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That is my impression of him but it isn't what many on the left say about him.

 

BoJo plays up the clown image to people who are likely to vote for him: Tories and floating voters.


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It's 1992-97 all over again.  Cameron's idiot pledge for a referendum to stop whiners has thrown the grenade into his party this Parliament.  Delayed gratification at its best. :P

I don't think IDS going has anything to do with the referendum.  There have been tensions between him and Osborne before now.  I think the following link probably describes the situation pretty well: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/19/what-explains-iain-duncan-smiths-decision-to-resign

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It's 1992-97 all over again.  Cameron's idiot pledge for a referendum to stop whiners has thrown the grenade into his party this Parliament.  Delayed gratification at its best. :P

 

Just about to phone the traffic cone hotline.


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Quite possibly. And I still thought it was wrong then. You see, not all of us slavishly follow party doctrine.

Edit to add:

When Labour introduced academies I don't recall them doing so by tagging the legislation on the back of a completely unrelated, non education bill but followed parliamentary democratic process and will have been subject to proper debate and scrutiny.

But not quite wrong enough for you to actually give a toss, funny that.

Another one for the spineless hypocrisy thread.

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I would just like to say how encouraging it is to see so many acknowledge that the IDS resignation is nothing to do with a change of heart, with a newly discovered empathy or a distancing himself from the harsh policies of this Government and everything to do with positioning himself for greater glory under Cameron's replacement. Pure politics - a disgraceful, repugnant side show that hopes to make him more cash.

Now we must all be aware that if this Government is allowed to continue on the trajectory it has set it will not be long before we "free thinkers" are summoned for re-programming. 24 hours exposure to BBC news should cure us.


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I have long believed that politics should be taught at school, so adults have a better idea of what is being done "In their name" and the long term ramifications of the policies of the parties they vote (or don't vote) for.

Obviously politics would have to be taught in a balanced and unbiased way. And there's the problem: how does a teacher explain Tory ideology to small children without sounding like a communist sympathiser?

"It's because they're selfish, Timmy".

"It's because they don't care what happens to anyone else, Lucy"

You see the problem...


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I have long believed that politics should be taught at school, so adults have a better idea of what is being done "In their name" and the long term ramifications of the policies of the parties they vote (or don't vote) for.

Obviously politics would have to be taught in a balanced and unbiased way. And there's the problem: how does a teacher explain Tory ideology to small children without sounding like a communist sympathiser?

"It's because they're selfish, Timmy".

"It's because they don't care what happens to anyone else, Lucy"

You see the problem...

They should have a Methodist upbringing like me.  I'm a non believer now, but no less of a Methodist for all that. The Co-operative movement was founded by Methodists.  Methodists believe in sharing.  An example. in the fifties an event, a Church Anniversary service, or a concert would often be followed by something called "a faith supper"  where everyone brought something and it was shared as a meal.  And everyone did bring something and no one thought it was odd.  Attitudes like that stay with you all your life.  It has absolutely nothing to do with politics but it's no accident that many top Labour people learned their politics in the Methodist Church.


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They should have a Methodist upbringing like me.  I'm a non believer now, but no less of a Methodist for all that. The Co-operative movement was founded by Methodists.  Methodists believe in sharing.  An example. in the fifties an event, a Church Anniversary service, or a concert would often be followed by something called "a faith supper"  where everyone brought something and it was shared as a meal.  And everyone did bring something and no one thought it was odd.  Attitudes like that stay with you all your life.  It has absolutely nothing to do with politics but it's no accident that many top Labour people learned their politics in the Methodist Church.

 

Me too. The Methodists were among the first organised religious movements to acknowledge that waiting for the afterlife for your rewards simply wasn't good enough.


"I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel"

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“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" - Mark Twain

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Gosh, is he still bitter?  (I got the pun btw and I hate that word even as a pun)

Not a fan of it either.  He does seem very bitter.  That's what happens when rich men with massive egos don't get everything their own way.


“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" - Mark Twain

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I trust standards of geography teaching in schools has improved since your day. ☺☺

 

He did after all go to school when the Tories were in power.


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I have long believed that politics should be taught at school, so adults have a better idea of what is being done "In their name" and the long term ramifications of the policies of the parties they vote (or don't vote) for.

Obviously politics would have to be taught in a balanced and unbiased way. And there's the problem: how does a teacher explain Tory ideology to small children without sounding like a communist sympathiser?

"It's because they're selfish, Timmy".

"It's because they don't care what happens to anyone else, Lucy"

You see the problem...

 

A geniunely very decent old buffer I used to work with told me that they did do 'what the parties stand for' at his public school in, I guess, the 1950s.  He was told: "The Conservatives are for aspiration achievable by all whereas Labour [socialists] are for misery endured equally by everyone."


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I trust standards of geography teaching in schools has improved since your day. ☺☺

 

 

He did after all go to school when the Tories were in power.

 

I was referring (not too successfully it would seem) that John lives in Lincolnshire, an area with a high level of Eastern European produce pickers, not specifically Hereford as mentioned in the article. :rolleyes:

 

Also, I went to school under both Tory and Labour governments they is bofe to blaym fo me poure educashun. 

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A geniunely very decent old buffer I used to work with told me that they did do 'what the parties stand for' at his public school in, I guess, the 1950s.  He was told: "The Conservatives are for aspiration achievable by all whereas Labour [socialists] are for misery endured equally by everyone."

According to my Dad they were taught about the constitution at grammar school as part of their history curriculum.

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According to my Dad they were taught about the constitution at grammar school as part of their history curriculum.

How were they taught about something that does not exist?

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How were they taught about something that does not exist?

I went to a Catholic school for a while, they taught me about loads of stuff that doesn't exist. The immaculate conception, Holy Spirit, compassion from Catholic priests.

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How were they taught about something that does not exist?

I think you will find that we do have a constitution!  I would imagine every nation state has its constitution.  Ours just isn't written down in one document.

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I think you will find that we do have a constitution!  I would imagine every nation state has its constitution.  Ours just isn't written down in one document.

That is actually as close to text-book correct as you can get.  I did constitutional law as part of my law degree and that line above summarises it quite neatly.  A constitution can be fluid, like ours, where it changes as society changes based on the three pillars of law makers, the government and the judiciary as they stand at any particular snapshot of time.


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Spin, counter-spin and stabs right in the face.  I think the next few months will be fun to watch.  It'll require a fairly united opposition though to force the Tories to have to get maximum attendance at votes.


“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" - Mark Twain

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According to my Dad they were taught about the constitution at grammar school as part of their history curriculum.

 

We weren't, I was taught if you play rugby league your future is doomed (this is not a joke).


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Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007

Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king"

 

This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits.

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That is actually as close to text-book correct as you can get.  I did constitutional law as part of my law degree and that line above summarises it quite neatly.  A constitution can be fluid, like ours, where it changes as society changes based on the three pillars of law makers, the government and the judiciary as they stand at any particular snapshot of time.

 

I had thought that the only 'solid' in our 'by precedent constitution' was the principle of the primacy of Parliament?

 

It can all be changed at a moment's notice though which is why I'm more of the opinion that 'fluid constitution' is close to an oxymoron in this context.


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