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10 minutes ago, ckn said:

I really don't know what to say, apart from UNFEKINBELIEVABLE. 

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Carillion blacklisted trade unionists, ran up £600m pension deficit while protecting execs' bonuses, Tories gave party donor boss billion-pound contracts while firm in meltdown, now demanding a state bailout. Yet welfare claimants demonised as scroungers. What a bizarre country. Via Brian Reade Daily Mirror Columnist 

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33 minutes ago, Phil said:

Carillion blacklisted trade unionists, ran up £600m pension deficit while protecting execs' bonuses, Tories gave party donor boss billion-pound contracts while firm in meltdown, now demanding a state bailout. Yet welfare claimants demonised as scroungers. What a bizarre country. Via Brian Reade Daily Mirror Columnist 

The Mafia, sorry Tories, will bail them out, claiming, it is because we are concerned about British jobs, when really they are concerned that their mates (donors) will loose millions of pounds.

 

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Privatisation, bail outs, call it what you will. Labour do it to save working class people their jobs, Tories do it to protect their millionaire backers  gambling investments, both sides do it. One side to protect the rich the other to protect the poor.

The stock market is just gambling for the rich, the local bookies is gambling for the poor. 

Both have to accept their losses. You gambled, you lost.

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On 11/01/2018 at 9:10 AM, RidingPie said:

Paid £2500 a month for 25hrs work per month. £100 per hour... get me on that sweet gravy train.

Ok, join the Conservatives, wait 14 years before being elected MP, and then 20 years after that the Gravy Train is all yours. Simples!

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6 minutes ago, Wiltshire Rhino said:

Ok, join the Conservatives, wait 14 years before being elected MP, and then 20 years after that the Gravy Train is all yours. Simples!

Tom Purlsglove age 27????

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6 hours ago, Saint 1 said:

I note the lack of response. Disappointing but not surprising. 

Jeez.  A brother was 50 this weekend and we celebrated.  Is it ok for me to do that before responding to your post?  Or should I just back out of the party in order to reply to your post?

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On ‎11‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 4:21 PM, Saint 1 said:

You say 'yet'. The Office for Budget Responsibility in their latest analysis in November 2017 says that they won't eliminate the deficit until at least 2031, potentially later. Additionally, that is ignoring Brexit due to the lack of info provided by the government. The Tories original claim was the deficit was going to be eliminated by 2015. What part of this gives the Tories' future claims any credibility?

I'd be grateful for a link to this projection by the ONS as I don't remember reading/hearing it.  The original aim as stated by Osborne was to be in surplus by 2015 but I wondered whether that was actually necessary.  How many countries run a surplus (other than Germany)?  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

I'd be grateful for a link to this projection by the ONS as I don't remember reading/hearing it.  The original aim as stated by Osborne was to be in surplus by 2015 but I wondered whether that was actually necessary.  How many countries run a surplus (other than Germany)?  

 

 

Have you really gone from defending austerity all these years, because of the need to get rid of the deficit, to now saying who needs a surplus?  

Thats brazen.  

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10 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Have you really gone from defending austerity all these years, because of the need to get rid of the deficit, to now saying who needs a surplus?  

Thats brazen.  

Of course that isn't what I said.  I said 'I wondered whether [a surplus] was actually necessary'.  If you read the post I actually wrote rather than the one you imagined I wrote then you will notice use of the past tense and indeed of the verb 'to wonder'. 

Austerity was endured by millions during and after the Second World War.  We have not been living in austerity since 2008.

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36 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

We have not been living in austerity since 2008.

Yes "we" have, it sickens me that my parents generation have got off pretty much scott free, my generation so so, I guess if you'd kept your job, not been ill, didn't have kids much would go unnoticed, but my kids generation, absolutely battered by austerity on every front.

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9 hours ago, shrek said:

Yes "we" have, it sickens me that my parents generation have got off pretty much scott free, my generation so so, I guess if you'd kept your job, not been ill, didn't have kids much would go unnoticed, but my kids generation, absolutely battered by austerity on every front.

I take it your post is ironic?

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14 hours ago, Phil said:

Carillion blacklisted trade unionists, ran up £600m pension deficit while protecting execs' bonuses, Tories gave party donor boss billion-pound contracts while firm in meltdown, now demanding a state bailout. Yet welfare claimants demonised as scroungers. What a bizarre country. Via Brian Reade Daily Mirror Columnist 

As with the railways, privatised profits with socialised losses. 

10 hours ago, Saintslass said:

I'd be grateful for a link to this projection by the ONS as I don't remember reading/hearing it.  The original aim as stated by Osborne was to be in surplus by 2015 but I wondered whether that was actually necessary.  How many countries run a surplus (other than Germany)?  

Thanks for the reply. I noticed you replying to other posts, I was concerned you had forgotten about mine. 

Here's a link - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-5108871/Government-not-eradicate-deficit-2031-watchdog-warns.html 

OBR chairman Robert Chote stated “If the deficit was to continue falling at the average rate expected beyond the end of this spending review, then it wouldn’t reach balance until 2030/31. And over this period there is also likely to be upward pressure on spending from the ageing of the population and other cost pressures from the health service.”

Quite interestingly, I was reading the OBR's reports trying to find an appropriate source for this. If you go to page 116 here http://cdn.budgetresponsibility.org.uk/Nov2017EFOwebversion-2.pdf "On a like-for-like basis we have revised our pre-measures forecast in 2017-18 up by £3.2 billion, but have revised down growth in receipts from 2017-18 to 2021-22 by £24.8 billion. Receipts in 2021-22 are therefore £21.6 billion lower than we forecast in March." If we work on the assumption that there are 35 million economically active people in the UK, that's £617 less for every person than even in their March prediction! I expect here you'll talk about the volatility of these forecasts, but even so, that is a pretty significant change with presumably some methodology behind it. 

A budget surplus is not necessary. A good summary of why is here http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/12/05/why-a-budget-surplus-is-the-last-thing-we-need/

A budget surplus is only necessary when there is excessive aggregate demand in the economy, which would result in demand-pull inflation (not cost-push inflation as we currently have). Aggregate demand (or GDP) comprises of consumption, investment, exports minus imports, and government spending minus tax. If the other components are close to the maximum potential of the economy, a budget surplus is needed to counteract that and take some heat out of the economy. Given real wages are pretty much stagnant in the UK, a budget surplus is the last thing we need. However, the Conservatives have made aiming for it a defining feature in their fiscal policy, so we must judge them on that. 

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11 hours ago, Saintslass said:

The initial White Paper was drawn up in 1944 under the coalition government.  Henry Willink was the Health Minister, and a Tory. 

 

 

"The Tories voted against the formation of the NHS 21 times before the act was passed, including both the Second and Third reading.

Some of the claims ("Hitlerian coercion", "first step to turn Britain into a National Socialist economy") are so harsh as to make GOP look restrained.

To say that in 1946 must have been almost unbelievably emotive"

https://www.quora.com/Was-there-major-opposition-to-the-National-Health-Service-Act-1946-in-the-UK-as-there-is-for-the-Affordable-Care-Act-Obamacare-in-the-US-Why-or-why-not

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BTW it was the much lionised Churchill who was Leader of the (Tory) Opposition at the time of the introduction of the NHS.  There's a new film coming out about him, adding to the myth.

I wonder when they'll make a film about this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/10/how_churchill_starved_india.html

"Some three million Indians died in the famine of 1943. The majority of the deaths were in Bengal. In a shocking new book, Churchill's Secret War, journalist Madhusree Mukherjee blames Mr Churchill's policies for being largely responsible for one of the worst famines in India's history. It is a gripping and scholarly investigation into what must count as one of the most shameful chapters in the history of the Empire."

That's only half as many that died in the German concentration camps, so I suppose he was only half as guilty as Hitler.

That's the true Tory spirit for you.

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35 minutes ago, Trojan said:

BTW it was the much lionised Churchill who was Leader of the (Tory) Opposition at the time of the introduction of the NHS.  There's a new film coming out about him, adding to the myth.

I wonder when they'll make a film about this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/10/how_churchill_starved_india.html

"Some three million Indians died in the famine of 1943. The majority of the deaths were in Bengal. In a shocking new book, Churchill's Secret War, journalist Madhusree Mukherjee blames Mr Churchill's policies for being largely responsible for one of the worst famines in India's history. It is a gripping and scholarly investigation into what must count as one of the most shameful chapters in the history of the Empire."

That's only half as many that died in the German concentration camps, so I suppose he was only half as guilty as Hitler.

That's the true Tory spirit for you.

The myth of Churchill is one of the greatest of our times, in reality he was an anti Semitic alcoholic who would happily have butchered anyone if they were black or dusky skinned. 

Still well thought of in Featherstone and the welsh valleys I believe 😒

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24 minutes ago, Phil said:

The myth of Churchill is one of the greatest of our times, in reality he was an anti Semitic alcoholic who would happily have butchered anyone if they were black or dusky skinned. 

Still well thought of in Featherstone and the welsh valleys I believe 😒

Did much good work with the Black and Tans as well I believe

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5 minutes ago, Shadow said:

Did much good work with the Black and Tans as well I believe

Indeed 

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2 hours ago, Saintslass said:

I take it your post is ironic?

Not at all.

Feel free to show me the error of my ways.

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'The Market' is the great superstition of our age. Is saying 'The market has the answer' any more or less credible than saying 'The magic stick has the answer', 'The oracle has the answer' or 'God has the answer'? There is no secret to the patterns of neo-liberalism; it is a system that panders to the worst of human nature, it's rhythms are governed by base greed and craven fear. That our planet and our futures have been sacrificed to this 'idol without form' is beyond belief.

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3 minutes ago, Phil said:

'The Market' is the great superstition of our age. Is saying 'The market has the answer' any more or less credible than saying 'The magic stick has the answer', 'The oracle has the answer' or 'God has the answer'? There is no secret to the patterns of neo-liberalism; it is a system that panders to the worst of human nature, it's rhythms are governed by base greed and craven fear. That our planet and our futures have been sacrificed to this 'idol without form' is beyond belief.

But you can't stop it. It's human nature, all you can do is to try and control it.

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7 minutes ago, Trojan said:

But you can't stop it. It's human nature, all you can do is to try and control it.

Yes control it, by having a planned economy 

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