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If those religious folk are right and what you suffer in this life is a test then $deity will be getting a right earful from me for how much he/she/it has tested my wife over the last seven years. I'll spend eternity punting $deity in the private parts to see if he/she/it likes being "tested".

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If they do that, they are being stupid.  Sorry to head your wife is having such a hard time.

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Agh!

It's one of the wonderful mysteries that our beneficial deity gives us, the opportunity to suffer that we might appreciate His/Her love for us.

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I'm sitting in the Major unit in A&E with my wife and I'm listening to this stupid woman shouting at a doctor telling her that her child needs to be seen by a Consultant not a stupid young woman pretending to be a doctor. Her child has sprained an ankle going by the rant I can hear and she needs to be better for their holiday at the weekend.

She joins my list of people who deserve a special hell all for themselves.

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If all-seeing, all-powerful gods choose to sit on their @rses while their creations suffer, or they actively torment their creations as a 'test' then it's a pretty tough story to sell that they are deserving of worship.

 

 

At least the Norse folk accepted that the gods they worshipped were an evil bunch who enjoyed chaos and torment amongst the human populous. Not a nice concept but at least there was no BS about gods loving their creations and caring for them or similar such nonsense.

 

 

Sorry to hear your wife has been having a tough time Craig

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At least the Norse folk accepted that the gods they worshipped were an evil bunch who enjoyed chaos and torment amongst the human populous. Not a nice concept but at least there was no BS about gods loving their creations and caring for them or similar such nonsense.

Not strictly true, the Norse gods, and in particular Odin, knew that Ragnorak, the end of the world, when the monsters break their fetters was coming.

Everything Odin did was to try and forestall this event. An early manifestation of Realpolitik if you like.

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Not strictly true, the Norse gods, and in particular Odin, knew that Ragnorak, the end of the world, when the monsters break their fetters was coming.

Everything Odin did was to try and forestall this event. An early manifestation of Realpolitik if you like.

Anyway after Ragnorak, the earth will arise again and a human couple Lif and Lifthrasir will step forward from the branches of Yggdrasil. Life will begin afresh without the taint of evil. This is another concept that Christians have stolen from the true religion, along with Yule celebrations for 12 days( when the sun stops), and Eorster for the arrival of spring.

All the Abrahamic religions have the traits of a Loki trick. Come on tell someone to sacrifice his only son, then just say only joking. The trouble is Loki always took a trick too far and always stands in the way of the other gods who want to bring order and calm. But Loki is a poor God to follow if you think of the triats of the Abrahamic god the more Loki fits the discription.

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Well, if this is all part of God's plan then he/she/it is a bit of an ######.

Edit: No, ###### are useful, he's a pustulent boil on the backside of humanity.

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On the subject of ranting.

 

I've had to down tools for a while because I can't trust typing a reply to two emails I just received that would result in me still having a job at the end of the day.  Both came in within 5 minutes of each other and both essentially said "of course I didn't do as you asked me to, it's not in my job description".  Both also said they didn't reply to tell me that when I sent the original request because they were too busy.  And both were nagging me last month about getting their jobs rebanded higher because of the innovation, flexibility and responsiveness inherent in their role.

 

Sometimes I really wonder if some people understand the concept of doing work in return for being paid money..

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On the subject of ranting.

 

I've had to down tools for a while because I can't trust typing a reply to two emails I just received that would result in me still having a job at the end of the day.  Both came in within 5 minutes of each other and both essentially said "of course I didn't do as you asked me to, it's not in my job description".  Both also said they didn't reply to tell me that when I sent the original request because they were too busy.  And both were nagging me last month about getting their jobs rebanded higher because of the innovation, flexibility and responsiveness inherent in their role.

 

Sometimes I really wonder if some people understand the concept of doing work in return for being paid money..

 

Flexible when it's something they want to do.

 

When people start quoting their job description at you, then you know they don't want to be promoted. 

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On the subject of ranting.

 

I've had to down tools for a while because I can't trust typing a reply to two emails I just received that would result in me still having a job at the end of the day.  Both came in within 5 minutes of each other and both essentially said "of course I didn't do as you asked me to, it's not in my job description".  Both also said they didn't reply to tell me that when I sent the original request because they were too busy.  And both were nagging me last month about getting their jobs rebanded higher because of the innovation, flexibility and responsiveness inherent in their role.

 

Sometimes I really wonder if some people understand the concept of doing work in return for being paid money..

Or even the concept of doing work because it needs doing (i.e. professionalism)?

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To some extent I can get those who have been down banded kicking off at being asked to perform beyond their new role description.

But if any employee has a desire to be constantly overlooked for any future job opportunity, playing this card is highly recommended.

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Spent 16 hours this week working on a test script for my dept when we switch IT systems only for the project manager to say "not what we're looking for Phil"

I'm supposed to write it without any idea of what the new system looks like or can do

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NHS Phil?

No mate I work for Suma Foods the largest workers cooperative in the Uk

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Spent 16 hours this week working on a test script for my dept when we switch IT systems only for the project manager to say "not what we're looking for Phil"

I'm supposed to write it without any idea of what the new system looks like or can do

So... the project manager sounds like he/she/it has no requirements gathered as these are usually the best things for building user acceptance testing.  A clear sign of a good PM is almost an institutional paranoia around requirements not being robust enough.  Feel free to beat your PM with a stack of PRINCE2 textbooks as a punishment for them being an amateur :P

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To some extent I can get those who have been down banded kicking off at being asked to perform beyond their new role description.

But if any employee has a desire to be constantly overlooked for any future job opportunity, playing this card is highly recommended.

It was not even as complex as that.

 

One was a primary care specialist and I asked him to assess a new community care system for how it would work in primary care.  "No, that's a community care module and we're primary care, our job is only to look at primary care modules.  I thought you'd understand that and you sent me the mail by mistake."  Now, one of our major objectives as a service this year is to help the NHS with interoperability between different parts of the NHS.

 

The second was I asked one of my strategy team to help out with reviewing operational plans for major NHS organisation.  "I forwarded your email on to (someone else) as that's not my job, you should speak to him to see why it hasn't been done".  The person he forwarded it on to is off on sick leave and that's why I forwarded it in the first place asking for assistance, I even put that in the email.

 

I got some people rebanded upwards last year who were clearly mis-banded and a few people have got the right hump about it because they thought they all deserved a rebanding and pay rise.  Being a jobsworth is not exactly the way to go to prove to me that you're doing more than your JD and deserve it to be reviewed and rewritten.

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So... the project manager sounds like he/she/it has no requirements gathered as these are usually the best things for building user acceptance testing.  A clear sign of a good PM is almost an institutional paranoia around requirements not being robust enough.  Feel free to beat your PM with a stack of PRINCE2 textbooks as a punishment for them being an amateur :P

In my experience almost all Project Managers seem to think 9 women can have a baby in a month!

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In my experience almost all Project Managers seem to think 9 women can have a baby in a month!

Far too many people think they can be a project manager and that it's an easy job.  That's why the best ones are so prized.

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Far too many people think they can be a project manager and that it's an easy job.  That's why the best ones are so prized.

Agreed, good ones are few and far between, tough gig as well, after 20 odd years of working in IT I can count on one hand with fingers to spare the number of quality PM's I've worked for/with.

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Agreed, good ones are few and far between, tough gig as well, after 20 odd years of working in IT I can count on one hand with fingers to spare the number of quality PM's I've worked for/with.

I thought I was a good project manager until I hired a PM to work for me on a big programme, a German guy who was flawless in planning, risk management and just getting things done to exactly the right standard, on time and on cost.  Nothing ever seemed to surprise him and he had a plan for every eventuality.  Worth every penny that we paid him on his day rate.

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Spent 16 hours this week working on a test script for my dept when we switch IT systems only for the project manager to say "not what we're looking for Phil"

I'm supposed to write it without any idea of what the new system looks like or can do

I have a number of project managers that report to me and it's shocking the amount of time I have to remind them to clarify scope of work and exepectations so they and other people don't waste huge amounts of time doing something that isn't right, and also agreeing timelines so that they don't just send out vague requests for things to be done.

 

Such basic concepts, but so commonly overlooked.

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I have a number of project managers that report to me and it's shocking the amount of time I have to remind them to clarify scope of work and exepectations so they and other people don't waste huge amounts of time doing something that isn't right, and also agreeing timelines so that they don't just send out vague requests for things to be done.

 

Such basic concepts, but so commonly overlooked.

Four of my junior PMs in my projects team have just started this course at the OU.  I did it back in 2000 and it was by far and away the best course I've ever done, it forces PMs to take a live project and do it properly using multiple techniques as part of a live assessment.  The golden thread through it is that if your planning part of the course results in poor results then they have to work so much harder just to get a pass than those who put the hard effort into planning it properly.  Not really suitable for experienced PMs though as their egos will get in the way of learning, best to aim it at junior ones who still can have bad habits beaten out of them before they start.

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I thought I was a good project manager until I hired a PM to work for me on a big programme, a German guy who was flawless in planning, risk management and just getting things done to exactly the right standard, on time and on cost.  Nothing ever seemed to surprise him and he had a plan for every eventuality.  Worth every penny that we paid him on his day rate.

 

Agree with that, I have two PMs who are outstanding, one in the UK and one in Netherlands. They are so focused and driven it's scary, they come to me for guidance but usually just to bounce ideas around and to let me know what's happening.

 

The only thing they both lack a little bit is client management (soft skills to use a horrible phrase), but these will come in time and I can see them both progressing rapidly. The Dutch lady can sometimes be a bit brutal with her analysis of situations but this is a cultural thing where she just calls a spade a spade and isn't very interested in diplomacy.

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