Asylum Seekers in to Germany with no papers and no proper registration The AfD said it would make a complaint to the Berlin prosecutors offce and hoped that it would open preliminary proceeding against Frau Merkel. Also yesterday the State of Bavaria, which is actually controlled mainly the CSU-the sister party of the CDU in Bayern, has threatened to take the German Government to Court if it fails to take immediate action to limit te amount of asylum seekers coming in to Germany. The political scene is very much changing in Germany but will it be enough to stop Merkel? Unlikely, unless the Courts have their way

 

Personally enough is enough and think the Borders should be shut. The infrastructure and resources are simply not here to look after these people and the ever growing fighting between these illegal immigrants is a worry. It started off at 500,000 and now its 1.5 Million. Where does it end? And why should Germans/Europeans put money in to a system and are told there is no money for pensioners, Health System, Schools and Kindergarten, but then 6 Billion Euros is found for people who often are not just escaping a war zone, but are often criminals and part of a system that have murdered innocent people. We have no idea what many of these yound men have been upto or what they will do in future. Its no stretch of the immagination to say that a number no doubt refuse to accept the western way and have been and still are extremists. Plus hundreds of thousands are actually not fleeing war at all, like those from the Balkan States. We cant help everybody and we certainly cant do it by inviting all to Europe. The solution is where these people are from not going to. Politicians are voted in to put the interests of the population first-the likes of Merkel and co have failed. Why invite millions here if you have neither the resources or the infrastructure to look after them and have no real plan on the future?

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Well I'm one or t'other but which eh?

And yes I would

 

How would that work?

 

if the population of war-torn, terrorism-torn, religion-toern counties were to see refuge here and in other EU counties, how many would do so?

 

For example,how many would leave

- Syria?

- Iraq?

--Afghanistan?

- Pakistan?

- Libya

- Nigeria

etc etc

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So far as I am aware, only Bradford and Calderdale have volunteered to take Syrian refugees.

 

I bet local authorities in the Thames Valley, Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire, the Cotswolds, Dorset, Hampshire and Surrey will be falling over themselves to make sure they get their fair share.

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Coventry have got their own Syrian and Afghan refugee project with one worker for each group incidentally. Most of the recently arrived refugees I meet tend to be from Eritrea rather than Syria or Afghanistan though

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So far as I am aware, only Bradford and Calderdale have volunteered to take Syrian refugees.

I bet local authorities in the Thames Valley, Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire, the Cotswolds, Dorset, Hampshire and Surrey will be falling over themselves to make sure they get their fair share.

Pretty sure kirklees has.

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St Helens has offered to take some Syrians but only if central government funds them, which is pretty much the default approach of St Helens to anything.

 

What astounds me about this migrant crisis is that the EU is doing nothing at all about it.  Yet again on TV last night were hundreds of mainly young males getting off boats or trapsing through soggy countryside, completely free to go where they wanted, when they wanted and how they wanted.  Not a person stopping them anywhere.  No action being taken.  And meanwhile the criminals have got going with their fake passports (including fake UK passports) and in spite of the TV crew catching one such criminal out, no report was made to the police or anything; it is all just going on and who knows what is entering the continent unimpeded.  Heaven knows what might happen down the line if ISIS has snuck in.

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St Helens has offered to take some Syrians but only if central government funds them, which is pretty much the default approach of St Helens to anything.

 

What astounds me about this migrant crisis is that the EU is doing nothing at all about it.  Yet again on TV last night were hundreds of mainly young males getting off boats or trapsing through soggy countryside, completely free to go where they wanted, when they wanted and how they wanted.  Not a person stopping them anywhere.  No action being taken.  And meanwhile the criminals have got going with their fake passports (including fake UK passports) and in spite of the TV crew catching one such criminal out, no report was made to the police or anything; it is all just going on and who knows what is entering the continent unimpeded.  Heaven knows what might happen down the line if ISIS has snuck in.

EU is just a Gravy train and serves no real purpose. The EU really should be looking to solve this as well as the financial problems in Greece etc and not Germany, France and thze UK. But as said the EU is all mouth and no action. Temperatures across central Europe are set to drop down to below minus this week and this will see the illegal Immigrants struggling with the cold especially at night plus the snow thats forecast.

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