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  1. 1. Who is going to win the US Presidential Election

    • Trump (Republican)
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2 hours ago, M j M said:

The American right wing (or their echo chamber) are so rabid that they will paint anyone who isn't craven to their weird mixture of undiluted corporatism, selected libertarianism and fundamentalist Christianity as a dangerous radical.

Gosh.  That's very sweeping.  Have you spent time with Republicans in the USA?

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23 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

Gosh.  That's very sweeping.  Have you spent time with Republicans in the USA?

Of course its sweeping, but note that he said right wing, not republicans.  It is very tribal (we are going the same way here) so that it is possible to overlook great deficiencies so long as the other lot lose.  Obama and Hillary were labelled as radical liberals, Obamacare is labelled as communism, etc.  People voted for Judge Moore, even though they thought he was probably guilty of the accusations, just so the other guy wouldn't win.  

The centre right republicans have been slowly culled by the tea party wing meaning compromise and cross party consensus is going to be a thing of the past.  The left wing of the Dems seem to be pushing for the same.

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5 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

If the economy is good and unemployment is low, then they certainly are (normally) plus points on a re-election campaign.  Add in that (normally) being the incumbent gives a boost too.  I agree all of those will be in his favour.  Will Trump ever be the favourite?  Probably not, regardless of who the Dems pick.

Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard will bring a different sort of baggage and middle america is not a great hunting ground for 'socialists'.  Obama was hated for being a 'maxist' (he wasn't), can you imagine the Fox response to Bernie?  

 

The huge advantage that Tulsi Gabbard would have over trump is that she served in the military by choice unlike trump who did every thing possible to make sure he didn't serve his country.

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23 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

The huge advantage that Tulsi Gabbard would have over trump is that she served in the military by choice unlike trump who did every thing possible to make sure he didn't serve his country.

Serving in the military certainly used to be a big plus, however it also used to be a negative to be say a draft dodger, yet another issue were Trump has rewritten the conventions.  

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31 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Serving in the military certainly used to be a big plus, however it also used to be a negative to be say a draft dodger, yet another issue were Trump has rewritten the conventions.  

I do think if someone like her with a military background kept bringing up trumps cowardice over Vietnam in a one on one face off he would explode as he wouldn't have a logical answer as to why he repeatedly dodged the draft.

I think the way to get to trump is repeatedly ask him if he's such a proud American why did he dodge the draft, and lets not forget the public still hasn't seen his tax returns he promised to show. That's another issue he's very weak on, let alone the wall he said the Mexicans would pay for.

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50 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

I do think if someone like her with a military background kept bringing up trumps cowardice over Vietnam in a one on one face off he would explode as he wouldn't have a logical answer as to why he repeatedly dodged the draft.

I think the way to get to trump is repeatedly ask him if he's such a proud American why did he dodge the draft, and lets not forget the public still hasn't seen his tax returns he promised to show. That's another issue he's very weak on, let alone the wall he said the Mexicans would pay for.

If Donald Trump had any balls he should say he opposed the Vietnam war but a large part of American society would view this as being “anti-American” or “against the troops.” These people view sending 60,000 young Americans to their death in a pointless and unjust war in a jungle overseas and killing millions of brown skinned people as “patriotic.” 

I’m waiting and praying for the day a US presidential candidate that runs on a peace ticket and tells the American people that pushing for peace is a lot stronger and talks more courage than rushing to and declaring war all the time overseas.

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2 minutes ago, walter sobchak said:

If Donald Trump had any balls he should say he opposed the Vietnam war but a large part of American society would view this as being “anti-American” or “against the troops.” These people view sending 60,000 young Americans to their death in a pointless and unjust war in a jungle overseas and killing millions of brown skinned people as “patriotic.” 

I’m waiting and praying for the day a US presidential candidate that runs on a peace ticket and tells the American people that pushing for peace is a lot stronger and talks more courage than rushing to and declaring war all the time overseas.

Trump would never admit he opposed the Vietnam as he probably didn't, but wasn't prepared to go to Vietnam either, despite his claims nowadays he's a proud American.

Trump like all bully boys is a coward

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2 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Trump would never admit he opposed the Vietnam as he probably didn't, but wasn't prepared to go to Vietnam either, despite his claims nowadays he's a proud American.

Trump like all bully boys is a coward

Well he was all over the place regarding the Iraq war. He was against then he was for it and then he was against it because it was costing too much and stated that the US should have just took all of Iraq’s oil.

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I'm following the failure of this new memo scandal that was going to put half the Obama administration in prison and completely exonerate Trump. Apart from Fox nobody else seems to be covering it. Breitbart couldn't even keep it trending for more than 24 hours and hasn't bothered writing a follow-up story.

It seems pretty clear. The Dems/DOJ/Obama White House/FBI/CIA/FISA Court were all involved in a conspiracy to damage the Trump election campaign. The plan was to get wiretapping warrants for central members of the campaign, and maintain surveillance on all their contacts and get Fusion GPS to concoct a bogus file on Trump's alleged business dealings with various Russians. All of this material would then be strung together to support a damning fake Trump/Russia narrative which could be steadily leaked to the Press after the election was over.

Sounds pretty damning and I'm no expert in covert operations strategy but isn't there a tiny flaw in this plan?

Of course the failure of Breitbart to pursue this story can only mean one thing and I think we all know what that is - the Deep State has taken control of Breitbart. Most of the staff are already in a FEMA camp in Montana. The older ones and the alcoholics are probably already dead but they'll keep the younger healthier ones alive so that the Clintons and Obama and George Soros can use them as organ banks. And I bet the MSM won't tell you any of this.

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Meanwhile, back at reality, is there any possible way the GOP can get around this Democrat obstructionism to get this vital truth out to the American public? I think it's probably a total legal minefield that would take years to go through the Courts before even a fraction of it can be released.

OR

They could just read it out in Congress. (as per their Constitutional immunity from prosecution for any speech in Congress) It's called the Speech or Debate Clause.

 

 

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Upon reflection, perhaps I've been a little harsh on the Republicans. After all we know how much they love the Constitution. They have always been the lovers and protectors of the Constitution and they've told everyone that hundreds of times. But I guess it's unreasonable to think they've all read and absorbed the whole thing. Hey, a massive legal document like that must be huge. I guess the Speech or Debate Clause is probably way up on page 527, buried in the footnotes, annotations and appendices.

Nope. It's in Article 1. That's 1 as in "one." It's also on Page 1, as in "one." In fact, the US Constitution is only 4 pages long.

https://www.nationalarchivesstore.org/products/u-s-constitution-full-size-4-page-reproduction

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1 hour ago, Farmduck said:

I'm following the failure of this new memo scandal that was going to put half the Obama administration in prison and completely exonerate Trump. Apart from Fox nobody else seems to be covering it. Breitbart couldn't even keep it trending for more than 24 hours and hasn't bothered writing a follow-up story.

It seems pretty clear. The Dems/DOJ/Obama White House/FBI/CIA/FISA Court were all involved in a conspiracy to damage the Trump election campaign. The plan was to get wiretapping warrants for central members of the campaign, and maintain surveillance on all their contacts and get Fusion GPS to concoct a bogus file on Trump's alleged business dealings with various Russians. All of this material would then be strung together to support a damning fake Trump/Russia narrative which could be steadily leaked to the Press after the election was over.

Sounds pretty damning and I'm no expert in covert operations strategy but isn't there a tiny flaw in this plan?

Of course the failure of Breitbart to pursue this story can only mean one thing and I think we all know what that is - the Deep State has taken control of Breitbart. Most of the staff are already in a FEMA camp in Montana. The older ones and the alcoholics are probably already dead but they'll keep the younger healthier ones alive so that the Clintons and Obama and George Soros can use them as organ banks. And I bet the MSM won't tell you any of this.

I've seen republicans being interviewed on cable TV who have seen the memo and their views range from it being a danger to the Republic and a palace coup to it being completely overblown so I'll guess it's something in between.

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Just now, walter sobchak said:

I've seen republicans being interviewed on cable TV who have seen the memo and their views range from it being a danger to the Republic and a palace coup to it being completely overblown so I'll guess it's something in between.

I just saw an article by Glenn Greenwald in the Intercept and he thinks it's horse sh???? He also pointed out that there are 4 different ways of releasing the memo to the public with minimum effort.

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/19/republicans-have-four-easy-ways-to-releasethememo-and-the-evidence-for-it-not-doing-so-will-prove-them-to-be-shameless-frauds/

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6 minutes ago, Farmduck said:

I just saw an article by Glenn Greenwald in the Intercept and he thinks it's horse sh???? He also pointed out that there are 4 different ways of releasing the memo to the public with minimum effort.

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/19/republicans-have-four-easy-ways-to-releasethememo-and-the-evidence-for-it-not-doing-so-will-prove-them-to-be-shameless-frauds/

Glenn greenwald is a journalist who I totally respect and trust so if he says it's BS then I'll take his word over a few republicans everyday of the week until the memo is released to the public.

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