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  1. 1. Who is going to win the US Presidential Election

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The BBC journalists are having great fun seeing how many times they can get away with saying s***hole in one story before they’re pulled from the air. 

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LBJ was fond of "bunghole" and "nutsack". But at least he was talking about his own hole and sack.

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8 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

No intelligent people believe anything Hannity says.

 

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The only thing that surprises me about the whole thing is how people persist in thinking with every new allegation that it is some huge revelation or that it will somehow damage him. They are still treating it like a normal presidency. 

There is literally nothing that has happened in Trump's first year that changes what was already known about him. This is the guy who literally said he grabs women by the p***y and called Mexicans rapists among countless other absurdities. Yet people act amazed when he calls Haiti a slithole or it turns out he had to pay a porn star off. I'd have been more surprised if he hadn't done these things. 

As incredible (and fun to a point!) as they continue to be, it's going to take an awful lot more than these to remove him from office early. 

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It is extraordinarily difficult to remove a President, deliberately so. But in truth the Democrats don't actually need to remove him. Win the midterms, take both houses, and he's neutered. Do exactly what the Republicans did to Obama and continually block him for the next 3 years, and he'll be outraged in a way very few other people would. Add to that the very real possibility of prison time for people around him - including some family members. Soon enough he'll get bored and walk away. Then do the same to his replacement until 2020.

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2 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

The only thing that surprises me about the whole thing is how people persist in thinking with every new allegation that it is some huge revelation or that it will somehow damage him. They are still treating it like a normal presidency. 

There is literally nothing that has happened in Trump's first year that changes what was already known about him. This is the guy who literally said he grabs women by the p***y and called Mexicans rapists among countless other absurdities. Yet people act amazed when he calls Haiti a slithole or it turns out he had to pay a porn star off. I'd have been more surprised if he hadn't done these things. 

As incredible (and fun to a point!) as they continue to be, it's going to take an awful lot more than these to remove him from office early. 

Exactly. People who supported Trump can't pretend they didn't know exactly what they were voting for.

I think it's one of the reasons why they have to keep mentioning the failed candidate so they can keep justifying their decision.

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I've been to Haiti and, to be honest, he's not wrong. However where he is wrong is associating the state of the country with the people who live there. The people I met in Haiti are some of the nicest people you'll ever likely to meet.

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14 minutes ago, Wiltshire Rhino said:

I've been to Haiti and, to be honest, he's not wrong. However where he is wrong is associating the state of the country with the people who live there. The people I met in Haiti are some of the nicest people you'll ever likely to meet.

The Haitians haven't yet fully recovered from the 2010 earthquake, which devastated the country.

One of the things that strikes me about countries like Haiti is that some of the most enterprising and professionally qualified members of their population must have a great incentive to leave and pursue their future life elsewhere, especially in the USA. No one can blame them, but it would surely be better in the long term if they were to stay and rebuild their own country.

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46 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

The Haitians haven't yet fully recovered from the 2010 earthquake, which devastated the country.

One of the things that strikes me about countries like Haiti is that some of the most enterprising and professionally qualified members of their population must have a great incentive to leave and pursue their future life elsewhere, especially in the USA. No one can blame them, but it would surely be better in the long term if they were to stay and rebuild their own country.

Why would anyone want to leave Norway to emigrate to the USA?  Other way around now that Trump is doing his thing.  Interesting article in the NYT today about comparison of Trump/Caligula although the Trump/Nero comparison is far better and relevant.

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45 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

The Haitians haven't yet fully recovered from the 2010 earthquake, which devastated the country.

One of the things that strikes me about countries like Haiti is that some of the most enterprising and professionally qualified members of their population must have a great incentive to leave and pursue their future life elsewhere, especially in the USA. No one can blame them, but it would surely be better in the long term if they were to stay and rebuild their own country.

The same could be said of any emigrants from any nation across time; it's almost always the fittest, strongest and most capable who leave or are sent to make a new life in what is perceived to be a better country or at least a country offering better opportunities.

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4 minutes ago, Griff9of13 said:

The same could be said of any emigrants from any nation across time; it's almost always the fittest, strongest and most capable who leave or are sent to make a new life in what is perceived to be a better country or at least a country offering better opportunities.

Absolutely true, but it doesn't contradict my basic point that the loss of its most enterprising people doesn't benefit the country they leave behind.

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11 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:

Absolutely true, but it doesn't contradict my basic point that the loss of its most enterprising people doesn't benefit the country they leave behind.

True, look what it did to England and Scotland when everybody left and came to Canada!

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There is another issue here which most Americans, not just Trump, don't seem to grasp. There isn't a large pool of available migrants from First World countries to migrate to America. If you look at their major source countries, only Canada (just under 2% of USA's immigrant population) would be considered First World. Even if we just skip the niceties and just say "White people" USA still only has some Mexicans and Cubans, apart from the Canadians, to choose from.

To me the answer seems obvious. I'm surprised any Australians migrate to USA unless they're headed to Wall St, Hollywood or Nashville. (unless you want to build an Ark and open a Creationist Theme Park, of course, in which case you move to Kentucky)

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6 minutes ago, Farmduck said:

There is another issue here which most Americans, not just Trump, don't seem to grasp. There isn't a large pool of available migrants from First World countries to migrate to America. If you look at their major source countries, only Canada (just under 2% of USA's immigrant population) would be considered First World. Even if we just skip the niceties and just say "White people" USA still only has some Mexicans and Cubans, apart from the Canadians, to choose from.

To me the answer seems obvious. I'm surprised any Australians migrate to USA unless they're headed to Wall St, Hollywood or Nashville. (unless you want to build an Ark and open a Creationist Theme Park, of course, in which case you move to Kentucky)

Now this made me chuckle🤣🤣

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2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Exactly. People who supported Trump can't pretend they didn't know exactly what they were voting for.

I think it's one of the reasons why they have to keep mentioning the failed candidate so they can keep justifying their decision.

I had and have no time for those who thought Donald Trump was less dangerous than Hilary Clinton. Every day is more proof of just how absurd that statement was.

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1 hour ago, Martyn Sadler said:

Absolutely true, but it doesn't contradict my basic point that the loss of its most enterprising people doesn't benefit the country they leave behind.

This was also true of East and West Germany but it doesn't seem quite as nice a sentiment then does it?

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3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Exactly. People who supported Trump can't pretend they didn't know exactly what they were voting for.

I think it's one of the reasons why they have to keep mentioning the failed candidate so they can keep justifying their decision.

Indeed.  But, plenty will pretend.  He has had a drop in support from white women, who strongly favoured him in the election, but those who seem to think his supporters should be shocked by these comments do not seem to be living in reality.

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1 hour ago, Kayakman said:

True, look what it did to England and Scotland when everybody left and came to Canada!

By sending the ones we sent to Canada we improved the average IQ of both countries:tongue:

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1 hour ago, Kayakman said:

True, look what it did to England and Scotland when everybody left and came to Canada!

I have lived and worked all over the world.

I spent five hours in Canada.

It was more than enough :P

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I've been listening to the Fire and Fury audiobook and I'm just over an hour in. It just mentioned that it was envisaged that there could be two parallel white house structures, one dedicated to Donald's big picture views and his sons handling the day to day stuff.

For fans of the US Office this fits absolutely perfectly.

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