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48 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

I've gone off the idea of Boris Johnson as Tory leader.  I love his optimism and his ability to inspire on the campaign trail.  Heaven knows the country needs less doom and gloom garbage over Brexit and just about everything else so someone upbeat would be very attractive.  However, I've lost my nerve.  Theresa May has scuppered my sunny uplands view when it comes to so-called Brexiteer MPs and Gove's slimy ways have just doubled down on that.  I'd love to believe that Johnson really is a supporter of Brexit but I'm no longer as sure of that as I once was and so I'm not feeling very strong and stable where Boris is concerned.

I definitely want a Brexiteer as next leader; no more of this remainer 'making the best out of a bad job' type attitude that has pervaded May's reign of disappointment and despair.  But I can't think of anyone with a chance of making the final two who would also bring the upbeat positivity that Johnson would bring.

It depends on what you want. 

If you just want Brexit and don't care if the Tory party survives then Boris Johnson is your beastie. 

If you want the Tory party to survive, you need someone capable of roundly thrashing Corbyn, Blackwood (SNP) and Cable from the despatch box then that's Gove.  He has the experience, nouse and oratory skills to get the Tory party back on an even keel and victory if Brexit is removed from the table.

If you want neither then I've a long list of the other candidates for you.


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27 minutes ago, ckn said:

It depends on what you want. 

If you just want Brexit and don't care if the Tory party survives then Boris Johnson is your beastie. 

If you want the Tory party to survive, you need someone capable of roundly thrashing Corbyn, Blackwood (SNP) and Cable from the despatch box then that's Gove.  He has the experience, nouse and oratory skills to get the Tory party back on an even keel and victory if Brexit is removed from the table.

If you want neither then I've a long list of the other candidates for you.

Gove has plenty of skeletons in the education cupboard that will be rattled should he become leader.


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Just heard J.R. Fogg asking a question about ' fol der rolls' on the news, was that his big play for the leadership, the tories could do much worse than appoint him, just think of the amusement unbounded for the rest of us😂

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If you think she is rubbish just get rid, all this secret envelope thing is hardly portraying competence.  

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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2 hours ago, Griff9of13 said:

Brexit has meant that damning reports such as this one will probably go unnoticed. The Tories are crying about it but even the dogs in the street know it's true.

For those thinking of voting Lib Dem today - they own this, they should take just as much responsibility as the Tories.

" While partners in Government , the Liberal Democrats supported the Cameron class war that produced this situation, and repeated the central lie that justified it. That is was Labour profligacy in public spending that created an unsustainable deficit."

" Austerity was largely responsible for the protest vote that secured the leave result in 2016. And yet it seems, remainers are willing to give their support to the party that bears such a heavy responsibility for the referendum outcome they deplore, and who, in their manifesto for the forthcoming elections, neither makes any mention of austerity nor proposes any convincing measures to end it."

" So ###### to the Lib Dems, I shall vote Labour."

Some of us have longer memories than a goldfish so we can remember the scramble for ministerial limousines than followed the Lib Dem getting into bed with the Tories. They're just Tories who don't like admitting it.

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15 hours ago, shrek said:

Don't let the door hit your backside on the way out!

 

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Why is it that it is mainly socialists that continue to peddle this 'class war' narrative?

We are in the 21st century now not the 19th. This idea of 'class' for me is irrelevant and I would suggest it is only being kept alive as it suits the socialists to have the 'poorer' elements of society supporting their message. 

Just as we see with Brexit where there are elements of the leave side blaming the foreigners for all their woes, the socialists blame the wealthy for all theirs. 

Socialism is the politics of blame and envy, envy that they haven't got the wealth, so in their eyes no one should have it.

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10 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

Why is it that it is mainly socialists that continue to peddle this 'class war' narrative?

We are in the 21st century now not the 19th. This idea of 'class' for me is irrelevant and I would suggest it is only being kept alive as it suits the socialists to have the 'poorer' elements of society supporting their message. 

Just as we see with Brexit where there are elements of the leave side blaming the foreigners for all their woes, the socialists blame the wealthy for all theirs. 

Socialism is the politics of blame and envy, envy that they haven't got the wealth, so in their eyes no one should have it.

Perhaps because the first thing any Tory government does on taking office is begin to rein back the welfare state.  Perhaps because the Tories introduce a tax like the bedroom tax (can't see that hurting the Duke of Westminster, can you?)  perhaps because the Tories introduce a new benefits system that has the overall effect of making poor people poorer,.  Perhaps because the Tories alter the employment protection laws in favour of employers, and remove legal aid from those wishing to take action. all these cuts are justified by the mantra that we can no longer afford them.  But of course we can afford large tax cuts for the rich.   I'm sure there's loads more things they've done that disadvantage the worse off in our society. But that'll do for now.  All the Tories care about is staying in office so they can get their snouts into the tough, and making life even better for the well off.  That is why they exist and why they get huge donations from  the companies of  those who'll benefit.

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1 minute ago, Trojan said:

Perhaps because the first thing any Tory government does on taking office is begin to rein back the welfare state.  Perhaps because the Tories introduce a tax like the bedroom tax (can't see that hurting the Duke of Westminster, can you?)  perhaps because the Tories introduce a new benefits system that has the overall effect of making poor people poorer,.  Perhaps because the Tories alter the employment protection laws in favour of employers, and remove legal aid from those wishing to take action. all these cuts are justified by the mantra that we can no longer afford them.  But of course we can afford large tax cuts for the rich.   I'm sure there's loads more things they've done that disadvantage the worse off in our society. But that'll do for now.  All the Tories care about is staying in office so they can get their snouts into the tough, and making life even better for the well off.  That is why they exist and why they get huge donations from  the companies of  those who'll benefit.

I thought taking LSD was illegal?   

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1 minute ago, JohnM said:

I thought taking LSD was illegal?   

Meh!


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1 minute ago, Trojan said:

Perhaps because the first thing any Tory government does on taking office is begin to rein back the welfare state.  Perhaps because the Tories introduce a tax like the bedroom tax (can't see that hurting the Duke of Westminster, can you?)  perhaps because the Tories introduce a new benefits system that has the overall effect of making poor people poorer,.  Perhaps because the Tories alter the employment protection laws in favour of employers, and remove legal aid from those wishing to take action. all these cuts are justified by the mantra that we can no longer afford them.  But of course we can afford large tax cuts for the rich.   I'm sure there's loads more things they've done that disadvantage the worse off in our society. But that'll do for now.  All the Tories care about is staying in office so they can get their snouts into the tough, and making life even better for the well off.  That is why they exist and why they get huge donations from  the companies of  those who'll benefit.

Nothing wrong in controlling the welfare budget, welfare payments should be a safety net not a lifestyle choice.

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2 hours ago, Griff9of13 said:

A valueless piece of toilet paper from an enemy of the UK and an interfering busy-body with no legitimacy. Why did we let him in when we know the track record of these people?

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5 minutes ago, JohnM said:

I thought taking LSD was illegal?   

Hmrc are in trouble, then. They are taking lots of LSD off lots of people.😆


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8 minutes ago, JohnM said:

A valueless piece of toilet paper from an enemy of the UK and an interfering busy-body with no legitimacy. Why did we let him in when we know the track record of these people?

So you disagree with him?

 

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45 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

Why is it that it is mainly socialists that continue to peddle this 'class war' narrative?

We are in the 21st century now not the 19th. This idea of 'class' for me is irrelevant and I would suggest it is only being kept alive as it suits the socialists to have the 'poorer' elements of society supporting their message. 

Just as we see with Brexit where there are elements of the leave side blaming the foreigners for all their woes, the socialists blame the wealthy for all theirs. 

Socialism is the politics of blame and envy, envy that they haven't got the wealth, so in their eyes no one should have it.

Yeah, why can't all these poor people just f-/k off and die then we wouldn't have to worry about them ?

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1 hour ago, JohnM said:

A valueless piece of toilet paper from an enemy of the UK and an interfering busy-body with no legitimacy. Why did we let him in when we know the track record of these people?

" Groups with years of experience examining poverty in the UK backed the Alston report's conclusions. Campbell Robb, the chief executive of the Joesph Rowntree Foundation said , " There can be no moral justification for failing to act on this report ".

Alison Garnham, the chief executive of Child Poverty Action Group said Alston had " exposed the government's refusal to acknowledge the scale of child poverty in the UK".

I don't know what ivory tower you live in but here in sunny Rochdale poverty is all around me. As I said earlier, even the dogs in the street know the report is factually accurate. Shame on you for trying to deny it.

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Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

" Groups with years of experience examining poverty in the UK backed the Alston's conclusions. Campbell Robb, the chief executive of the Joesph Rowntree Foundation said , " There can be no moral justification for failing to act on this report ".

Alison Garnham, the chief executive of Child Poverty Action Group said Alston had " exposed the government's refusal to acknowledge the scale of child poverty in the UK".

I don't know what ivory tower you live in but here in sunny Rochdale poverty is all around me. As I said earlier, even the dogs in the street know the report is factually accurate. Shame on you for trying to deny it.

Blimey, I used to work with Alison, she's as decent a human being as you could hope to meet.

So she'll now get accused of giving succour to Britain's enemies by pointing out that it would be nice if people noticed what wholesale support slashing and austerity leads to.

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1 hour ago, Private Baldrick said:

Nothing wrong in controlling the welfare budget, welfare payments should be a safety net not a lifestyle choice.

Not many would choose to live on the pittance that is Jobseekers,  Spending their lives being threatened by jobsworths.  Believe me I know of what I speak.  I've had some.  Or being told they're fit for work, just before they die from a heart attack say.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/27/thousands-died-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures

Pity they don't come down equally as hard on tax cheats then. Amount lost to welfare fraud 5bn pa amount lost to tax fraud 30bn.  Guess which gets most attention from the Tories?

 

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2 minutes ago, Trojan said:

Not many would choose to live on the pittance that is Jobseekers,  Spending their lives being threatened by jobsworths.  Believe me I know of what I speak.  I've had some.  Or being told they're fit for work, just before they die from a heart attack say.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/27/thousands-died-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures

Pity they don't come down equally as hard on tax cheats then. Amount lost to welfare fraud 5bn pa amount lost to tax fraud 30bn.  Guess which gets most attention from the Tories?

 

As soon as I see the Guardian as the source of a story then I switch off, nothing but a pedlar of left wing propaganda.

I agree, they should come down hard on all forms of cheats. 

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Yes this is the same Nick Timothy.

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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29 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

As soon as I see the Guardian as the source of a story then I switch off, nothing but a pedlar of left wing propaganda.

I agree, they should come down hard on all forms of cheats. 

Is that the same " Guardian " that advised us all to vote Lib Dem in the 2010 general election and is slowly working it's way around to do the same thing again in the next general election  ?

li's only left wing if where you're standing is on the right wing edge of the planet. Mind you don't fall off.

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6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Is that the same " Guardian " that advised us all to vote Lib Dem in the 2010 general election and is slowly working it's way around to do the same thing again in the next general election  ?

li's only left wing if where you're standing is on the right wing edge of the planet. Mind you don't fall off.

The Guardian has a left wing bias. Lib Dems are a left of centre party.

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44 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

As soon as I see the Guardian as the source of a story then I switch off, nothing but a pedlar of left wing propaganda.

I agree, they should come down hard on all forms of cheats. 

How about the Independent

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/stephen-smith-dwp-benefits-dies-sick-ill-disability-esa-fit-for-work-a8881001.html

Or the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34074557

Or the Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11828097/Thousands-of-benefit-claimants-died-after-being-declared-fit-for-work.html

You see what I can't get my mind round is that the Tories believe that people need more money in order to work harder.  But they only believe this for the higher paid.  They believe the opposite applies to the lower paid.  Perhaps the lower paid are a different species do you think?

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