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New Work and Pensions Secretary linked to ‘gay cure organisation’

"It has also been reported that Crabb began his political career as a CARE intern.

CARE has, in the past, sponsored events which called gay and bisexual people ‘sexually broken’ and promoted the idea that they could become ‘ex-gay'."

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"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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I had thought that the only 'solid' in our 'by precedent constitution' was the principle of the primacy of Parliament?

It can all be changed at a moment's notice though which is why I'm more of the opinion that 'fluid constitution' is close to an oxymoron in this context.

Quite.

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I had thought that the only 'solid' in our 'by precedent constitution' was the principle of the primacy of Parliament?

It can all be changed at a moment's notice though which is why I'm more of the opinion that 'fluid constitution' is close to an oxymoron in this context.

No, for example if there is no law on a subject then a court can make one. They can also interpret a law in any way they see as reasonable unless it is nailed down.

Then there's the EU which means a court can strike down certain bits of law that are expressly prohibited by EU treaty. A court can also rule that a government minister is acting beyond their legal powers and force them to review within their power.

It's a damnably complex area that keeps lawyers in business.


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Not exactly their finest hour, one of the many headlines on the same theam today:

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IDS telling us what many of us knew already, that the attack on welfare was a deliberate political attack on the poor and disadvantaged because they don't and never will vote Tory.

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"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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This Tory civil war will only get worse after the EU referendum if the UK votes to remain, as I think that those who campaigned to leave won't be any near as gracious in defeat as those who campaigned to stay would be. With such a small majority in the commons it isn't going to take many Tory MPs to defect to UKIP for that majority to be wiped out overnight.

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What a great time for the Tories to have a civil war.

They can fight amongst themselves safe in the knowledge that their isn't a credible opposition to take advantage of their strife.


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That is actually as close to text-book correct as you can get. I did constitutional law as part of my law degree and that line above summarises it quite neatly. A constitution can be fluid, like ours, where it changes as society changes based on the three pillars of law makers, the government and the judiciary as they stand at any particular snapshot of time.

Yes, I was taught similarly as part of my Politics degree but we were also taught that there is another perspective that points out the nonsense of that position. A constitution has to be a concise statement of principles, precedents and rights informing the government of a state. As such it needs to be accessible, understood and fully utilisable by any citizen of that state. The idea that you can have a 'constitution' that is hidden in a mysterious million and one parliamentary acts, bills of rights and treaties that requires an army of constitutional lawyers to identify let alone interpret is, frankly, ludicrous. An unwritten constitution isn't worth the paper it isn't written on.

The existence of Constitutional Law is no more proof of a constitution than Theology is of god.

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What a great time for the Tories to have a civil war.

They can fight amongst themselves safe in the knowledge that their isn't a credible opposition to take advantage of their strife.

 

They seem to be having a decent go at making the most of the current turmoil across the benches at the moment:

 

Jeremy Corbyn: George Osborne needs to resign

 

While We Talk About Tory Splits, Let's Not Forget How United They Are in Their Treatment of the Disabled


"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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Not exactly their finest hour, one of the many headlines on the same theam today:

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IDS telling us what many of us knew already, that the attack on welfare was a deliberate political attack on the poor and disadvantaged because they don't and never will vote Tory.

IDS tries to reinvent himself as a "caring tory" a creature as rare as a tame cobra


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New Work and Pensions Secretary linked to ‘gay cure organisation’

"It has also been reported that Crabb began his political career as a CARE intern.

CARE has, in the past, sponsored events which called gay and bisexual people ‘sexually broken’ and promoted the idea that they could become ‘ex-gay'."

They also believe that gay people can become straight through the power of prayer


"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin

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Tories appoint someone who doesn't have the first clue about the job he's just been given: Stephen Crabb got his facts wrong on disability aid cuts – time to make amends

"Iain Duncan Smith’s replacement appeared to misunderstand the benefit change he voted in favour of. It doesn’t exactly bode well."

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"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Tories appoint someone who doesn't have the first clue about the job he's just been given: Stephen Crabb got his facts wrong on disability aid cuts – time to make amends

"Iain Duncan Smith’s replacement appeared to misunderstand the benefit change he voted in favour of. It doesn’t exactly bode well."

He was Welsh Secretary until a couple of days ago and it's not like he was expecting the job change. 

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He was Welsh Secretary until a couple of days ago and it's not like he was expecting the job change.

It's basic knowledge of a benefit that will be claimed by thousands of his constituents.

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He was Welsh Secretary until a couple of days ago and it's not like he was expecting the job change. 

 

The lamest of lame excuses; he voted on it. If he didn't understand what he was voting for (and it's not particularly complicated) he should have abstained. Unless your saying he doesn't have the mental capacity to read a bill and understand the very basic fundamentals of what the bill is proposing then I would say he has no place in parliament let alone government. 


"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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The lamest of lame excuses; he voted on it. If he didn't understand what he was voting for (and it's not particularly complicated) he should have abstained. Unless your saying he doesn't have the mental capacity to read a bill and understand the very basic fundamentals of what the bill is proposing then I would say he has no place in parliament let alone government. 

 

 

It's impossible to believe that, as a constituency MP, he has not had any constituents ask for his help in resolving issues following an ESA Work Capability Assessment as to whether a claimant should placed in the Work Related Activity Group or Support Group. Maybe his role as Welsh Secretary was so onerous he was unable to take on his constituency workload; maybe he's a little intellectually challenged and doesn't understand the simple distinctions between JSA, ESA WRAG and ESA Support; or maybe he is just an arrogant dissembling blaggard who treats his constituents and the nation with contempt.

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He was Welsh Secretary until a couple of days ago and it's not like he was expecting the job change. 

 

It's odd that we tend to forgive this in our politicians (regardless of party). Certainly in Western Europe, ministers tend to be subject specialists in the portfolio they cover, often to phD level. Even IDS, for all his faults, had been studying welfare through his thinktank for many years.

 

Many of our politicians turn up in extremely complex posts with their PPE in hand (or in Gideon's case, 2:1 in history) and get on with winging it.


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The lamest of lame excuses; he voted on it. If he didn't understand what he was voting for (and it's not particularly complicated) he should have abstained. Unless your saying he doesn't have the mental capacity to read a bill and understand the very basic fundamentals of what the bill is proposing then I would say he has no place in parliament let alone government. 

 

I fine argument, but we know that parties have whips and that no party actually operate in this way.


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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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They need to get with the programme. Keeping the status quo won't privatise education or give public land to private companies, and it won't de-unionise and reduce the wages of teachers.


"Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart."

Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959

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I'm sure some nice Labour folk were upset with the plan for comprehensives, which certainly ruined secondary education in my neck of the woods. 

 

I must say though while I could fully understand converting secondary schools to academies - the greater part of the problems with education reside in the secondary sector - I am totally bemused by the push to convert all primary schools as well.  I find it a bit bonkers to be honest and wouldn't be surprised if the government modified things slightly.  I think my party leaders need to use their rebel backbenchers in the way they used the LibDems - to bounce ideas off before mentioning them to the media.  That way they will sound less bonkers and not have to do so many u-turns.

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I'm sure some nice Labour folk were upset with the plan for comprehensives, which certainly ruined secondary education in my neck of the woods. 

 

I must say though while I could fully understand converting secondary schools to academies - the greater part of the problems with education reside in the secondary sector - I am totally bemused by the push to convert all primary schools as well.  I find it a bit bonkers to be honest and wouldn't be surprised if the government modified things slightly.  I think my party leaders need to use their rebel backbenchers in the way they used the LibDems - to bounce ideas off before mentioning them to the media.  That way they will sound less bonkers and not have to do so many u-turns.

The whole thing was, is and will be bonkers.(and yes I'm well aware they were introduced by a Labour government)  Basically it's a grab to centralise power over education dressed up as localism.  The academies have to get their funding nationally and he who pays the piper calls the tune.  Local authorities know best where schools are needed and how big they need to be and they need to plan.  Academies and Free schools will end up with waste and needless competition.

The slogan "free enterprise works" should be countered by "free enterprise's" past record.  Two types of satellite broadcasting - non compatible, two type of VCR - non compatible two types of cassette, non compatible, two speeds of vinyl disc. Going back into the past, two gauges of lock on our canal system so that it was never usable nationally, two railway gauges which once again prevented a national network.  There are loads of other examples of where "free enterprise" has worked against the national interest. And I've absolutely no doubt that education will provide another example.


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