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I have no idea why people are only just making a big deal out of zero hours contracts.  They have been in existence for decades, if not centuries (if you include people who would turn up to the docks to see if there was work and if there was they would be taken on but the next day they may be turned away).  I've been an agency worker in spells since I left school and on every occasion I have been on zero hours contracts because that is all that is available to agency workers and that is all that has ever been available to agency workers.  That was the case in the 1980s, 1990s and this year.  In fact, my most recent agency assignment came to an end at 5pm last Friday - and I was told by text at 5.30pm on Friday!

 

Incest has gone on since forever, I presume you are in favour.


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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Incest has gone on since forever, I presume you are in favour.

What a silly thing to write.

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I don't think comparing Agency work to ZHC is a fair comparison

The agency is duty bound to find you work, and it could be at multiple companies far more opportunities for hours each week. You're also able to register with multiple agencies at once

A ZHC implies you're stuck at one company - only given work at their need.

If a company wants to employ you there should always be a minimum amount of hours in the contract. Even if it's a small amount so you get all the rights associated with it

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As noted above, even the Daily Mail is grimacing at the thoughts of cutting disabled benefits just to give tax cuts to those who least need it.

 

We're getting into the outright shameful now.  Has the party no shame at all?  Cutting the benefits for people who can't dress/undress or go to the bathroom unaided?

 

I'd like to see our resident Tories defend this.  I simply can't see a single reason why anyone who isn't a sociopath would think this is acceptable.


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As noted above, even the Daily Mail is grimacing at the thoughts of cutting disabled benefits just to give tax cuts to those who least need it.

 

We're getting into the outright shameful now.  Has the party no shame at all?  Cutting the benefits for people who can't dress/undress or go to the bathroom unaided?

 

I'd like to see our resident Tories defend this.  I simply can't see a single reason why anyone who isn't a sociopath would think this is acceptable.

I'm a sociopath and proud!

 

Anyway.  Putting aside melodrama for a moment, I read an article about this on the BBC website.  Apparently this change in provision relates to the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) and follows an independent review (although the article did not say by whom).  PIP relates to provision of aids to disabled people and is provided in addition to other benefits.

 

According to the independent review 'the assessment criteria "may not be working as planned"' and a subsequent review found 'a "significant number of people" were likely to be getting the benefit despite having minimal-to-no ongoing daily living extra costs"'.  So far, so good in my view in that people should only get extra benefits when they actually need those benefits.  Therefore, if the current system is not meeting that aim then it should be reviewed (in the same way as, say, the funding of schools is not working fairly at present and so that is going to be changed in order to ensure all schools are funded well rather than some extremely well and others very poorly).

 

So what did the independent review consider needed addressing?  Apparently the review concluded that 'many people are eligible for a weekly award despite having minimal to no extra costs and judicial decisions have expanded the criteria for aids and appliances to include items we would expect people to have in their homes already.'  According to the Department of Work and Pensions 'over the last six months there had been three legal judgements that had ruled a bed or chair could be classed as an aid or appliance if it helped someone get dressed or undressed.'  But beds and chairs are routinely included in bedrooms.  They are not aids needed to meet the requirements of a disability (unless of course a specially adapted chair is required but that isn't what is being referred to here). 

 

So what is wrong with ensuring that from now on funding is provided only for those specialist items which are actually needed rather than for items routinely available given that such specialist items are what the PIP was intended for in the first place?

 

BBC report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35793004

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FFS... OK, I'll clarify my earlier comment: A Tory who isn't Saintslass or Exxile returned.

 

You don't half type some utter drivel.


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PIP goes towards help getting dressed, i.e maybe a carer, not towards a bed!

If you can only get dressed sitting down or in bed, then maybe you need a hand from a carer getting dressed, getting some dignity.

Points are being reduced for those who need help going to the toilet. Every bathroom has a bog? Why do those freeloading disabled need extra money for that?


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Other things that have come in over this Parliament so far that are targeted at the disabled:

 

Last July, IDS cut the Independent Living Fund that allows disabled people to live on their own rather than institutions.  Maggie Thatcher brought this in but IDS saw it as a luxury.  That's a £300 p/w cut on average for very disabled people.  Ah well, they should just snap out of it and stop being disabled or suck it up and go into an institution.

 

Last October, IDS cut the Access to Work scheme by introducing caps on payouts.  Disproportionately affecting the most disabled people.  Ah well, maybe they should just stop cluttering society with their illnesses and pretending they can be valuable participants in society.

 

Then there's the £30p/w ESA cut.  Again, why should people get any help being valuable members of society?  Hurry up and get productive or just sod off.

 

Q4 2014 saw just over 3500 people on ESA sanctioned by the DWP.  Q4 2015 saw that rise to 16,000.  These lazy disabled sods getting benefits have only themselves to blame for getting sanctioned, more than a 400% increase is surely down to them being lazy rather than targeted efforts to increase sanctions, the DWP are angels who are only there to help people find work.


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Still I'm going to get a tax cut so it's not all bad.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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FFS... OK, I'll clarify my earlier comment: A Tory who isn't Saintslass or Exxile returned.

 

You don't half type some utter drivel.

 

Ckn, I should report you to the mods for that!

 

Since you ask:

[tory mode]

The Government is mixed in with the most intimate parts of peoples lives and people are dependent on the Government.  There is no room for a private sector to cater to this, as Government interference has pushed them out.  Doctors and nurses work for the Government.  People have no insurance against sickness or disability.  Instead, we have an enormous socialist infrastructure that malingers despite being a discredited system.

The transition will be tough, doctors will have to be encouraged to set up independent practices and serve their customers rather than the Government, and private companies catering to customers rather than the Government will have to be established.  Families will take better and better insurance schemes that acknowledge that people have different needs, rather than being chained to the socialist model.  There is actually a long way to go and the changes and reaction to them illustrate how bad the problem is.

[/tory mode]

Edited by Bob8

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PIP goes towards help getting dressed, i.e maybe a carer, not towards a bed!

If you can only get dressed sitting down or in bed, then maybe you need a hand from a carer getting dressed, getting some dignity.

Points are being reduced for those who need help going to the toilet. Every bathroom has a bog? Why do those freeloading disabled need extra money for that?

Read the article.  I quoted directly from the BBC article.  Point of fact is that beds and chairs have been ruled as aids and therefore been eligible for PIP.  And the fact that you find it ridiculous is precisely why the assessment of PIP has been reviewed and changes are being made - according to the BBC article.

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FFS... OK, I'll clarify my earlier comment: A Tory who isn't Saintslass or Exxile returned.

 

You don't half type some utter drivel.

Blame the BBC; they wrote the article I quoted from.

 

I'm taking the lead from yourself on the utter drivel.  Clearly you've set a good example.

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Still I'm going to get a tax cut so it's not all bad.

Rumours are you are going to get a tax rise: on the fuel you put into your car (if you have one).

 

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I suspect pensions will be fine, the rumours put around are probably from the Government, so they can quash them at the budget.


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I suspect pensions will be fine, the rumours put around are probably from the Government, so they can quash them at the budget.

If they cut pensions they hit their core voters but if they hit the disabled, well, they've already kicked them so kicking again won't impact their votes.

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If they cut pensions they hit their core voters but if they hit the disabled, well, they've already kicked them so kicking again won't impact their votes.

I am going to adopt the persona of Tory Bob in order to stop this place being such a left-wing echo chamber...........

[Tory Bob]

It is right that pensions are not hit, the elderly paid into the system and had no choice.  The question is whether we should force everyone else to pay into a socialist economic system, that has been discredited. 

 

Because socialism is great, until eventually the sums do not add up.  You can take that out on Saintslass, as you have been in this thread, or face these facts.

 

The Government is moving people to a system when they will not be dependent on the Government.  We will have to move to a system where people are able to ensure themselves and their families against life's burdens, which is frankly a better state all round.  The truth is that people who are disabled have every right to as much dignity as anyone else and no people I know who are disabled want to be on Government hand-outs, no matter how suitable it might seem to those on the left.

[/Tory Bob]


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I am going to adopt the persona of Tory Bob in order to stop this place being such a left-wing echo chamber...........

[Tory Bob]

It is right that pensions are not hit, the elderly paid into the system and had no choice. The question is whether we should force everyone else to pay into a socialist economic system, that has been discredited.

Because socialism is great, until eventually the sums do not add up. You can take that out on Saintslass, as you have been in this thread, or face these facts.

The Government is moving people to a system when they will not be dependent on the Government. We will have to move to a system where people are able to ensure themselves and their families against life's burdens, which is frankly a better state all round. The truth is that people who are disabled have every right to as much dignity as anyone else and no people I know who are disabled want to be on Government hand-outs, no matter how suitable it might seem to those on the left.

[/Tory Bob]

Of course the counter argument is that those In receipt of those benefits were also net contributors to the system before circumstances overtook them.

Edit to add:

This is something I was reminded of when I first went to sign on by the staff in the Job Centre; basically it's my money I'm getting back.

Edited by Griff9of13

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What a silly thing to write.

 

I am simply following your logic, it isn't silly, its a logical conclusion to come to from your argument.


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If they cut pensions they hit their core voters but if they hit the disabled, well, they've already kicked them so kicking again won't impact their votes.

 

It wasn't the core voters he was worried about upsetting (the next elections in the bag), it was his backbenchers.   


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Obama blaming Cameron for the mess in Libya seems to of been passed by.  


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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It wasn't the core voters he was worried about upsetting (the next elections in the bag), it was his backbenchers.   

 

The backbenchers represent the core voters, who happen to be pensioners or those getting to a pensionable age.

 

The backbanchers don't want kicking off the gravy train


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Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king"

 

This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits.

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Of course the counter argument is that those In receipt of those benefits were also net contributors to the system before circumstances overtook them.

Edit to add:

This is something I was reminded of when I first went to sign on by the staff in the Job Centre; basically it's my money I'm getting back.

[Tory Bob]

Indeed, it is your money.  It was a system you were forced to whether you like it or not and no matter how well it suited you.  What we should have is a system where we can have people paying into a system that suits them well and consequently have no stigma about collecting on it.

[/Tory Bob]


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