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Manchester Rangers formally apply to join League One

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13 hours ago, Segovia Carpet said:

Many many years ago I left the Board of Swinton and with Dragan Lukic (then Chairman of Stockport County) tried to get one of the ORIGINAL towns (Stockport) back into the RFL..   We had a great business plan - self financed - playing out of Edgeley Park.

We lobbied all clubs who said they would tender their support - guess what Ladies & Gentlemen - our application was turned down unanimously.

 

It was - and still is - a CLOSED shop.

The mafia of the mediocre. What a joke rugby league can be.

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4 hours ago, bowes said:

I think someone needs to buy up Swinton and then move them to Manchester 

Swinton are a joke and should merge with Manchester.

How can there be no room for expansion when league1 has 16 teams? 

To have 3 leagues of 14 you will need 42 clubs we have 40 clubs...

 

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I shall try to respond to as many of the comments as possible: -

Let me try and clarify the Manchester thing - The RFL DO see the benefit in having a 'Manchester' club, however, there's no room for Manchester Rangers as it stands or indeed any time soon. They've made it very clear to all, that they see the benefit to the wider game of having the Manchester brand as well as other big city brands as part of the make up of the game, but we don't know how or when this will happen or indeed who this will be. As we see it, unless an existing club re-brands and moves to the city, which in truth looks really unlikely, then their only genuine option would be and should be Rangers. Its currently a stalemate between what they want and what they are willing to do to make it happen and it looks like the sport will lose another huge opportunity.  

Lets put the Swinton and Salford argument to bed. I've spoken to various members of the Swinton board over the years and they are committed to taking Swinton back to Swinton and the plan is still to build a stadium at Agecroft. The board and the fans are 100% behind Swinton Lions. If anything, they seem to embrace the idea of a Manchester team to play against. As for Salford and Marwan, he's made it clear that he wants Manchester to get behind his club. However, I'm not sure if he's that bothered about a little club like ours parked in the blue side of the city! Anybody with an ounce of sense, will see that the reds of Salford (my childhood team btw) versus the blues of Manchester, could be huge for the game and in time create a rivalry similar to that of the 2 football teams (maybe not to the same scale though!).

Lets turn our attention to what we've tried in terms of getting a spot in League 1 or Championship and I can tell you categorically, that we've suggested everything to the RFL, including the option of taking zero central funding during the early days, but we were told that this wasn't an option. Our plan has always been to get a spot purely on our own merit, but as it became clear that this more than likely wouldn't happen, we started to look at other options, one of which I don't mind stating on here as its fairly common knowledge, was the option to merge with swinton and become something like Manchester Lions or a name that would suit the fans and safeguard the heritage of the club, but as already stated, they are firmly and always have been committed to moving back to Swinton and we applaud that.

So what do we do that other local teams don't and how do we differ to previous attempts to bring professional RL back to Manchester? Firstly we made a series of pledges to the City of Manchester that we've 100% followed through with and unlike many other clubs, we haven't asked them at any point in time for money to support our club or our ambitions. Everything we do in Manchester is paid for by our directors and sponsors. We've built relationship with our partners on trust and delivering on our promises. We don't treat this as a hobby either, we have a board of professional people with a wealth of experience and huge skill set, these include business people, educational professionals, chartered accountants, sports development professionals and marketing specialists that are involved in the Rangers because we believe that we can add value to the wider game and bring new opportunities to the table to help the sport grow. Even as a lowly amateur club, our partners include Manchester City Council, Manchester Metropolitan university, the University of Manchester, the Manchester College, Eastlands Sports trust and many more. We also have the opportunity to further grow our relationship with Manchester City FC, but this is being held back due to the RFL not having a firm plan on who or what the Manchester team should look like. We have a secure base in the 6,500 capacity Manchester Regional Arena and our landlord wants us there. We also have options in the future to play at other local venues if the club was to ever outgrow the Regional arena. We've started to develop sustainable junior rugby in the city and to say that there are some gems coming through would be an understatement! I could go on for hours.....

We also have the one thing that pretty much every sports fan wants, we are actually positioned in a major city and this means that visiting fans can make a day of it or even a weekend away when they come to visit us and also not have to worry about how they get to the ground, as we have a dedicated metrolink station 100 yards away, we are easily accessible by public transport, there's plenty of parking and for those who like a walk, we are only a 10-15 minutes to the heart of Manchester City centre.

As for money, that really isn't an issue. We spend as much as or possibly more on our club and community programme than some League 1 clubs and still make a small profit each year. Contrary to popular belief, we receive zero funding from the RFL to run the club, so just imagine what we would do if we were given a pro license!

 

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How can Hemel,Oxford etc be classed as a better option than Manchester?.

Even if half the statements are true about Manchester,they look to have a lot more going for them than some of the local heartland teams.

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Thanks for that insight. Very interesting. Are you in a position to apply for NCL until there is room for you in the Pro Game? 

The goings on at the likes of Oxford, All Golds & Hemel may may room for your proposed entry It's a shame that you have to wait for others demise for you to progress but that's the current situation

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2 minutes ago, bamfordsbeans said:

How can Hemel,Oxford etc be classed as a better option than Manchester?.

Even if half the statements are true about Manchester,they look to have a lot more going for them than some of the local heartland teams.

I think them being existing members of the RFL will give them the advantage of maintaining a status quo. 

I don't agree that they offer anymore than a Rangers side. But there's always an advantage of already being in a "club" than trying to get in it

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bitterly disappointed that Manchester have been knocked back,

the population of southern Lancashire/Greater Manchester/Merseyside must be 5 million plus,

how can there not be room for new club from this area, I am puzzled by the RFL decision,

get Barry Hearn involved, we need someone new with fresh ideas,

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16 minutes ago, Amber Avenger said:

He's been asked before and said he isn't interested in getting involved in RL

ok,  I didn't know that,

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26 minutes ago, Amber Avenger said:

He's been asked before and said he isn't interested in getting involved in RL

What about Eddie Heard? Maybe Luke Campbell can have a word in his ear...

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Quality post from Phil Fitton,in keeping with the quality of work involving the youngsters and the publicity given to the sport and the club.

I can only think that the long-standing 'M62 corridor' geographical position is holding Manchester Rangers back.

NOT having another rugby league club within 20 miles was on the Super League Licensing criteria some years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–11_Super_League_licences

There are rugby league clubs,from the Greater Manchester area in Super League and The Championship - though not League 1

I can only wish you good luck,and hope the sport doesn't lose good people and good young players.

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Can imagine a scenario where a league one club pulls out a day before next season starts and the rfl are then a team short. Pathetic not to let in a club who have so much to offer the sport. 

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2 hours ago, Amber Avenger said:

He's been asked before and said he isn't interested in getting involved in RL

For which we can all be thankful.

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8 hours ago, bowes said:

I think someone needs to buy up Swinton and then move them to Manchester 

Swinton are a joke and should merge with Manchester.

How can there be no room for expansion when league1 has 16 teams? 

To have 3 leagues of 14 you will need 42 clubs we have 40 clubs...

 

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The point of magic was allegedly about legacy after the event.

Here we have a clear legacy project after magic being at the ethiad.  

So is magic about legacy or are we being misled?

Are there minimum standards or are we being misled?

Again, I dont see how Tolouse and Toronto can be admitted on the premise that they are self funding if the same cant apply to Manchester?

THE biggest games in RL are held at OT.  Surely Manchester needs another club who can take the game forward in the city!

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4 hours ago, Phil Fitton said:

We also have the opportunity to further grow our relationship with Manchester City FC, but this is being held back due to the RFL not having a firm plan on who or what the Manchester team should look like.

I think this bit might get underestimated.

Fulham were initially hugely successful as they could co-brand with the soccer club.  Selling a brand is as much about using sales existing channels as it is a product.  

You having the existing Cityzens customer base to instantly promote to.

I live in North Manchester and being a Salfordian my family is firmly united fans.

But the presence of Manchester City is massive in the local community.

Down to work done in schools and other community projects.

Our house has cooking books, text books and aprons all from Manchester City via the schools.

Any Rugby League attached to this brand would get an enormous opportunity to embed itself into the local community.

 

 

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On 18/8/2017 at 7:57 PM, TheLegendOfTexEvans said:

I think this bit might get underestimated.

Fulham were initially hugely successful as they could co-brand with the soccer club.  Selling a brand is as much about using sales existing channels as it is a product.  

You having the existing Cityzens customer base to instantly promote to.

I live in North Manchester and being a Salfordian my family is firmly united fans.

But the presence of Manchester City is massive in the local community.

Down to work done in schools and other community projects.

Our house has cooking books, text books and aprons all from Manchester City via the schools.

Any Rugby League attached to this brand would get an enormous opportunity to embed itself into the local community.

 

 

How is the amateur side doing at the moment? 

When do they play next?

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8 hours ago, Bob8 said:

How is the amateur side doing at the moment? 

When do they play next?

Good question.

If you remember the article in Rugby League World.

The club said the area it got most criticism from was a poor performance in 2016 in the North West Mens League.

The club defended that by saying if they went semi-professional it would have greater control on players.  That the off field operation was the important bit to get right.  But they still wanted to address it.

But they have

brought in extra experience in Bob Marsden on the coaching staff as well as upgrading the training facilities to use Platt Lane.

Results have been radically better.   In the last game they beat a leigh east team which had quite a lot of conference experience.  12 months ago i would not see them winning that game.

If you check the table below.

 

  P W L D PF PA DIFF BNS PTS
1 Rochdale Mayfield A 14 11 3 0 409 152 257 0 22
2 Widnes Tigers 13 10 3 0 386 252 134 0 20
3 Manchester Rangers RLFC 13 10 3 0 368 238 130 0 20
4 Chorley Panthers 14 9 5 0 353 288 65 0 18
5 Wigan St Judes A 14 8 6 0 358 356 2 0 16
6 Bury Broncos 15 5 10 0 268 436 -168 0 10
7 Leigh East A 15 5 10 0 258 418 -160 0 9
8 Leyland Warriors 14 4 10 0 308 382 -74 0 8
9 Bank Quay Bulls 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10 Bold Miners 14 1 13 0 172 358 -186 0

-6

 

 

The second question they have three remaining games all at the regional arena.  Next one is on friday night.

Fixtures

 

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Brilliant news, all the best for your foray into the professional world.  An eventual Manchester/Salford rivalry will be a great headline generator and spectacle for the sport.

Of course, some on here will tell you that you're too near to the M62 to be allowed to play the sport.

Hope to see you at Post Office Road in the not too distant future.

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2 minutes ago, David Shepherd said:

Brilliant news, all the best for your foray into the professional world.  An eventual Manchester/Salford rivalry will be a great headline generator and spectacle for the sport.

Of course, some on here will tell you that you're too near to the M62 to be allowed to play the sport.

Hope to see you at Post Office Road in the not too distant future.

It works better in greater manchester that way certainly.

I dont see united thinking they get less attention because we have manchester city.

Love post office road and how they took the stand from scarborough.

Is that the stans from the ground the pirates played at?

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Hemel are staying,, although they have low crowds they are one of the most profitable clubs around. Open 7days a week in the small bar,  function room always booked Friday n Saturdays. Own there ground. Employs 2 full time community coaches. Have minis,  juniors in all ages,  two open age community teams. Plus a lottery of 1800people paying a £1 a week prizes paid each week totaling £650.With no sugar daddy they live with in there means. They have been around over 30years. No court orders at this club. 

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